Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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DeighAnn

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Absolutely correct! Jesus, throughout His Earthly ministry, taught obedience to the law of Moses.
He certainly hadn't changed it yet. And the New could not be brought in till His blood had been shed. Thank Him he did.
 
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Why would anyone ever want to go from an incorruptible body to a flesh one? Once the Millennium is here ALL WILL BE CHANGED> no more flesh. What would be the purpose?
Do you even know what "incorruptible" means in the original Greek? It is the Greek word "aphtharsia", which means to not grow old and die as a result of aging, which is essentially what immortality is. The new bodies will be bodies of flesh that do not grow old and die on their own like our current bodies do, which grow old on their own and eventually die. You have no understanding of what immortality is, which is why you think the new bodies will be non-flesh, when it is clearly evident in scripture that immortal angels possess bodies of flesh, and even the new immortal body of the Messiah was a body of flesh and bones after he was resurrected.
 
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There is a difference between sin and sin. We are all sinners, but we are not all liars, thieves, adulterers, etc. In my opinion, when Paul says we have been set free from sin, he is referring to lie, theft, adultery, etc., not to occasional evil thoughts and things like that.
Occasional evil thoughts are the root of sin, for that is what "sin" is in the inward man, which springs forth thoughts randomly into the heart to do evil. That is why a child who has never seen sin will automatically lie, because we are all conceived in sin and eventually sin because of it. And in the old covenant, man was never able to stop sinning, because they were still slaves to sin, which is why the blood of animals had to be continually shed, whereas in the new covenant, through the blood of the Messiah, now the freedom of sin has come, through belief in him and being set apart by the airflow, which cuts the sin in the inward man, thus making the man dead to sin, which is why he can never sin again. That is why the blood of the Messiah is superior to the blood of animals and also why it only needed to be shed once. http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2019/01/11/perfection-through-belief-in-yeshuah-by-the-airflow-of-god/
 

DeighAnn

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Angels are able to transform into aeolian bodies, which are bodies of airflow, which is what "spirit" and "spiritual" truly mean, for these English words are mistranslations, and angels are also able to transform into flames of fire, which was the form that an angel appeared to Moses as,

he makes his angels into airflows, his servants into flames of fire…
Psalm 104:4

There the angel Yehovah appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush
Exodus 3:2

Now about the angels He says: “He makes His angels into airflows, His servants flames of fire.”
Hebrews 1:7

I discuss this topic more in depth in a bible study http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2018/08/2...-word-spirit-the-identity-of-the-wind-of-god/
Quite the leap isn't it?
Who makes His angels (messengers) spirits His ministers (ministers, serve) a fire flame of. I am not getting it here. He is speaking about His angels 4397 and His ministers 8334

In Hebrews His angels 32 and His servants 3011

And not a mention of going to flesh and back in any of them.
 
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Quite the leap isn't it?
Who makes His angels (messengers) spirits His ministers (ministers, serve) a fire flame of. I am not getting it here. He is speaking about His angels 4397 and His ministers 8334

In Hebrews His angels 32 and His servants 3011

And not a mention of going to flesh and back in any of them.
If you cannot understand that angels transform into aeolian bodies as these scriptures say they do, neither will you understand how they can transform back into bodies of flesh and bones. Understand the first thing, then perhaps you may understand the second thing. Learn to walk, before you can learn to run. Your own hardness of heart prevents you from coming to a deeper understanding of the truth, if at all any truth for that matter. http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2018/08/2...-word-spirit-the-identity-of-the-wind-of-god/
 

Marcelo

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Marcelo said: Absolutely correct! Jesus, throughout His Earthly ministry, taught obedience to the law of Moses.
He certainly hadn't changed it yet. And the New could not be brought in till His blood had been shed. Thank Him he did.
The blood of the Lord Jesus is of supreme importance.
 

DeighAnn

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Do you even know what "incorruptible" means in the original Greek? It is the Greek word "aphtharsia", which means to not grow old and die as a result of aging, which is essentially what immortality is. The new bodies will be bodies of flesh that do not grow old and die on their own like our current bodies do, which grow old on their own and eventually die. You have no understanding of what immortality is, which is why you think the new bodies will be non-flesh, when it is clearly evident in scripture that immortal angels possess bodies of flesh, and even the new immortal body of the Messiah was a body of flesh and bones after he was resurrected.
I do understand. but we will not be flesh. Flesh can not inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Cor 15 50. I have no understanding? You still haven't given me any scripture in which I can. NONE of the scripture you gave even remotely backs up your claim.

Mortal - liable to die in the lake of fire
Immortal - second death ain't got nothing on me

Once again, you clearly speak in your own words yet are clearly leaving out Gods Word. If God doesn't say it, I don't assume it to be true. Never have I read that angels or messengers "transform" back and forth. Surely they have bodies "like" us we are made in image, and as they impregnated woman. But them babies tell us another story, and them angels were not flesh and blood like we are, they were something very different.

There will be no taking and giving in marriage. Do you think we will all still have reproductive organs too? Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

aND AS we will all be the Bride, will we all be womem??
 

DeighAnn

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If you cannot understand that angels transform into aeolian bodies as these scriptures say they do, neither will you understand how they can transform back into bodies of flesh and bones. Understand the first thing, then perhaps you may understand the second thing. Learn to walk, before you can learn to run. Your own hardness of heart prevents you from coming to a deeper understanding of the truth, if at all any truth for that matter. http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2018/08/2...-word-spirit-the-identity-of-the-wind-of-god/
It isn't my hardness of heart it is your lack of teaching truth. I showed you the scripture you quoted was not speaking of the same being changing, you just ignored it.
 
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I do understand. but we will not be flesh. Flesh can not inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Cor 15 50. I have no understanding? You still haven't given me any scripture in which I can. NONE of the scripture you gave even remotely backs up your claim.

Mortal - liable to die in the lake of fire
Immortal - second death ain't got nothing on me

Once again, you clearly speak in your own words yet are clearly leaving out Gods Word. If God doesn't say it, I don't assume it to be true. Never have I read that angels or messengers "transform" back and forth. Surely they have bodies "like" us we are made in image, and as they impregnated woman. But them babies tell us another story, and them angels were not flesh and blood like we are, they were something very different.

There will be no taking and giving in marriage. Do you think we will all still have reproductive organs too? Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

aND AS we will all be the Bride, will we all be womem??
Angels are men, with all the parts included of a man, did it not occur to you how they were able to marry and impregnate women? Have you also never read, "you are gods, sons of the most high, yet you shall die like men"? Meaning all the angels that sinned will die in the lava of lava, like men, for immortality is not unconditional, it is conditional, because even though our new bodies of flesh will not grow old and die on their own, they can indeed be killed, because nothing in creation is unconditionally immortal, only God is. That is why God must always be feared, now, and always. Our current flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God, because it grows old and dies on its own, making inheriting aeonial things pointless, like giving someone that only has 1 day to live a mansion to live in, which is why we need new bodies that do not grow old and die on their own, to then logically be able to inherit aeonial things. But even then, aeonial things are physical things, for our aeonial possession is this earth, for 1,000 years, and then our aeonial possession will be to live in the New Jerusalem, which is also a physical place, and these places are "long lasting", hence "aeonial", which is why they require aeonial bodies to be able to take hold of these aeonial things without dying so soon after taking hold of them. You lack understanding, and your own stubbornness prevents you from arriving at understanding. Read my bible study regarding "aeonial" http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2019/05/2...mmortality-and-the-mistranslation-of-eternal/
 

Marcelo

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Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. John 14:21-24
The bolded sentence above is interesting. I had never before noticed it.

The Lord Jesus here is talking to the Jews, under the Old Covenant, and He is exhorting them to keep the law of Moses.

True obedience means doing (or not doing) what is prescribed by CURRENT laws.
 

DeighAnn

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Do you even know what "incorruptible" means in the original Greek? It is the Greek word "aphtharsia", which means to not grow old and die as a result of aging, which is essentially what immortality is. The new bodies will be bodies of flesh that do not grow old and die on their own like our current bodies do, which grow old on their own and eventually die. You have no understanding of what immortality is, which is why you think the new bodies will be non-flesh, when it is clearly evident in scripture that immortal angels possess bodies of flesh, and even the new immortal body of the Messiah was a body of flesh and bones after he was resurrected.



5356 phthora destruction, corruption, decay, rottenness, decomposition

861 aphtharsia incorruptibility, indestructibility, immortality

no deterioration, not perishable,

1Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
 

Jackson123

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Yes, there are differences between the teachings of the Earthly Jesus and those of the risen Jesus. For example:

The Earthly Jesus taught obedience to the law of Moses while the risen Jesus (through Paul) released us from the Law.
Different but inline, because before the cross, people make animal sacrifice, after not. But in line, becaose It is Jesus plan to remove animal sacrifice and replace It oN the cross.
 

DeighAnn

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Angels are men, with all the parts included of a man, did it not occur to you how they were able to marry and impregnate women? Have you also never read, "you are gods, sons of the most high, yet you shall die like men"? Meaning all the angels that sinned will die in the lava of lava, like men, for immortality is not unconditional, it is conditional, because even though our new bodies of flesh will not grow old and die on their own, they can indeed be killed, because nothing in creation is unconditionally immortal, only God is. That is why God must always be feared, now, and always. Our current flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God, because it grows old and dies on its own, making inheriting aeonial things pointless, like giving someone that only has 1 day to live a mansion to live in, which is why we need new bodies that do not grow old and die on their own, to then logically be able to inherit aeonial things. But even then, aeonial things are physical things, for our aeonial possession is this earth, for 1,000 years, and then our aeonial possession will be to live in the New Jerusalem, which is also a physical place, and these places are "long lasting", hence "aeonial", which is why they require aeonial bodies to be able to take hold of these aeonial things without dying so soon after taking hold of them. You lack understanding, and your own stubbornness prevents you from arriving at understanding. Read my bible study regarding "aeonial" http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2019/05/2...mmortality-and-the-mistranslation-of-eternal/
You talk and talk but you never give scripture. And when you do it is not scripture that backs up what you are saying. "Flesh and blood can not, " good enough for me. Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

I can see we will disagree on the Word of God at the basic level. We shall all see.
 
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You talk and talk but you never give scripture. And when you do it is not scripture that backs up what you are saying. "Flesh and blood can not, " good enough for me. Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

I can see we will disagree on the Word of God at the basic level. We shall all see.
I told you, "spirit" is a mistranslation. The correct translation of that passage is:

Then Yehovah said, “My breath shall not abide in man aeonially, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.”
Genesis 6:3

For it was the breath of God that gave man life,

then Yehovah God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living soul.
Genesis 2:7

And it is the breath that returns to God who gave it,

and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the breath returns to God who gave it.
Ecclesiastes 12:7

When you hide your face, they are terrified; when you take away their breath, they die and return to the dust.
Psalm 104:29

As the body without the breath is dead, so belief without works is dead.
James 2:26

Yeshuah called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my breath.” When he had said this, he breathed his last.
Luke 23:46

And when Yeshuah had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his breath.
Matthew 27:50

http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2018/08/2...-word-spirit-the-identity-of-the-wind-of-god/

Over and over again you refuse to understand the truth. This is why it is written concerning many of you, "they honor me with their lips, but their hearts are very far from me" and "my people perish for lack of knowledge". You are a people without understanding, and stiff necked.
 

Marcelo

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Through Luke;

Meanwhile, when a crowd of many thousands had gathered, so that they were trampling on one another, Jesus began to speak first to his disciples, saying: “Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.
See? Jesus said the Pharisees were hypocrites, but confirmed their authority as teachers. Don't you feel the law of Moses was close to its end? Do you think Jesus wanted us to submit ourselves to such leaders for many centuries to come?
 

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Angels are men, with all the parts included of a man, did it not occur to you how they were able to marry and impregnate women? Have you also never read, "you are gods, sons of the most high, yet you shall die like men"? Meaning all the angels that sinned will die in the lava of lava, like men, for immortality is not unconditional, it is conditional, because even though our new bodies of flesh will not grow old and die on their own, they can indeed be killed, because nothing in creation is unconditionally immortal, only God is. That is why God must always be feared, now, and always. Our current flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God, because it grows old and dies on its own, making inheriting aeonial things pointless, like giving someone that only has 1 day to live a mansion to live in, which is why we need new bodies that do not grow old and die on their own, to then logically be able to inherit aeonial things. But even then, aeonial things are physical things, for our aeonial possession is this earth, for 1,000 years, and then our aeonial possession will be to live in the New Jerusalem, which is also a physical place, and these places are "long lasting", hence "aeonial", which is why they require aeonial bodies to be able to take hold of these aeonial things without dying so soon after taking hold of them. You lack understanding, and your own stubbornness prevents you from arriving at understanding. Read my bible study regarding "aeonial" http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2019/05/2...mmortality-and-the-mistranslation-of-eternal/
Simply incorrect. Men cannot strike other men blind, as the angels did in Genesis 19. Men cannot strike other men dead en masse, as the angel did with the 185,000 in 2 Kings 19. I would encourage you to do more homework on this subject.
 

Marcelo

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Different but inline, because before the cross, people make animal sacrifice, after not. But in line, becaose It is Jesus plan to remove animal sacrifice and replace It oN the cross.
In this sense, yes!
 

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Satan is loosed for a short time at the end of the Millennium
to deceive who? the saved people in glorified bodies? the lost arent resurrected until after the millennium. does not add up
 

Marcelo

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Paul wrote these things;

I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading the Gentiles to obey God by what I have said and done—
Romans 15:18

So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. Romans 7:12
He says the law is holy, but he doesn't say we have to keep the law.
 

Marcelo

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For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit. Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Romans 8:1-17
If you are controlled by the Spirit you don't need the law of Moses.