Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.”
Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”
(Luke 19:8-10)
oh look, a man having faith before Pentecost, and receiving salvation that very day _____________
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then maybe you don't have to be filled with the Spirit speaking tongues to have - present tense - salvation.
moreover -- as Jesus says in Matthew 21:31 that prostitutes and tax collectors are already entering the kingdom of God long before Pentecost, and in John 3:3 the same Jesus says no one can even see the kingdom of God without being reborn, maybe you don't have to be filled with the Spirit speaking in tongues to be born again.
you said more than that.
clearly the verse explicitly says this faith does not void the law.
you also said, this verse doesn't say faith establishes the law.
what the verse explicitly says is that "we uphold the law" -- Paul mentions faith like 20 times in the nearest 30 verses, even in the very same verse 31, talking about all the other things that are true about the "we" here in "we uphold the law"
in the next 30 verses on either side of those all about faith, he makes sharp contrasts between faith and the law. the "we" here that we're talking about are doing the things they do, living the life they live, receiving the grace they receive and having the salvation they are given by faith. explicitly, by faith, not by works, and this is polar opposite of having or receiving or doing any of these things by, through or because of the law.
"we uphold the law" by faith, not by the works or work of the law.
i don't think EG is misunderstanding the verse.
do you think i am?
clearly the verse explicitly says this faith does not void the law.
you also said, this verse doesn't say faith establishes the law.
what the verse explicitly says is that "we uphold the law" -- Paul mentions faith like 20 times in the nearest 30 verses, even in the very same verse 31, talking about all the other things that are true about the "we" here in "we uphold the law"
in the next 30 verses on either side of those all about faith, he makes sharp contrasts between faith and the law. the "we" here that we're talking about are doing the things they do, living the life they live, receiving the grace they receive and having the salvation they are given by faith. explicitly, by faith, not by works, and this is polar opposite of having or receiving or doing any of these things by, through or because of the law.
"we uphold the law" by faith, not by the works or work of the law.
i don't think EG is misunderstanding the verse.
do you think i am?
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Try this Hebrews 10
10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
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You have to be filled with the Spirit
Romans 8
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
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if Moses only had a promise of salvation, not salvation, how did he appear in the promised land after God had told him that for his sin in unbelief, he would not set foot in it? This happens in Luke 9, and Christ isn't crucified until Luke 23.
how were Davids sins "removed" when his firstborn died?
how were Enoch and Elijah taken up?
how were Davids sins "removed" when his firstborn died?
how were Enoch and Elijah taken up?