Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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As the Word and Spirit have given me

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets I am not come to destroy (the law) but to fulfil (the prophecies written of Jesus within the first 5 books of the bible called "the law")

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

NOT TO DESTROY THE LAW OR THE PROPHETS, BUT COME TO FULFILL THE PROPHECIES WRITTEN WITH IN THEM


EVERYTHING written in the Law given to Moses will always be part of that law. That said, being a part of that law, doesn't mean it can never be a part of another law, a better law, a lighter free-er law.

I have seen it explained as "till all the law be fulfilled" but that makes no sense as Jesus as some law can only be "obeyed", it can't be fulfilled as prophecy is fulfilled, not obeyed.

Luke 24:44 And He said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses and in the prophets and in the psalms, concerning me.

JESUS ONLY HAD TO FULFILL THE THINGS WRITTEN CONCERNING HIM, AND THE THINGS CONCERNING HIM, WERE WRITTEN

The Old Testament was divided into the three divisions of "the law, the prophets, and the psalms".

JESUS DID NOT HAVE TO FULFILL ANYTHING WRITTEN THAT WAS NOT PROPHECY CONCERNING HIM, HE STILL HAD TO OBEY THE LAW IN ITS INTENDED PURPOSE, WITH LOVE.

Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day
Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.


WHAT IS THE MESSAGE FROM JESUS "REPENTANCE AND REMISSION OF SIN" no more bondage to sin and death, no more curse, no more break one break all, AND death. HIS BLOOD SHED, NEW COVENANT, REPENT, HAVE YOUR SIN TAKEN AWAY, BE WASHED CLEAN,

how many times did God tell us to forgive in one day? how many times are we to ask for forgiveness? "GIVE US THIS DAY OUR DAILY BREAD AND FORGIVE US...." FOR LIFE.

I have heard it explained other ways but through study and prayer it was given me

The commandments God wrote on the tablets of stone are now written upon our hearts and minds and doesn't matter if they were ever a part of the law of Moses, the commands of God are eternal, natural for a holy society.

I have heard, "law of Moses" was" one and can not be divided" and as such.....I gotta tell you, I have no idea what that is really all about. I have an idea it "must" be put forth that way to support some "theory". I am not saying is does or doesn't I am saying it doesn't matter if it was one or not, It has become null and void as it "was", and has been rendered to us in its new form.

The New Covenant only "contains" PARTS of the old. God took away parts that were against us. Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies for that time that had been written in them. Jesus gave us more intense commands because now it is not only physical, it is emotional and mental as well.

For me the logic of some "explanations" is just.....NON SEQUITUR - latin "it does not follow" "a statement that does not follow logically from what has gone on before".

Not all explanations make it as Gods truth. And when you read something and scratch you head and think "that doesn't make sense" it probably doesn't, except possibly to someone using it to "support" something else.


If it is through faith in Jesus you have received the gifts including salvation, and through His blood shed, as the Lamb of God we can now, without any ceremony or an animal sacrifice, or any man priest, or a special day, prayerfully repent for our sin, then He is faithful to forgive us and washed clean are now free to walk right into the holy of holies and talk to Our Father. Jesus paid an awesome price to set us free from all the parts of the law that bound us to death. We now find life with Jesus as our High Priest. living as best we can under Grace. Never again will we be bound to sin and death. Jesus defeated death. Oh death where is thy sting? Gone, baby Gone.
Judaism is a works based religion, and therefore a false religion.

Moses broke the law big time, and by so doing is condemned.
 

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I already acknowledged that salvation is not the purpose of the Law.
Does it ever feel like you are going back and forth with a couple programed responses no matter what you say? Does it feel like you never get anywhere past right where you started? If so, know you are not alone
 

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Judaism is a works based religion, and therefore a false religion.

Moses broke the law big time, and by so doing is condemned.
Did you miss the entire part where Jesus went back to all those who died under the law and offered grace? Yes, you did. Do you not believe in the power of repentance and forgiveness? If you do, why do you judge and condemn Gods servants? Do you not believe the same commands apply to you as they do everyone else? Do you not believe Jesus conquered death?
 

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Judaism is a works based religion, and therefore a false religion.
I know the Bible. I do not know anything more of "Judaism" than what is found in there. If the Bible is Judaism then it is not a works based religion. Just because you don't want to work doesn't mean God doesn't want you to.
 

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Does it ever feel like you are going back and forth with a couple programed responses no matter what you say? Does it feel like you never get anywhere past right where you started? If so, know you are not alone
You are not alone Ann, there are millions in the same boat that is being sunk by error seeping in between the planks of truth. If you follow my advice, you will bail out the old and repair the boat by pursuing the bottom three scriptures in your signature. Pray the Lord to help you. :)
 

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Did you miss the entire part where Jesus went back to all those who died under the law and offered grace? Yes, you did. Do you not believe in the power of repentance and forgiveness? If you do, why do you judge and condemn Gods servants? Do you not believe the same commands apply to you as they do everyone else? Do you not believe Jesus conquered death?
We need to repent of our sin while we yet live.

Moses believed in God and providing he believed in the I AM that is sufficient. According to Hebrews, he did. Fear not.
 

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I know the Bible. I do not know anything more of "Judaism" than what is found in there. If the Bible is Judaism then it is not a works based religion. Just because you don't want to work doesn't mean God doesn't want you to.
I said JUDAISM is a works based religion. Please concentrate. The Bible as a whole tells of the grace of God who overcame all things.
 
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What tense is this judgement by the Law? Past, present or future?

Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
 

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What tense is this judgement by the Law? Past, present or future?

Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
For all time if they have not accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour and been redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb.

Verse 13 appears to be a get-out-clause, but as all have sinned in the sight of God that is impossible. I feel really sorry for those who live under the Law and have not experienced the loving grace of Jesus Christ that extends to all.
 
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These are all Paul`s words, his doctrine and teaching. Your arguments against this does not hold up, hence, strawman.

Romans 13:8
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Romans 13:10
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Yep,

But This is not saying we should work at the law, this again how we obey, through loving others more than ourselves. They law does. It teach this.
 
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the converse of 'faith nullifying the law' is 'faith establishing the law' isn't it?
He does not comprehend that the law leads us to faith, which was its intended purpose, so when you come to faith in christ, you establish the law, or make it stand (true)
 
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Does it ever feel like you are going back and forth with a couple programed responses no matter what you say? Does it feel like you never get anywhere past right where you started? If so, know you are not alone
Thx. I appriciate that. I declared multiple times that I know the Law was never a salvation but I still got treated like I want us all to move to Israel and put on one of those little hats.
 

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He does not comprehend that the law leads us to faith, which was its intended purpose, so when you come to faith in christ, you establish the law, or make it stand (true)
When I gave my life to Christ as a child, I knew nothing of the law except I was a sinner. I suppose that sums up the law.