Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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I`ve made an effort to be nice to you, you just don`t have the insight to see it.

Greetings RS,



Been there done that. Playing religion is a special joy for those who are lost. If they can feel as if they are superior to a true Christian they are made to feel vindicated. Slander, brutishness, lies, cruelty, pettiness etc are their tools and as we all know are not fruits of the Spirit.

There is an "ignore" feature on this site which is still too good for anyone who displays such carnality.

Be Well

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Greetings RS,



Been there done that. Playing religion is a special joy for those who are lost. If they can feel as if they are superior to a true Christian they are made to feel vindicated. Slander, brutishness, lies, cruelty, pettiness etc are their tools and as we all know are not fruits of the Spirit.

There is an "ignore" feature on this site which is still too good for anyone who displays such carnality.

Be Well

SG
says the one who preaches religion.

And loves to play Games

What a joke!

You also need to look in the mirror.. Your one of the worse offenders
 

NayborBear

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You have no faith in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Messiah, Lord of all creation and Savior of those who have faith in Him?

Well, I respect the fact that you at least admit you have no faith in Him. I’d love to talk more with you but obviously you have to go work for your salvation. Have a nice day.
Romans 8
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
 

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The Jews were promised a land (Genesis 17:8), and it will be a physical kingdom where God promised he will be their King. (Jeremiah 23:5-6)
Jer 23:5-8 NLT “For the time is coming,” says the LORD, “when I will raise up a righteous descendant from King David’s line. He will be a King who rules with wisdom. He will do what is just and right throughout the land. (6) And this will be his name: ‘The LORD Is Our Righteousness.’ In that day Judah will be saved, and Israel will live in safety. (7) “In that day,” says the LORD, “when people are taking an oath, they will no longer say, ‘As surely as the LORD lives, who rescued the people of Israel from the land of Egypt.’ (8) Instead, they will say, ‘As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the people of Israel back to their own land from the land of the north and from all the countries to which he had exiled them.’ Then they will live in their own land.”

This isn’t the return of Jesus though, but more to the point I believe we are seeing the beginning of this now. Then will come the tribulation of seven years, after which Christ will return. (Just my opinion.)
 
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Jer 23:5-8 NLT “For the time is coming,” says the LORD, “when I will raise up a righteous descendant from King David’s line. He will be a King who rules with wisdom. He will do what is just and right throughout the land. (6) And this will be his name: ‘The LORD Is Our Righteousness.’ In that day Judah will be saved, and Israel will live in safety. (7) “In that day,” says the LORD, “when people are taking an oath, they will no longer say, ‘As surely as the LORD lives, who rescued the people of Israel from the land of Egypt.’ (8) Instead, they will say, ‘As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the people of Israel back to their own land from the land of the north and from all the countries to which he had exiled them.’ Then they will live in their own land.”

This isn’t the return of Jesus though, but more to the point I believe we are seeing the beginning of this now. Then will come the tribulation of seven years, after which Christ will return. (Just my opinion.)
Yes, during the Tribulation, the 144,000 and the 2 witnesses, together with possibly angels, will all be preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom once again to all the Jews.

Elijah is acknowledged to be the prophet that will herald the return of Jesus to all the Jews, so he is likely to be one of the 2.
 

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Yes, during the Tribulation, the 144,000 and the 2 witnesses, together with possibly angels, will all be preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom once again to all the Jews.

Elijah is acknowledged to be the prophet that will herald the return of Jesus to all the Jews, so he is likely to be one of the 2.
So are you saying Elijah will be accompanied by Jesus?
 

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Romans 8
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
I pray one day you’ll be in the Spirit.
 
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Do you have any desire to even know WHAT i believe? Or do you wish to just keep hashing the same argument over and over, over a false perception of what i believe?

Can't you notice your post all over the place going against and forcing your belief to everyone who disagree with you? If you can't even be honest to answer my questions but would rather accuse me of saying things I never said and which you obviously are the one guilty of doing, you can choose not to respond to me. I think we all have the right to post our views here, to disagree and to even ignore provocative approaches. We can choose to do so. I did not start the fire bro.

Why do you think paul called the law the ministration of death? Written in ston (can you name another set of laws given by God written in stone?)

Why do you think paul, moses and james declaimed that 1 sin is all it takes to be cursed forever by that law
Go read Deut 5. The 10 commandments was given to Israel for them to obey.

...the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen. Romans 9:4-5

Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (that done in the body by the hands of men)— remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. Ephesians 2:11-12

All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) This will take place on the day when God will judge men’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares. Romans 2:12-16

All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”
Galatians 3:10

Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 1 John 3:4-5

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet,” and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Romans 13:8-14

And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. 2 John 1:6

The Master's word/s is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.
 
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So are you saying Elijah will be accompanied by Jesus?
Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

Not immediately of course. If he is indeed one of the 2 witnesses, he has to be killed once first by the beast, before God will resurrect him. (Rev 11:7-12)
 

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Thank you, just interested that's all. It is very annoying to only see half the conversation, but sometimes I get a little upset at what people say, so it is best I do not read those things.
 
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Can't you notice your post all over the place going against and forcing your belief to everyone who disagree with you? If you can't even be honest to answer my questions but would rather accuse me of saying things I never said and which you obviously are the one guilty of doing, you can choose not to respond to me. I think we all have the right to post our views here, to disagree and to even ignore provocative approaches. We can choose to do so. I did not start the fire bro.


Go read Deut 5. The 10 commandments was given to Israel for them to obey.

...the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen. Romans 9:4-5

Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (that done in the body by the hands of men)— remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. Ephesians 2:11-12

All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) This will take place on the day when God will judge men’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares. Romans 2:12-16

All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”
Galatians 3:10

Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 1 John 3:4-5

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet,” and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Romans 13:8-14

And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. 2 John 1:6

The Master's word/s is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.
Further proof you have utterly no idea what i believe

I am done playing games, my words and believe have remained steady since this thread has opened

1. The law is not done away with
2. The law condemns everyone who does not fullfill it
3, the law is our schoolmaster to lead us to christ
4. The law is not the means or directions of HOW to be morally righteous people, it was given to prove HOW unrighteous we are (which should lead us to christ)
5 the way to be obedient children of god who obeys gods commands are the law of love (love god and neighbor above self) seeking after the things of the spirit. And focusing on producing the fruit of the spirit
6. The argument is NOT is it ok to sin, or disobey gods laws or commands, the argument IS how does a child of god live in a way he is obedient to gods commands, and what was the purpose of mosaic law,


Now if you can find a way to refute or want to discuss any of these points, feel free, i will discuss them with you

Otherwise, there is nothing to talk about, because you refuse to try to understand anything i say

 

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Thank you, just interested that's all. It is very annoying to only see half the conversation, but sometimes I get a little upset at what people say, so it is best I do not read those things.
You’re welcome, beloved. You have great wisdom to put some folks on ignore. I don’t have anyone on ignore yet. Key word YET. 😊
 

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Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

Not immediately of course. If he is indeed one of the 2 witnesses, he has to be killed once first by the beast, before God will resurrect him. (Rev 11:7-12)
Thank you. It is a difficult subject, but very interesting.
 
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says the one who preaches religion.

And loves to play Games

What a joke!

You also need to look in the mirror.. Your one of the worse offenders
Kinda surprised you didn't end that spewing with "Nanny nanny boo boo"! ;)

You better hope your parents don't find out you are on a site meant for sincere Christians! lol

Your behavior is giving your age away.

SG
 

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Kinda surprised you didn't end that spewing with "Nanny nanny boo boo"! ;)

You better hope your parents don't find out you are on a site meant for sincere Christians! lol

Your behavior is giving your age away.

SG
An abider of the law failing to abide in the law of love. How apropos.
 
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Romans 8
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Greetings NayborBear,

The big "IFs"! Paul mentions the "Iffy-ness" of it all as he saw so many of his followers who were simply "carnal" without the Spirit of God dwelling in them. That's why he gave the laundry list of "fruits of the Spirit" as well as the "deeds of carnality" to look for, but let's first hear from the one we follow;

Mat 15:18-20 KJV
(18) But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
(19) For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
(20) These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.


and;


Mar 7:21-23 KJV
(21) For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
(22) Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
(23) All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.


And here below the fallible Paul echos the sentiments of His Lord and Master, the one he instructs other men to follow;


2Co 12:20-21 NIV
(20) For I am afraid that when I come I may not find you as I want you to be, and you may not find me as you want me to be. I fear that there may be quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, factions, slander, gossip, arrogance and disorder.
(21) I am afraid that when I come again my God will humble me before you, and I will be grieved over many who have sinned earlier and have not repented of the impurity, sexual sin and debauchery in which they have indulged.


Many on here do not have sincere desires to find the truth and walk it, rather they employ the attributes of carnality above to attack others for no other reason than to demean them.

SG
 
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Kinda surprised you didn't end that spewing with "Nanny nanny boo boo"! ;)

You better hope your parents don't find out you are on a site meant for sincere Christians! lol

Your behavior is giving your age away.


SG
The bolded part of your statement alone shows what i was saying

Thats how you prety much respond to anyone who disagrees with you
 

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Further proof you have utterly no idea what i believe

I am done playing games, my words and believe have remained steady since this thread has opened

1. The law is not done away with
2. The law condemns everyone who does not fullfill it
3, the law is our schoolmaster to lead us to christ
4. The law is not the means or directions of HOW to be morally righteous people, it was given to prove HOW unrighteous we are (which should lead us to christ)
5 the way to be obedient children of god who obeys gods commands are the law of love (love god and neighbor above self) seeking after the things of the spirit. And focusing on producing the fruit of the spirit
6. The argument is NOT is it ok to sin, or disobey gods laws or commands, the argument IS how does a child of god live in a way he is obedient to gods commands, and what was the purpose of mosaic law,


Now if you can find a way to refute or want to discuss any of these points, feel free, i will discuss them with you

Otherwise, there is nothing to talk about, because you refuse to try to understand anything i say
Its not that they refuse. They just have no way to understand what you are saying.

When Paul asks "Are you so foolish? Having started in the Spirit are you perfected by the flesh?"


Their answer is yes. Because they don't know anything about the Spirit. It is obvious because they post all these scriptures about commandments and obedience but not a whisper about HOW it is done. If any of them knew HOW it is done there would be no arguments between us. But they think we obey the same way as the Jews did, by their work at the law. No other thoughts are even coming to them. Some of them, a good percentage, are even saying that their work at the law is spiritual. That a person can't even work at the law unless they are spiritual.

I think a big problem is elevating the Jewish people above everyone else in the Christian community. You have so many Christians attempting to emulate the things they like in the Jewish traditions there is almost no way that their errors will not bleed over into Christianity. You don't ever hear about the inherent danger to the Christian in attempting to emulate physical Jewish traditions. I think its because it is easy to have a CARNAL understanding of what is taught in the bible but very difficult to have a SPIRITUAL understanding of what is taught in the bible.


Anyone who shows the understanding that you do has a Spiritual understanding. This can only come from God.

It amazes me how so many can read the bible and NEVER come to this understanding. Ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth.