Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[7seasrekeyed]

You’re welcome, beloved. You have great wisdom to put some folks on ignore. I don’t have anyone on ignore yet. Key word YET. 😊

meh

I just put someone on ignore...a basically new person...one of those 'I am a prophet type' that speaks in riddles and uses scritpure to put you in your place (or so they think)

I would not call it wisdom though

I would call it...'you turn my stomach with your hypocrisy and I don't wanna see your face even by accident'

religion, no Holy Spirit, really does stink

 

[Lightskin]

Its not that they refuse. They just have no way to understand what you are saying.

When Paul asks "Are you so foolish? Having started in the Spirit are you perfected by the flesh?"


Their answer is yes. Because they don't know anything about the Spirit. It is obvious because they post all these scriptures about commandments and obedience but not a whisper about HOW it is done. If any of them knew HOW it is done there would be no arguments between us. But they think we obey the same way as the Jews did, by their work at the law. No other thoughts are even coming to them. Some of them, a good percentage, are even saying that their work at the law is spiritual. That a person can't even work at the law unless they are spiritual.

I think a big problem is elevating the Jewish people above everyone else in the Christian community. You have so many Christians attempting to emulate the things they like in the Jewish traditions there is almost no way that their errors will not bleed over into Christianity. You don't ever hear about the inherent danger to the Christian in attempting to emulate physical Jewish traditions. I think its because it is easy to have a CARNAL understanding of what is taught in the bible but very difficult to have a SPIRITUAL understanding of what is taught in the bible.


Anyone who shows the understanding that you do has a Spiritual understanding. This can only come from God.

It amazes me how so many can read the bible and NEVER come to this understanding. Ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth.

I love John 9, the story of the blind man receiving sight. It shows the cosmic differences between having faith in Jesus and having faith in oneself.

 

[SimpleGardner]

An abider of the law failing to abide in the law of love. How apropos.

Love can be tough...If you look for it, there are instructions in there, not petty slandering and malice.

The gig is up ls, you, the "gang" and company are being "seen" more and more for who they aren't and definitely for who they are.

Fortunately we have the benchmarks of behavior that Yahshua gave us, that even Paul cites in order to root out from among us vile and carnal men who masquerade as something they are not. Sadly the mask "the gang" wears is no more than lipstick on a pig which fails to cover their true identity.

A sincere reading of the epistles to the Colossians over and over could provide a glimpse of a mans true carnality in order to begin self reflection.

SG

 

[NayborBear]

That does sound familiar

The law being the one to bring us to salvation

What is sad is people want to bring us back to pre-salvation, and not move forward with our walk

Y'all have been told time after time after time after time!
It's NOT ABOUT SALVATION!
It's ABOUT the PERFECTING/MATURING OF THE SPIRIT!
And yes? It's going to FEEL like one is NOT SAVED! But, THIS is how God "presses the buttons", in motivating, "ones He has CALLED!" In His hopeful endeavors of one becoming "ONE'S HE HAS CHOSEN!"
That being said? This "contract", if you will, ALWAYS comes with an "OPT OUT CLAUSE!" Meaning one can opt out at ANY TIME during these "EFFORTS" FOR "Spiritual Maturing!" WITHOUT JEOPARDIZING SALVATION!

There is NO SHAME for opting out early! NONE! Nor, CONDEMNATION either!

My question to you EG, and others like yourself (it apparently seems), WHY are you ALWAYS trying to SHAME those who have NOT chosen to "opt out" early?
To the point, and some 400+ pages in this thread alone. Not to mention countless other threads, where y'alls LOYALTIES really DO lie!

Instead of cheering these ones on? You mock and scoff, and strive in trying to pull the rug out from underneath 'em! And become madder and meaner in your "oppression", when STOOD UP to, and EXPOSED!
I dunno what "that" sounds like to you. But, it sounds a whole lot like "pride!" Trying to "save face!" Bitten off more then you can chew! IOW? Sounds more like "flesh", then Spirit!

 

[Lightskin]

meh

I just put someone on ignore...a basically new person...one of those 'I am a prophet type' that speaks in riddles and uses scritpure to put you in your place (or so they think)

I would not call it wisdom though

I would call it...'you turn my stomach with your hypocrisy and I don't wanna see your face even by accident'

religion, no Holy Spirit, really does stink

I was laughing with you the entire post because you’re spot on right. Then my laughing stopped with your last seven words. Again, because you’re spot on right. 😎

 

[Grandpa]

Kinda surprised you didn't end that spewing with "Nanny nanny boo boo"!

You better hope your parents don't find out you are on a site meant for sincere Christians! lol

Your behavior is giving your age away.

SG

Romans 10:2-4
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.


Is the goal of Christ to bring you to the Law?

Or is the goal of the Law to bring you to Christ?


You see, when you get it backwards you are NOT a sincere Christian. You are instead attempting to blend judaism with Christianity. They don't blend.

Christianity fulfills judaism. Judaism was the shadow. Christianity is the Light.


Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.


This is the goal, right? Judaism won't give that to you.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I was laughing with you the entire post because you’re spot on right. Then my laughing stopped with your last seven words. Again, because you’re spot on right. 😎

well I do like to add a twist of humor

helps the truth to go down easier...like sugar and medicine

isn't it hard to believe that over 2000 years later, people still want to hang medals on themselves for being so self righteously proud of their ability to be the only one who ever pleased God?

and yet Paul says you are accursed if you preach any other gospel but the one delivered ONCE AND FOR ALL

 

[NayborBear]

You have no faith in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Messiah, Lord of all creation and Savior of those who have faith in Him?

Well, I respect the fact that you at least admit you have no faith in Him. I’d love to talk more with you but obviously you have to go work for your salvation. Have a nice day.

I have no faith AT ALL in this one:
2 Thessalonians 2
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

No matter what "name" it chooses to call itself!
Fact is? It is my enemy!
As it should be yours as well!

 

[Lightskin]

Love can be tough...If you look for it, there are instructions in there, not petty slandering and malice.

I stand corrected. There’s no petty slandering or malice in the following:

“You better hope your parents don't find out you are on a site meant for sincere Christians! lol”

My bad 🤗

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Its not that they refuse. They just have no way to understand what you are saying.

When Paul asks "Are you so foolish? Having started in the Spirit are you perfected by the flesh?"


Their answer is yes. Because they don't know anything about the Spirit. It is obvious because they post all these scriptures about commandments and obedience but not a whisper about HOW it is done. If any of them knew HOW it is done there would be no arguments between us. But they think we obey the same way as the Jews did, by their work at the law. No other thoughts are even coming to them. Some of them, a good percentage, are even saying that their work at the law is spiritual. That a person can't even work at the law unless they are spiritual.

I think a big problem is elevating the Jewish people above everyone else in the Christian community. You have so many Christians attempting to emulate the things they like in the Jewish traditions there is almost no way that their errors will not bleed over into Christianity. You don't ever hear about the inherent danger to the Christian in attempting to emulate physical Jewish traditions. I think its because it is easy to have a CARNAL understanding of what is taught in the bible but very difficult to have a SPIRITUAL understanding of what is taught in the bible.


Anyone who shows the understanding that you do has a Spiritual understanding. This can only come from God.

It amazes me how so many can read the bible and NEVER come to this understanding. Ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth.

Whats worse, when you ask how it is done, they will not answer, or keep posting same verses over and over,

Its easy to see why they are that way, it sounds good, and it feeds our flesh,

But truth does not always sound good,

 

[Lightskin]

well I do like to add a twist of humor

helps the truth to go down easier...like sugar and medicine

isn't it hard to believe that over 2000 years later, people still want to hang medals on themselves for being so self righteously proud of their ability to be the only one who ever pleased God?

and yet Paul says you are accursed if you preach any other gospel but the one delivered ONCE AND FOR ALL

Don’t get me wrong, I love your entire post, and I love the fact that you often use humor. Don’t change a thing, my lady. 😎

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Y'all have been told time after time after time after time!
It's NOT ABOUT SALVATION!
It's ABOUT the PERFECTING/MATURING OF THE SPIRIT!
And yes? It's going to FEEL like one is NOT SAVED! But, THIS is how God "presses the buttons", in motivating, "ones He has CALLED!" In His hopeful endeavors of one becoming "ONE'S HE HAS CHOSEN!"
That being said? This "contract", if you will, ALWAYS comes with an "OPT OUT CLAUSE!" Meaning one can opt out at ANY TIME during these "EFFORTS" FOR "Spiritual Maturing!" WITHOUT JEOPARDIZING SALVATION!

There is NO SHAME for opting out early! NONE! Nor, CONDEMNATION either!

My question to you EG, and others like yourself (it apparently seems), WHY are you ALWAYS trying to SHAME those who have NOT chosen to "opt out" early?
To the point, and some 400+ pages in this thread alone. Not to mention countless other threads, where y'alls LOYALTIES really DO lie!

Instead of cheering these ones on? You mock and scoff, and strive in trying to pull the rug out from underneath 'em! And become madder and meaner in your "oppression", when STOOD UP to, and EXPOSED!
I dunno what "that" sounds like to you. But, it sounds a whole lot like "pride!" Trying to "save face!" Bitten off more then you can chew! IOW? Sounds more like "flesh", then Spirit!

Ya’ll been told time after time

It is HOW we grow in christ after we are saved, what purpose does that law have in that process

Once again, you just proved you are not listening

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Whats worse, when you ask how it is done, they will not answer, or keep posting same verses over and over,

Its easy to see why they are that way, it sounds good, and it feeds our flesh,

But truth does not always sound good,

there is the bull's eye right there

the flesh vs the Holy Spirit

and never the 2 shall meet until one gets on its knees and it ain't the Holy Spirit

 

[Lightskin]

I have no faith AT ALL in this one:
2 Thessalonians 2
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

No matter what "name" it chooses to call itself!
Fact is? It is my enemy!
As it should be yours as well!

Ooh, I struck a nerve. That’s the third time you quoted that post. I’m praying for you.

 

[SimpleGardner]

It is interesting to see the divide growing in the halls of government. Most think the other side is "crazy" AND TO SOME EXTENT THEY ARE! But, this binary separation is growing in all walks of life. God is separating the wheat and tares. Bundles are being formed and the time to change is over, rather the drying of the fruit is taking place and is being set for the day of Judgement.

As the bundles are being made by Gods miraculous means, the job for the angels is being made easier. No decisions or judgements on their parts is necessary, no, just gathering what God has bundled! Amazing, isn't it!

These on here who seem to grow more slanderous and childish and vile and carnal by the day, employing lies and gaslighting are seemingly unaware of how obvious they are to true Christians who are here to clarify and illuminate the will of Yahshua and YHWH theough the Holy Spirit. Be patient, and recognize we are not given a "gang spirit" as they are. The "gang spirit" has to do with the "bundling" that is going on. Note that the "tares" are bundled first. Then the wheat. We do have "love for one another", those of us who find the persecution and petty, carnal behavior offensive, but this is part of the "last days".

The witnessing of these things is saddening, but we were warned these days would come and this is part of it. Truthfully, we must not be sad for these, rather we should recognize their rebellion against the will of YHWH, which they rail against all the time!

Be well

Bless YHWH, Know and Keep!

SG

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Love can be tough...If you look for it, there are instructions in there, not petty slandering and malice.

The gig is up ls, you, the "gang" and company are being "seen" more and more for who they aren't and definitely for who they are.

Fortunately we have the benchmarks of behavior that Yahshua gave us, that even Paul cites in order to root out from among us vile and carnal men who masquerade as something they are not. Sadly the mask "the gang" wears is no more than lipstick on a pig which fails to cover their true identity.

A sincere reading of the epistles to the Colossians over and over could provide a glimpse of a mans true carnality in order to begin self reflection.

SG

You better be sure your not the one who needs tough love,

And remember, when you are proclaiming to be giving tough love, but you actually do the very thing you are accusing the other

Your making yourself look bad, and self righteous

Is it worth it to you?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is interesting to see the divide growing in the halls of government. Most think the other side is "crazy" AND TO SOME EXTENT THEY ARE! But, this binary separation is growing in all walks of life. God is separating the wheat and tares. Bundles are being formed and the time to change is over, rather the drying of the fruit is taking place and is being set for the day of Judgement.

As the bundles are being made by Gods miraculous means, the job for the angels is being made easier. No decisions or judgements on their parts is necessary, no, just gathering what God has bundled! Amazing, isn't it!

These on here who seem to grow more slanderous and childish and vile and carnal by the day, employing lies and gaslighting are seemingly unaware of how obvious they are to true Christians who are here to clarify and illuminate the will of Yahshua and YHWH theough the Holy Spirit. Be patient, and recognize we are not given a "gang spirit" as they are. The "gang spirit" has to do with the "bundling" that is going on. Note that the "tares" are bundled first. Then the wheat. We do have "love for one another", those of us who find the persecution and petty, carnal behavior offensive, but this is part of the "last days".

The witnessing of these things is saddening, but we were warned these days would come and this is part of it. Truthfully, we must not be sad for these, rather we should recognize their rebellion against the will of YHWH, which they rail against all the time!

Be well

Bless YHWH, Know and Keep!

SG

Once again, i bolded the most important part of your post you need to really focus on

Your one of the worse offenders.

You people need to look in a mirror.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

It is interesting to see the divide growing in the halls of government. Most think the other side is "crazy" AND TO SOME EXTENT THEY ARE! But, this binary separation is growing in all walks of life. God is separating the wheat and tares. Bundles are being formed and the time to change is over, rather the drying of the fruit is taking place and is being set for the day of Judgement.

As the bundles are being made by Gods miraculous means, the job for the angels is being made easier. No decisions or judgements on their parts is necessary, no, just gathering what God has bundled! Amazing, isn't it!

These on here who seem to grow more slanderous and childish and vile and carnal by the day, employing lies and gaslighting are seemingly unaware of how obvious they are to true Christians who are here to clarify and illuminate the will of Yahshua and YHWH theough the Holy Spirit. Be patient, and recognize we are not given a "gang spirit" as they are. The "gang spirit" has to do with the "bundling" that is going on. Note that the "tares" are bundled first. Then the wheat. We do have "love for one another", those of us who find the persecution and petty, carnal behavior offensive, but this is part of the "last days".

The witnessing of these things is saddening, but we were warned these days would come and this is part of it. Truthfully, we must not be sad for these, rather we should recognize their rebellion against the will of YHWH, which they rail against all the time!

Be well

Bless YHWH, Know and Keep!

SG

yeah

that's a load of judgement right there you just unloaded all by your little lonesome

if the thief on the cross could be saved, and he was, we are still in a grace period or you would not be here writing what you do

people like you spew nonsense and trip over most things

why?

because your nose is so high in the air you can't see where you are going and you oops...trip

 

[SimpleGardner]

Y'all have been told time after time after time after time!
It's NOT ABOUT SALVATION!
It's ABOUT the PERFECTING/MATURING OF THE SPIRIT!
And yes? It's going to FEEL like one is NOT SAVED! But, THIS is how God "presses the buttons", in motivating, "ones He has CALLED!" In His hopeful endeavors of one becoming "ONE'S HE HAS CHOSEN!"
That being said? This "contract", if you will, ALWAYS comes with an "OPT OUT CLAUSE!" Meaning one can opt out at ANY TIME during these "EFFORTS" FOR "Spiritual Maturing!" WITHOUT JEOPARDIZING SALVATION!

There is NO SHAME for opting out early! NONE! Nor, CONDEMNATION either!

My question to you EG, and others like yourself (it apparently seems), WHY are you ALWAYS trying to SHAME those who have NOT chosen to "opt out" early?
To the point, and some 400+ pages in this thread alone. Not to mention countless other threads, where y'alls LOYALTIES really DO lie!

Instead of cheering these ones on? You mock and scoff, and strive in trying to pull the rug out from underneath 'em! And become madder and meaner in your "oppression", when STOOD UP to, and EXPOSED!
I dunno what "that" sounds like to you. But, it sounds a whole lot like "pride!" Trying to "save face!" Bitten off more then you can chew! IOW? Sounds more like "flesh", then Spirit!

Hey NayborBear,

Your graciousness to EG shines through. Personally, I am having a hard time seeing past the carnality to recognize any desire for redemption there.

I will continue to pray and hope there is time, but I think the lockdown has already begun...

SG

 

[SimpleGardner]

You better be sure your not the one who needs tough love,

And remember, when you are proclaiming to be giving tough love, but you actually do the very thing you are accusing the other

Your making yourself look bad, and self righteous

Is it worth it to you?

We all need tough love EG, the question is which of us is willing to receive it...

So, the minute I endeavor to speak to you on your level it's as if you cannot recognize the methods!

Striking how blind you are to your own condition!

If any of my words "prick" you PLEASE, pause and pray and seek before it's too late!

SG