Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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DeighAnn

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I guess whatever explanation works to justify our continued work at the law.
We can't work at the law of Moses because it expired. That dispensation has passed. That law was replaced by the New Covenant. We are living in the dispensation of Grace.

Hebrews 6:19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil

Hebrews 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Hebrews 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

Hebrews 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Hebrews 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Romans 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Romans 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

John 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever but the Son abideth ever.


Law of Moses it was by what a man "did" whether there was fruit produced by God, but under the new faith in Jesus, being rooted in Him, is what bears fruit.
 

Grandpa

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Remarks like this are the reason I have little interest in having a conversation with you. False accusation and insults seems to be the only thing you`re good at. And you consider yourself the real Christian? WoW!

Only thing I said was that Jesus failed in His personal desire to fulfill all the promises prophesied to Israel and that the direct cause of this was Israels failure to be converted. I also posted scripture supporting my view.

The New Covenant is the contract that will govern the world in the age to come. All these are facts from your Bible. I guess it conflicts with your replacement theology.
Like I said, I don't understand why legalists and judaizers can't just be honest in what they believe. If you are ashamed of it then its probably not all that great to begin with.

Then to say silly things like "falsely accused" and "foul, amateurish replacement for real debate and dialogue" when you KNOW that is what you said actually makes YOU the false accuser. Doesn't it??


Its funny how Judaizers like to throw out that term replacement theology. Its just like the term anti-Semite. Its designed to place someone on the defensive and in the wrong automatically.

But what you really mean by replacement theology is me saying that the Lord Jesus Christ DID NOT FAIL.

Well, the Lord DID NOT FAIL. Sorry to inform you of this sad piece of information for you. The Lord fulfilled everything He came to fulfill. It is just YOUR LACK OF FAITH that is holding you back from seeing this.


Its probably easier to accuse someone of being a false accuser than actually having a conversation that would show that certain theology is ANTI-CHRIST and ANTI-FAITH.
 

Grandpa

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We can't work at the law of Moses because it expired. That dispensation has passed. That law was replaced by the New Covenant. We are living in the dispensation of Grace.

Hebrews 6:19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil

Hebrews 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Hebrews 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

Hebrews 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Hebrews 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Romans 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Romans 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

John 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever but the Son abideth ever.


Law of Moses it was by what a man "did" whether there was fruit produced by God, but under the new faith in Jesus, being rooted in Him, is what bears fruit.
It hasn't expired. It will never expire.

It was written on stone. It was designed to bring people to Christ.

As long as there are still people who HAVE NOT COME to Christ it will stand to do its work.
 

DeighAnn

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That doesn't make any sense.

You said that when grace is rejected the letter of the law is there to condemn them. But when the Spirit of Grace is there there is no need for the letter because the letter is upon their hearts???

Since it is the letter of the law that condemns how can it be that same letter that is written on the heart? There would be no way to not be condemned if what condemns you is written on your heart.

I wonder why you can't comprehend this.
Because Jesus sets us free
 

DeighAnn

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It hasn't expired. It will never expire.

It was written on stone. It was designed to bring people to Christ.

As long as there are still people who HAVE NOT COME to Christ it will stand to do its work.
You will have to discuss this with the Lord Jesus Christ and explain to Him why you chose to keep the law of Moses, the Old Covenant and not get with the New Covenant of Grace that He died to bring you. Only by His blood shed was it to be sealed.
 

RickStudies

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Like I said, I don't understand why legalists and judaizers can't just be honest in what they believe. If you are ashamed of it then its probably not all that great to begin with.

Then to say silly things like "falsely accused" and "foul, amateurish replacement for real debate and dialogue" when you KNOW that is what you said actually makes YOU the false accuser. Doesn't it??


Its funny how Judaizers like to throw out that term replacement theology. Its just like the term anti-Semite. Its designed to place someone on the defensive and in the wrong automatically.

But what you really mean by replacement theology is me saying that the Lord Jesus Christ DID NOT FAIL.

Well, the Lord DID NOT FAIL. Sorry to inform you of this sad piece of information for you. The Lord fulfilled everything He came to fulfill. It is just YOUR LACK OF FAITH that is holding you back from seeing this.


Its probably easier to accuse someone of being a false accuser than actually having a conversation that would show that certain theology is ANTI-CHRIST and ANTI-FAITH.
It`s impossible to have a conversation with you. You can`t stick to the facts of scripture because you have to name call, false accuse and use your childish amateur hour tactics. I consider you a bad joke. Serious Bible students won`t waste their time on someone like you.
 

Grandpa

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Because Jesus sets us free
Free from condemnation?

How does the Lord set you free from condemnation if condemnation is written on your heart?

Does it magically become freedom because those who justify their work at the 10 commandments say so???

No, it does not. The Letter, no matter WHERE it is written, is unto death.

The Spirit, no matter where HE is written, is unto Life.


The Letter is not the Spirit.

And the Spirit is not the Letter.
 

Grandpa

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You will have to discuss this with the Lord Jesus Christ and explain to Him why you chose to keep the law of Moses, the Old Covenant and not get with the New Covenant of Grace that He died to bring you. Only by His blood shed was it to be sealed.
I already had that discussion with Him.

Now it is your turn.

And all your legalist friends.
 
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That doesn't make any sense.

You said that when grace is rejected the letter of the law is there to condemn them. But when the Spirit of Grace is there there is no need for the letter because the letter is upon their hearts???

Since it is the letter of the law that condemns how can it be that same letter that is written on the heart? There would be no way to not be condemned if what condemns you is written on your heart.

I wonder why you can't comprehend this.

Since you asked, there has always been two phrases, even in the current worlds way of explaining things. There's first:

The letter of the law:



Definition of 'the letter of the law'
the letter of the lawCOBUILD idiom
the letter of the law
phrase [preposition PHRASE, PHRASE after verb]
If you say that someone keeps to the letter of the law , you mean that they act according to what is actually written in the law, rather than according to the general principles of it, especially when you disapprove of this.
They had stuck to the letter of the law and in my view they should be ashamed.

The Spirit of the Law:

the spirit of the law
noun phrase

Definition of the spirit of the law: the aim or purpose of a law when it was written

They seem to be more concerned with obeying the letter of the law than with understanding the spirit of the law.

When the Holy Spirit gives a man a "revelation" about something, that man may be determined to share that "revelation" with another man. When he translates the revelation into words, either speech or written words the "spirit" of that revelation may or may not convey with them. It is the "Spirit" of the words that gives them meaning, not the letter.

The letter of the law is a distinct entity from the spirit of the law. 2. The letter of the law is what the law states; the spirit of the law is the moral, apiritual consensus of the interpretation of the letter.
 
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Jesus was sad when He made this statement. I posted this passage before so I repeat myself again.


37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Yes I know that

But jesus did not fail. In fact it was prophesied that very thing would happen. That Israel would reject and God would turn to the gentiles.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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What I am saying is I have never said anything to oppose this " not one jot or tittle would pass from the law until all is fulfilled". As a matter of fact I have said "not a jot or tittle can change BECAUSE that would be adding to or taking away and would be changing the Word of God".
Yes, And we would agree.
 

Grandpa

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It`s impossible to have a conversation with you. You can`t stick to the facts of scripture because you have to name call, false accuse and use your childish amateur hour tactics. I consider you a bad joke. Serious Bible students won`t waste their time on someone like you.
I do stick to the facts.

You are the one who said I was a false accuser.

And then you have shown, by your own words, that I WASN'T a false accuser.

And yet you keep saying I am a false accuser. This seems worse than childish amateur hour tactics.


Serious bible students would rather listen to someone tell them that the Lord Jesus Christ failed?

Then I guess you are right. They wouldn't like me AT ALL.
 

Lightskin

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here you go d but I am sure you will "explain" to me what it really means

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Hebrews 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses

Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Hebrews 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

Hebrews 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Hebrews 10:32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;

Hebrews 10:33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.

Hebrews 10:34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.

Hebrews 10:35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.

Hebrews 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
All of it pertains to people who did not and do not have faith in Jesus Christ.
 

DeighAnn

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Free from condemnation?

How does the Lord set you free from condemnation if condemnation is written on your heart?

Does it magically become freedom because those who justify their work at the 10 commandments say so???

No, it does not. The Letter, no matter WHERE it is written, is unto death.

The Spirit, no matter where HE is written, is unto Life.


The Letter is not the Spirit.

And the Spirit is not the Letter.
What condemns? Who sets you free through forgiveness?
 

DeighAnn

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All of it pertains to people who did not and do not have faith in Jesus Christ.
Ahh, Once saved always saved, deceived into "thinking or believing" you are/were or put another way salvation lost, yet not deceived.
 

RickStudies

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Yes I know that

But jesus did not fail. In fact it was prophesied that very thing would happen. That Israel would reject and God would turn to the gentiles.
It`s a term that you are hung up on. The true desires of Jesus, the will of Jesus was not fulfilled by His life. He wanted to save Israel and it hurt Him that He did not.

Different issue then the one you raise here in which you reference God`s secret plan of salvation.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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RickStudies said:
Go pet a wild lion then.
Do you mean the Lion of Judah?
Is this the passage that came to your mind?

"The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord."