Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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JohnR7

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Old Testament moral law's are Still in effect today, and are to be obeyed!
There is actually a lot riding on this: "So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:19) There is a more to the law then just the commandments. I am not even sure what the commandments are other then to Love God and Love your neighbor as yourself. Even Jesus said all of he law is to love God and our neighbor as ourself.

If we want to be "great" then we are to "practice and teach this". If we want to be "Least" then break one of the least of the commandments and teach others to do the same. I do not know what it means to teach. But with so much riding on this we should put some effort into trying to figure out what Jesus is teaching us here.

If people say we do not have to follow the law, then they are saying we do not have to love God and we do not have to love our neighbor as ourself. Sometimes I wonder between God, our neighbor and our-self. The most difficult maybe to love our-self.
 

Marcelo

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The difference in the covenant is that GOD wrote the old covenant on stone witch was the commandments that HE wrote with HIS finger .
And the new covenant HE write the Ten commandments on our HEARTS .
REVELATION tells us that they have the faith of JESUS & they keep the COMMANDMENTS of GOD .GOD BLESS as HE sees FIT for you .
OK, but Jesus, in the Gospels, taught obedience to the law of Moses while Paul said we are not under the Law. Who do you follow? Jesus or Paul?
 

JohnR7

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Paul said we are not under the Law
"His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction." (2Peter3:15)
 

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"His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction." (2Peter3:15)
You mean Paul didn't actually say we are not under the Law?
 

JohnR7

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You mean Paul didn't actually say we are not under the Law?
What scripture are you wanting to talk about? The word of God and the law of God are the exact same thing. Jesus said we are to love God and love our neighbor as our self. What part of that do you suggest we do not have to do? "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." (Matthew 22:40)
 

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What scripture are you wanting to talk about? The word of God and the law of God are the exact same thing. Jesus said we are to love God and love our neighbor as our self. What part of that do you suggest we do not have to do? "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." (Matthew 22:40)
I suggest we don't have to obey some of the teachings of Jesus as, for example; to obey the scribes and the Pharisees; to offer sacrifices; to sell all we have and give alms; etc.
 

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to sell all we have and give alms; etc.
I use to wonder about this. What does this mean to sell all we have and give to the poor? I did not understand until I went to a third world nation. Then I realized this is a question of who needs it more. Why should I over indulge if there is someone that needs something more then I do. We have to have some degree of empathy, some degree of compassion to want to help others with their needs in life. If there is something we can do to help others then an expression of our love for them is to do all we can do to help them. In real life we can not out give God. The more we give the more He gives back to us. In American it is very difficult to find people that have needs that we are able to do something to help. Sin has no limit. We can find alcoholics that need alcohol. Drug addicts that need drugs. But I am talking about children that are hungry and need food. Things like that. If it is within our means to do something to help others, then an expression of our love for them is to do all we can to help them. Why would we withhold what we have if they need it more then we do? Americans are very generous people. There are lots of people in American that would be glad to give all they have if there were something they could do to help others. Because of our love, empathy and compassion for others. My closets are full of stuff. My garage is full, my shed is full. I wish I could find someone to give some of this stuff to. There is a hardware store here that will take in used stuff like a thrift store. There is habitat for humanity that will take building materials. But it is work to go though and clean it out to give it all away. Maybe I am lazy and if I could see the need I would be more motivated.
 

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I use to wonder about this. What does this mean to sell all we have and give to the poor? I did not understand until I went to a third world nation. Then I realized this is a question of who needs it more. Why should I over indulge if there is someone that needs something more then I do. We have to have some degree of empathy, some degree of compassion to want to help others with their needs in life. If there is something we can do to help others then an expression of our love for them is to do all we can do to help them. In real life we can not out give God. The more we give the more He gives back to us. In American it is very difficult to find people that have needs that we are able to do something to help. Sin has no limit. We can find alcoholics that need alcohol. Drug addicts that need drugs. But I am talking about children that are hungry and need food. Things like that. If it is within our means to do something to help others, then an expression of our love for them is to do all we can to help them. Why would we withhold what we have if they need it more then we do? Americans are very generous people. There are lots of people in American that would be glad to give all they have if there were something they could do to help others. Because of our love, empathy and compassion for others. My closets are full of stuff. My garage is full, my shed is full. I wish I could find someone to give some of this stuff to. There is a hardware store here that will take in used stuff like a thrift store. There is habitat for humanity that will take building materials. But it is work to go though and clean it out to give it all away. Maybe I am lazy and if I could see the need I would be more motivated.
I'm sure God appreciates your willingness to give away your possessions. Jesus really told the Jews to sell their properties and give alms, and in Acts we see the disciples obeying that commandment. But Paul's teachings are different from Jesus'.

Some 30 years ago I had a co-worker who claimed that Christians should obey the commandment Jesus gave to the young rich ruler. He gave away almost everything he had, but a year or so later he realized it would be impossible to serve God that way. He then started living off his friends and ate a huge humble pie.

My co-worker's attitude caused a lot of discussion about the differences between Jesus and Paul and one of our pastors expressed the following opinion: "Jesus preached to the Jews and Paul preached to the Gentiles. In case of conflict we must follow Paul, not Jesus".

I accepted the pastor's opinion, but didn't assimilate it -- I continued thinking Jesus' words should take precedence over Paul's.

Some five years ago I heard detailed teachings about the subject and realized that Jesus basically preached the law of Moses and this is the reason why some of His teachings differ from those of Paul.

God will be pleased if you (moved by genuine love) give away all your possessions, but you don't have to do that to be saved. The scriptural basis for this is found in the letters of Paul (Paul's letters take precedent because they express the teachings of the risen Christ).
 

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He gave away almost everything he had, but a year or so later he realized it would be impossible to serve God that way. He then started living off his friends
If the idea is to have something to help others then why was he not working? There were plenty of times in my life I had very little. In the army all we have is what we can fit in a duffel bag or foot locker. Which is inspected to make sure we do not have any thing banned in there. I lived out of a back pack once for three months and I attended a boarding school for a few years where were have very little other then our clothing. Not to have to carry a lot of stuff is sort of liberating. When we go on vacation we usually take very little with us. My wife was working in Hong Kong before we got married. When she came to America she brought very little with her. She thought she was going to get everything new in America. although we got a lot of our stuff at thrift stores and garage sales.

One note. When you carry everything you own on your back people are VERY generous to want to feed you and give you a place to sleep for the night. It is rather surprising how good people are. For me I was young and it was just an adventure. Jesus and His disciples lived that way because they traveled lot.
 

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If the idea is to have something to help others then why was he not working? There were plenty of times in my life I had very little. In the army all we have is what we can fit in a duffel bag or foot locker. Which is inspected to make sure we do not have any thing banned in there. I lived out of a back pack once for three months and I attended a boarding school for a few years where were have very little other then our clothing. Not to have to carry a lot of stuff is sort of liberating. When we go on vacation we usually take very little with us. My wife was working in Hong Kong before we got married. When she came to America she brought very little with her. She thought she was going to get everything new in America. although we got a lot of our stuff at thrift stores and garage sales.

One note. When you carry everything you own on your back people are VERY generous to want to feed you and give you a place to sleep for the night. It is rather surprising how good people are. For me I was young and it was just an adventure. Jesus and His disciples lived that way because they traveled lot.
He quit his job because it was too "worldly" (not compatible with Christian life). Too bad he didn't give ears to Paul, because the apostle says it is important to have means to help the poor. He instead attempted to follow the teachings of Jesus (which were for the Jews, not for us) and gave away almost everything. He quit his job because he thought it was too worldly, but ended up being employed by South America's greatest false prophet, Edir Macedo.

In our churches we almost never have problems with the differences between Jesus and Paul because people just claim we must follow Jesus (not Paul) but they don't really mean it, they actually cling to Paul's words.

I know what you mean about military life -- I served the armed forces for six and a half years.
 

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He quit his job because it was too "worldly" (not compatible with Christian life).
Oh I agree with that. There was a book in the 80's called: "In His Steps" that asks what would Jesus do. I always tried to work a job that did not do harm to others. This is a challenge to honor God in the work we do.