Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[PS]

if Constantine was making sunday a sabbath then he wouldn't have stipulated that people outside of cities could go on doing whatever daily work they needed to do.
if this was a sabbath being declared, it would be unlawful for farmers to work.

Incorrect. People had always worked lawfully on either day, and Jesus showed the way by breaking Jewish law and 'working' on the Jewish Sabbath.

 

[posthuman]

Incorrect. People had always worked lawfully on either day, and Jesus showed the way by breaking Jewish law and 'working' on the Jewish Sabbath.

That decree excluded anyone outside of a city.

Leviticus 23:3
'There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a sabbath to the LORD.

This decree does not exclude anyone outside of a city.

 

[wokinluv]

My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, for man’s anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires. Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you. Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does. If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless. Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. James 1:19-27

 

[wokinluv]

My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, for man’s anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires. Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you. Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does. If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless. Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. James 1:19-27

Is it an Amen or not?

 

[PS]

That decree excluded anyone outside of a city.

Leviticus 23:3
'There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a sabbath to the LORD.

This decree does not exclude anyone outside of a city.

The Jews were given a New Covenant, and for you or anyone else to ignore it puts you disobediently OUTSIDE Gods will.

 

[Grandpa]

Is it an Amen or not?

Amen the Word.

But amen your understanding of it? MMMMmmmmm…….

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

What do you think that perfect law that gives freedom is??

I have a feeling you don't know. But let me guess. You will post a bunch of scripture that is entirely off topic?

 

[Whispered]

if Constantine was making sunday a sabbath then he wouldn't have stipulated that people outside of cities could go on doing whatever daily work they needed to do.




if this was a sabbath being declared, it would be unlawful for farmers to work.

That first quote you have there was not my statement. It is an incomplete cut of the discussion I was having with Grandpa. That sounds weird to say, as if my grandpa and I...

692 Lex Constantini a. 321 (Cod. Just. l. iii., Tit. 12, 3): Imperator Constantinus Aug. Helpidio: "Omnes judices, urbanaeque plebes et cunctarum artium officia venerabili die Solis quiescant. Ruri tamen positi agrorum culturae libere licenterque inserviant, quoniam frequenter evenit, ut non aptius alio die frumenta sulcis aut vineae scrobibus mandentur, ne occasione momenti pereat commoditas coelesti provisione concessa. Dat. Non. Mart. Crispo ii. et Constantino ii. Coss." In English: "On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost. (Given the 7th day of March, Crispus and Constantine being consuls each of them for the second time.)" The prohibition of military exercises is mentioned by Eusebius, Vita Const. IV. 19, 20, and seems to refer to a somewhat later period. In this point Constantine was in advance of modern Christian princes, who prefer Sunday for parades.

http://www.bible.ca/history/philip-schaff/3_ch07.htm

 

[Whispered]

it may be somehow related to that, the fiercest persecution and the prevalent false teaching of the early church came from Judaism, both those who wished to destroy believers and those who wished to convert them to false beliefs. Paul does call them 'enemies for your sake regarding the gospel', Romans ((lol?)) 11:28
one can see how carnal minds could potentially twist that.

Perhaps. Saul was in the the process of continuing to seek out apostate Jews so as to put them to death for converting to the way of Christ when he had his epiphany on the Damascus road.
He'd even held the Apostle Stephen's cloak while Stephen was stoned to death.
I can't imagine witnessing that brutality and then going forward to make it occur again and again as punishment for turning from Judaism.

 

[Grandpa]

That first quote you have there was not my statement. It is an incomplete cut of the discussion I was having with Grandpa. That sounds weird to say, as if my grandpa and I...

692 Lex Constantini a. 321 (Cod. Just. l. iii., Tit. 12, 3): Imperator Constantinus Aug. Helpidio: "Omnes judices, urbanaeque plebes et cunctarum artium officia venerabili die Solis quiescant. Ruri tamen positi agrorum culturae libere licenterque inserviant, quoniam frequenter evenit, ut non aptius alio die frumenta sulcis aut vineae scrobibus mandentur, ne occasione momenti pereat commoditas coelesti provisione concessa. Dat. Non. Mart. Crispo ii. et Constantino ii. Coss." In English: "On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost. (Given the 7th day of March, Crispus and Constantine being consuls each of them for the second time.)" The prohibition of military exercises is mentioned by Eusebius, Vita Const. IV. 19, 20, and seems to refer to a somewhat later period. In this point Constantine was in advance of modern Christian princes, who prefer Sunday for parades.

http://www.bible.ca/history/philip-schaff/3_ch07.htm

Yeah, sorry about that. A lot of people have a hard time calling me Grandpa when I am not their Grandpa...

I didn't mean that I was everyone's Grandpa when I made the screen name.

I was a pretty new Grandpa when I first started posting here and it seemed like it fit at the time.

I was really super close with my Grandpa so I understand the stigma associated with calling someone you don't even know Grandpa.


ON that note... You should listen to Grandpa...

 

[Whispered]

Yeah, sorry about that. A lot of people have a hard time calling me Grandpa when I am not their Grandpa...

I didn't mean that I was everyone's Grandpa when I made the screen name.

I was a pretty new Grandpa when I first started posting here and it seemed like it fit at the time.

I was really super close with my Grandpa so I understand the stigma associated with calling someone you don't even know Grandpa.


ON that note... You should listen to Grandpa...

We'll just go with "G" to make it impersonal. Gramps wouldn't even make it because that's what I called my maternal grandfather.

 

[Grandpa]

We'll just go with "G" to make it impersonal. Gramps wouldn't even make it because that's what I called my maternal grandfather.

Me too. I called my grandpa, Gramps.

I don't think it is possible to really be upset or disagree with your Grandpa.

I don't remember EVER being mad at my Grandpa or disagreeing with ANYTHING he said...

Which is really weird for me... I used to get mad at everyone for silly reasons...

 

[Grandpa]

I probably should have chosen some other screen name...

 

[Whispered]

Me too. I called my grandpa, Gramps.

I don't think it is possible to really be upset or disagree with your Grandpa.

I don't remember EVER being mad at my Grandpa or disagreeing with ANYTHING he said...

Which is really weird for me... I used to get mad at everyone for silly reasons...

My maternal Gramps was the best. The paternal, not so much.
I just looked at the lower case spelling of , gramps, and thought how easy it would be to transpose a letter and read, cramps, instead.
I'm so glad I didn't think of that when he was alive.

 

[Whispered]

I probably should have chosen some other screen name...

I bet right now at this very moment you're running different possible new names through your head .

 

[Whispered]

I was. But they got erased because I hit a button on accident and couldn't bring it back up.

When I finished I saw it would probably be a big argument about eschatology. I don't really get involved with eschatology because I think everyone is wrong. I haven't seen any eschatology that I thought was even very close to what I believe.


Basically what it boils down to is this.

There are NOT 2 covenants. There is 1 Covenant. The New Covenant that the Lord Jesus Christ has instituted. If ANYONE wants to be a part of this 1 Covenant with God they MUST go through the Lord Jesus Christ.

All the promises of God belong to this 1 Covenant. NOT to ANY Covenants before this New Covenant instituted by the Lord Jesus Christ.

The previous Covenant was broken by the Hebrew people. They were given the New Covenant but they apparently didn't want it. So it was given to the rest of the world.

Galatians 3:16-18
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Lord knows that's happened to me a time or two. The frustration especially after putting lots of work into a post and then one mistake on the keys and its gone. Though it can sometimes be retrieved by hitting CTRL key and X , or is it Z? , to bring it back up. Some sites save a post as you're writing it too.
I don't ever seem to happen on those sites when that happens to me.

You know there are many covenants in the Bible, right? Not just two? And God was Jesus, Jesus was God, so when the Old Testament Covenant was made it was made by the same power and authority as appeared as Jesus later in the New Covenant. The New Covenant confirmed the fulfillment of the prophesied Messiah in the Old Testament.

 

[posthuman]

Me too. I called my grandpa, Gramps.

Opa or Abuelo, here. So 'grandpa' isn't confusing for me, and i think it's a good name

 

[Yahshua]

• i thought the question of whether we are under the law had been completely resolved if not at then by the time i finished making my first post in this thread, quoting Jesus saying "new" and the letter to the Hebrews saying "by saying 'new'"
• i'm not sure i saw the name badge table on my way in . . . ?
• i haven't read all of the thread & hopped in midway to quote Christ and the epistle to the Hebrews, which, as i've said, in my mind wholly settles the thread title/OP question. i think that over a few hundred pages a variety of topics have come up, and i consider scripture mathematically described as a connected graph, which is to say, every bit of it has relationship of various complexity to every other bit of it. so, no, i don't think 'the context' of the thread has always been the law; even the thread title is a question embedded in a greater context. the context, in the largest sense, is Christ - and the sum of Him is greater than the sum of the law.
• condemnation? that's its antithesis.
• "do nothing in the law" ? someone really says that? "not under the law" is not equivalent to "completely antithetical to everything in the law"

Lol Gosh. All of this.

...Sometimes I think you just go through such lengths to avoid saying "that's what you meant? Oh ok my bad."

 

[Yahshua]

I read this three times and am still confused.

Sorry I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Whispered]

Nobody altered the sabbath day. The sabbath day is not able to be altered. Its in the law. 7th day. Saturday.

What was altered is the day that Christians come together and worship and preach. That was Sunday. The day the Lord Resurrected.

And because Constantine was a Christian he made it a law that everyone would rest on that day.

Its not really hard to follow this.

As the prior scripture shows us, Christ did not resurrect on Sunday.
The traditional Sabbath day was altered if Constantine established a day of rest, as has been presented in other posts with evidences that he did. From Saturday unto Sunday.
It doesn't matter that early Christians may have worshiped God on Sunday prior to Constantine's decree. What makes the Sabbath holy is what God decreed as the Sabbath day to honor him and rest in him , taking time from the world.
Man's ways do not supersede God's will for us.
I wouldn't think that is hard to follow.

 

[Yahshua]

It is important to notice that Jesus did not say that the law would never pass away. He said it would not pass away till all was fulfilled

Interesting direction we haven't explored yet (or maybe I just haven't been witness to it in this thread yet)...

Has all of The Torah been fulfilled?