Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[Marcelo]

I don't believe you.

All you are trying to list here is the teachings of Moses

The law of Moses is very different from that! There are 613 ordinances.

 

[Magenta]

The law of Moses is very different from that! There are 613 ordinances.

Hebrews 10:9 says, "He sets aside the first to establish the second."

Is this not a setting aside of the covenant through Moses, to
establish the covenant through the shed righteous blood of Christ?

 

[NayborBear]

so, in other words, you only believe Scripture when it is relevant to your personal theology, otherwise, you don't care.

all right . at least you are honest.

Lol. Yeah, I reckon they told Jeremiah pretty much the same thing, as they were lowering him into the sewers of Jerusalem.

 

[IFOLLOWHIM]

Once again, you assume we haven't confessed our sinfulness or asked the Lord to have mercy on our souls. Quite the harsh judgement on your part, Once again on a thread about Gods Law, you say it is "legalism", like "Loving God, and loving your neighbor" somehow aren't commands just like the rest.

We don't excuse our sins, ever, but we do ACKNOWLEDGE them and repent. Why do we confess our sins and repent? To become more Christ like. To follow the commands given us.

John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. (what is sin? what are we to confess?)

John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (you call this legalism) (except the ones that say walk in love, the ones you follow)

John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. (and how did He walk? In obedience to God, in and through love, in and through His laws perfectly)

It is through the blood of Jesus sins are forgiven. We are not trying to "earn" something that was already given. (you just judge it to be that way). We are becoming more "Christlike" not only through love by also through obedience. You don't even realize how backwards what you say is because it has become so indoctrinated in you it feels like "truth". We are sinners or lawbreakers, all of us, at least according to God.

We will see exactly how God feels about HIS LAW and whether it should be taught to others to follow or not, or whether just "love" covers it all or not, and if He considers that life or legalism. If you walked in more than just the "commands to love" and truly cared about ALL the laws of God, you would know what a sin it is to insinuate to someone who has been saved, that they are not saved or as you phrased it "has not become poor enough in spirit" as far as eternally grateful sees it, to have been saved.

Seems that those 2 commands which you did decide WERE for you, didn't open your mind and heart to those other parts of Gods Law. Seems those who follow their own "pick and choose" formula don't think the other basics never have much meaning. Wonder how many laws get disregarded "though love without knowledge teaching"? But this we do know, God is keeping an exact list.

Why do you think HE SPENT all that time, having it all written out for us, leaving us without excuse or knowledge of His ways? It may sound "politically correct" with your companions of the same opinion, but reducing Gods Law to just "legalism", IMO isn't gonna fly any better that those who were first deceived with "rapsure" doctrine, followed by full on deceived by the false messiah through a lack of the truth found in Gods Word.

I know, I got it all wrong, again. That isn't what you teach or believe, yet that is how it keeps coming across in your posts.

To much focus on the law in the THREAD ABOUT THE LAW.

wow Anne thank you!

some here make me want to smack them down with their self righteous attitudes!

they clique like dentures on a nightstand!

Parrots of the " big kahuna"...who is nothing but a blow hard loud mouth!

it's sickening to hear the terms " legalists,law and Sabbath keepers"............

judgement is gonna be an EYE OPENER,when those that mocked,scoffed,belitted,demeaned,and caused stumbling block for others here theses words DEPART FROM ME.........

 

[Marcelo]

Hebrews 10:9 says, "He sets aside the first to establish the second."

Is this not a setting aside of the covenant through Moses, to
establish the covenant through the shed righteous blood of Christ?

Yes, God did away with the 613-item-list of do's and don'ts and established a new law, but unfortunately there are many people who love that obsolete law more than they love God.

 

[IFOLLOWHIM]

You think this is funny........

I'm as serious as stage four metastatic cancer...untreatable!

don't be led in the ditch along with " that" crowd............

or you can just laugh it up too,and awaken in darkness yourself!


I guess you aren't that spiritually deep then only " fluff"!

 

[Noose]

The law of Moses is very different from that! There are 613 ordinances.

What about the 10? I was talking about the 10 commandments from the Lord.

 

[Noose]

Yes, God did away with the 613-item-list of do's and don'ts and established a new law, but unfortunately there are many people who love that obsolete law more than they love God.

A few post ago, you have just admitted that you still keep some of the law and can not do without it, so why attack others?
Why do you even try to keep the law of Moses if it is obsolete?

 

[Guojing]

Yes, God did away with the 613-item-list of do's and don'ts and established a new law, but unfortunately there are many people who love that obsolete law more than they love God.

The real question is, why didn't the resurrected Jesus tell that to his disciples before he ascended to heaven?

Instead, he reminded them to preach to others "to obey EVERYTHING in which he commanded them" (Matthew 28:20), which is the opposite of the above.

 

[gb9]

The real question is, why didn't the resurrected Jesus tell that to his disciples before he ascended to heaven?

Instead, he reminded them to preach to others "to obey EVERYTHING in which he commanded them" (Matthew 28:20), which is the opposite of the above.

* except Jesus was speaking of what He spoke while on earth, not what the Father told Moses.

ya'll need to accept the truth of Trinity, not the lie of oneness.

 

[IFOLLOWHIM]

Sorry about post #10346 . ,I wasn't being funny in the one 10344 above it though!

Thank you God I am not responsible for separating the wheat & tares or sheep & goats!

Again Sorry for rant!

 

[Guojing]

* except Jesus was speaking of what He spoke while on earth, not what the Father told Moses.

ya'll need to accept the truth of Trinity, not the lie of oneness.

But Jesus emphasize the Law too while he was on earth, Matthew 5:19

 

[NayborBear]

* except Jesus was speaking of what He spoke while on earth, not what the Father told Moses.

ya'll need to accept the truth of Trinity, not the lie of oneness.

WhaaaaT????......Wait a dog gone minute here! Be STILL my beating heart!!!

Did I just hear you ADMIT that there IS a different manifestation of SPIRIT, between GOD and Father and Son?

Surely! It must have been a "typo!"

(10 minutes of recovering later?)

WoW! I'm impressed man!

Sounds like the Father is "gaining some traction" in/by and through His son, and through His Spirit, in ya!

Sounds like "lines of agapeo" are being established! AWESOME!

Isaiah 28
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Simple? Yes!
Easy? No!
Especially, the "here a little....there a little!" In which "eyes and healing" are preformed only fractions of millimeters, here?
Fractions of millimeters there!

Sometimes? Even smaller increments then that. An "atom" at a time. Sometimes "sub atomic" increments.

 

[gb9]

WhaaaaT????......Wait a dog gone minute here! Be STILL my beating heart!!!

Did I just hear you ADMIT that there IS a different manifestation of SPIRIT, between GOD and Father and Son?

Surely! It must have been a "typo!"

(10 minutes of recovering later?)

WoW! I'm impressed man!

Sounds like the Father is "gaining some traction" in/by and through His son, and through His Spirit, in ya!

Sounds like "lines of agapeo" are being established! AWESOME!

Isaiah 28
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Simple? Yes!
Easy? No!
Especially, the "here a little....there a little!" In which "eyes and healing" are preformed only fractions of millimeters, here?
Fractions of millimeters there!

Sometimes? Even smaller increments then that. An "atom" at a time. Sometimes "sub atomic" increments.

of course .

you see, on the mount of Transfiguration, the Father came down and in the presence of Moses ( the Law) and Elijah ( the Prophets) and said of the Son " hear Him"
this elevates and separates the words in Red above all other Scripture.

of course, since you do not believe what the Father said in Leviticus 26 , about who specifically was under the Law and commanded to keep the Sabbath, I doubt you will accept what the Father did here...….

 

[NayborBear]

of course .

you see, on the mount of Transfiguration, the Father came down and in the presence of Moses ( the Law) and Elijah ( the Prophets) and said of the Son " hear Him"
this elevates and separates the words in Red above all other Scripture.

of course, since you do not believe what the Father said in Leviticus 26 , about who specifically was under the Law and commanded to keep the Sabbath, I doubt you will accept what the Father did here...….

Your interpretation is due to the "stony ground" tradition of man called "contextual literalism."

Taken in the "spiritual" sense? It applies to all who are under "slavery and bondage", even to these last days. And not so much the "literal" Egypt. It applies QUITE literally, as well as spiritually to the "world at large."

I mean, sure, people are going to "see" only that which they wish to see. As in this case of contextual literalism. Yet? It means so much more!

I can only tell ya that it does. I myself can't make you "see" that it does.

Ya see? Well? Perhaps ya don't, or can't at this time.

The true beauty of the Word of God? Is that it can, and oft times does apply to both historical accuracies, and Spiritual truths, SIMILTEANOUSLY, at the same time!

Ya see? It is because of the "apostasy" of "lawlessness and godlessness and rebelliousness", or "walking contrary to God", in the first place where "The Words of God" HAD to be "written by a FEW of God's humble servants hand", because His Spirit would NO LONGER STRIVE with "man's spirit", in the successfully "carrying on His WAYS" orally, any longer!

As can be attested to by Israel's unbelief!, in THEIR "oral traditions!"

Which is the SAME thing Paul was WARNING us gentiles about. Concerning the SEVERITY of God!

 

[gb9]

Your interpretation is due to the "stony ground" tradition of man called "contextual literalism."

Taken in the "spiritual" sense? It applies to all who are under "slavery and bondage", even to these last days. And not so much the "literal" Egypt. It applies QUITE literally, as well as spiritually to the "world at large."

I mean, sure, people are going to "see" only that which they wish to see. As in this case of contextual literalism. Yet? It means so much more!

I can only tell ya that it does. I myself can't make you "see" that it does.

Ya see? Well? Perhaps ya don't, or can't at this time.

The true beauty of the Word of God? Is that it can, and oft times does apply to both historical accuracies, and Spiritual truths, SIMILTEANOUSLY, at the same time!

Ya see? It is because of the "apostasy" of "lawlessness and godlessness and rebelliousness", or "walking contrary to God", in the first place where "The Words of God" HAD to be "written by a FEW of God's humble servants hand", because His Spirit would NO LONGER STRIVE with "man's spirit", in the successfully "carrying on His WAYS" orally, any longer!

As can be attested to by Israel's unbelief!, in THEIR "oral traditions!"

Which is the SAME thing Paul was WARNING us gentiles about. Concerning the SEVERITY of God!

my interpretation is based on this- context, chronological order, and. most importantly, accepting Scripture as written, without overlaying it with a personal theology.

it's called submitting one's self to Scripture, not giving one's self authority over Scripture, making it say what one wants it to.

and all this " hidden meaning, deeper truth", is code for " cult like thinking :. just keep looking till one sees what is NOT there, and then when one does that, one has a true understanding of God's word.

that is what you judeaizers do. i'll not be participating.

 

[Marcelo]

A few post ago, you have just admitted that you still keep some of the law and can not do without it, so why attack others?
Why do you even try to keep the law of Moses if it is obsolete?

Are you referring to the following posts?

Noose said: We all keep the law, ..... Being faithful to ones husband or wife is precisely keeping the law of Moses....

Marcelo answered: I agree with what you say above. If we believe that Jesus is the Messiah; that He died on the cross to ransom our souls; if we don't commit adultery nor fornication; if we don't steal, etc, we don't need to follow all the teachings of Moses, because we'll be saved by grace through faith.

Sure! I admit to keeping some laws. All Christians keep some ordinances of the law of Moses because they were confirmed in the New Covenant. If you follow the New Covenant teachings you will automatically obey some of Moses' teachings, but not all.

 

[Noose]

Are you referring to the following posts?




Sure! I admit to keeping some laws. All Christians keep some ordinances of the law of Moses because they were confirmed in the New Covenant. If you follow the New Covenant teachings you will automatically obey some of Moses' teachings, but not all.

My question is;
If you must keep part of the law of Moses, why teach against it? or why castigate those that practice the law?

 

[NayborBear]

my interpretation is based on this- context, chronological order, and. most importantly, accepting Scripture as written, without overlaying it with a personal theology.

it's called submitting one's self to Scripture, not giving one's self authority over Scripture, making it say what one wants it to.

and all this " hidden meaning, deeper truth", is code for " cult like thinking :. just keep looking till one sees what is NOT there, and then when one does that, one has a true understanding of God's word.

that is what you judeaizers do. i'll not be participating.

I completely understand!
This is why there are Priests of God, and Priests of God and Christ, Priests of Christ, and Christ's "sheep."

And this is why I don't condemn those who are in Christ. But, rather try and explain that which is going on. Although, I can't, nor force anyone to believe it.

For the record, however. It's not taking authority over scripture. Oh no! It's seeking out the "authority" in scripture. Which is what transpires when relying too much on one's own "wisdom", or someone else's "wisdom", and not allowing for God to do the leading.

Despite the mocking and scoffing I, and others receive.

 

[Marcelo]

What about the 10? I was talking about the 10 commandments from the Lord.

Out of the Ten Commandments I keep nine because they were reiterated in the New Testament books. We don't have to keep the Sabbath because it is not part of the new life in Christ.