Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Well okay, no I don't think Jesus was as burdened as we are or were, BUT:
Heb 4:15 KJV For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Also let's remember what has given us our love for the Moral requirements of God is the Love imparted into our once stony hearts that were replaced with a heart of flesh. So,
Joh 3:34 KJV For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
Jesus was the first to go before us in so many ways and He, a faithful High Priest and Shepherd sent to us the Holy Spirit to lead us too into all truth!
Heb 4:15 KJV For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Also let's remember what has given us our love for the Moral requirements of God is the Love imparted into our once stony hearts that were replaced with a heart of flesh. So,
Joh 3:34 KJV For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
Jesus was the first to go before us in so many ways and He, a faithful High Priest and Shepherd sent to us the Holy Spirit to lead us too into all truth!
Galatians 5: 18. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not
under the law.
we see that the meaning of
under the law
hasn't changed.
so we understand the above verse as
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not
required to do the things in the law.
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Hay Dan_473,
No, not there with you on that.
After the Baptism of/in the Holy Spirit we must yield to the leading of the Holy Spirit. For me ut us certainly not all about the law, but the moral laws of God are part of that for me. For Justification? No! but as Paul said:
2Ti 3:16-17 KJV All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Don't let this one trip you up.
Thanks Dan
No, not there with you on that.
After the Baptism of/in the Holy Spirit we must yield to the leading of the Holy Spirit. For me ut us certainly not all about the law, but the moral laws of God are part of that for me. For Justification? No! but as Paul said:
2Ti 3:16-17 KJV All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Don't let this one trip you up.
Thanks Dan
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Hay Dan_473,
No, not there with you on that.
After the Baptism of/in the Holy Spirit we must yield to the leading of the Holy Spirit. For me ut us certainly not all about the law, but the moral laws of God are part of that for me. For Justification? No! but as Paul said:
2Ti 3:16-17 KJV All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Don't let this one trip you up.
Thanks Dan
No, not there with you on that.
After the Baptism of/in the Holy Spirit we must yield to the leading of the Holy Spirit. For me ut us certainly not all about the law, but the moral laws of God are part of that for me. For Justification? No! but as Paul said:
2Ti 3:16-17 KJV All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Don't let this one trip you up.
Thanks Dan
Serious question
It cannot. Can you show me where I said that so I can write a retraction/correction?
The Holy Spirit makes us more Christ Like, desirous of doing what is right , putting off the old man. Once the desire to do right is there, a man seeks out Gods will. Paul himself said:
2Ti 3:16-17 KJV All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Does that make more sense?
The Holy Spirit makes us more Christ Like, desirous of doing what is right , putting off the old man. Once the desire to do right is there, a man seeks out Gods will. Paul himself said:
2Ti 3:16-17 KJV All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Does that make more sense?
What scripture could I show you that would help with your error? You have shown that you don't really understand scripture but just twist everything back to working at the law.
1 Timothy 1:5-7
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
2 Corinthians 3:5-6
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2 Corinthians 3:14-16
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
What scripture can be posted to lift the vail from your heart and mind? None. YOU interpret these scriptures differently than someone who rests in Christ. Why? Because ONLY Christ takes the vail from your heart and mind and shows you Truth.
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
1 Timothy 1:5-7
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
2 Corinthians 3:5-6
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2 Corinthians 3:14-16
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
What scripture can be posted to lift the vail from your heart and mind? None. YOU interpret these scriptures differently than someone who rests in Christ. Why? Because ONLY Christ takes the vail from your heart and mind and shows you Truth.
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
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Not to be mean but a lot you say sure appears to point that way in fact in that post you said gods moral law is part of the HS”s leading you as a child of god. Which by definition is sanctification
Still sounds like you are saying gods moral law helps you do this things
I want to understand how
The moral law should have already done its job in you what more can it do?
Still sounds like you are saying gods moral law helps you do this things
I want to understand how
The moral law should have already done its job in you what more can it do?
In....;
2Ti 3:14-17 KJV But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; (15) And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. (16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Do you see Paul speaking to Timothy?
If so, would you agree that Timothy is already Justified, forgiven, Walking in the Holy Spirit?
If so then isn't Paul referring Timothy to the OT for "instruction in righteousness"?
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Paul is not yelling Timothy to put himself under law or use the moral law to help himself be sanctified
Your reading into the passage something that is not there
Timothy, like so many other of us. Already have been trained by the law it’s why we can to Christ to begin with.
So why do we as believers in Christ need the moral law can you please answer
Your reading into the passage something that is not there
Timothy, like so many other of us. Already have been trained by the law it’s why we can to Christ to begin with.
So why do we as believers in Christ need the moral law can you please answer
Well, let's start by looking into what "All scripture" means. If you feel it has to exclude the Moral Laws then maybe it does. Perhaps a study into this term will clarify. Perhaps H1124 refers only to the Prophets. I will look into it too. If so then we still need to reckon what Pauls is referring to in reference to the prophets. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. Sound good?
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All scripture means all scripture, Your trying to use this scripture to prove something but it does not.
It does not mean the moral law helps us grow. You must put each scripture in its place.
The moral law had a purpose. Paul told us what that purpose was. Do you agree with paul or not?
Again, what purpose does the moral law have in the HS helping you grow?
Can you please answer this question and stop beating around the bush as they say
It does not mean the moral law helps us grow. You must put each scripture in its place.
The moral law had a purpose. Paul told us what that purpose was. Do you agree with paul or not?
Again, what purpose does the moral law have in the HS helping you grow?
Can you please answer this question and stop beating around the bush as they say
I done nothing of the sort. You must of forgot. We were in Romans. Here...
So once again in respects to Romans 10:4 Why rip that text out of the context it was written?
Start in 9:30 to let say verse 8 in chapter 10.
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (word) down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (word) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Rom 9:30-10:8 KJV)
!0:6-8 is a paraphrase of the words spoken in prophecy to Israel and now again to Israel and throughout the whole world.
And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
(Deu 30:6 KJV)
If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
(Deu 30:10-14 KJV)
The Word, God's commandments and statutes in the the heart and mouth through Christ is the Faith in which we preach Paul said. Israel did not have this faith. The majority refused it and were only trying to follow the letter of the law and not allowing it in the heart.
For Christ (the word, the law in the heart, mind and mouth) is the end of the law (written on tebles of stone and parchment) for righteousness to every one that believeth.
So once again in respects to Romans 10:4 Why rip that text out of the context it was written?
Start in 9:30 to let say verse 8 in chapter 10.
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (word) down from above
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (word) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;(Rom 9:30-10:8 KJV)
!0:6-8 is a paraphrase of the words spoken in prophecy to Israel and now again to Israel and throughout the whole world.
And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
(Deu 30:6 KJV)
If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
(Deu 30:10-14 KJV)
The Word, God's commandments and statutes in the the heart and mouth through Christ is the Faith in which we preach Paul said. Israel did not have this faith. The majority refused it and were only trying to follow the letter of the law and not allowing it in the heart.
For Christ (the word, the law in the heart, mind and mouth) is the end of the law (written on tebles of stone and parchment) for righteousness to every one that believeth.
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Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be
fulfilled.
The lawful use of the law is the condemnation of the wicked
But we also know the law is good, if a man use it usefully
God knows what is right, God knows what is wrong the law is there to guide us.
If someone says they do, but don’t, the law will point them out to us.
Paul the number 1 sinner . How does he know?
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be
fulfilled.
The lawful use of the law is the condemnation of the wicked
But we also know the law is good, if a man use it usefully
God knows what is right, God knows what is wrong the law is there to guide us.
If someone says they do, but don’t, the law will point them out to us.
Paul the number 1 sinner . How does he know?
1 Timothy
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
"FROM WHICH SOME HAVING SWERVED"
We have not swerved
THEREFORE THE REST OF THE VERSE DOES NOT EFFECT US, YOU WOULD NEED TO FIND "THE SOME HAVING SWERVED" AND PREACH VERSES TO THEM.
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
"FROM WHICH SOME HAVING SWERVED"
We have not swerved
THEREFORE THE REST OF THE VERSE DOES NOT EFFECT US, YOU WOULD NEED TO FIND "THE SOME HAVING SWERVED" AND PREACH VERSES TO THEM.
2 Corinthians 3
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God
HOW DOES BELIEVING the law is good and not done away with change that?
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
WE CAN NOT BE SAVED BY THE LAW, NOR ARE WE CLAIMING TO
HOW MANY TIMES must WE SAY WE ARE NOT until we are no longer accused of it? Can you not read and comprehend?
I believe ONLY SOMEONE WANTING TO SUBVERT GODS TRUTH WOULD DO THAT DAY AFTER DAY.
BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THE "LETTER OF THE LAW" IS WHAT SATAN WANTS US TO STAND BY BECAUSE IT IS NOT OF THE HEART. Follow the letter "not the spirit" is all Satans game.
HENCE IT IS WRITTEN UPON OUR HEART. SO WE ARE MINISTERS OF THE NEW TESTEMENT WHO BELIEVE THE LAW IS NOT GOING ANY WHERE
WHAT WAS THE VEIL THAT WAS TAKEN AWAY? THE VEIL between us and GOD. Washed clean upon repentance. Talk to God
THE VEIL IS UPON THOSE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT WHO AND WHAT was done for us and what was not.
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God
HOW DOES BELIEVING the law is good and not done away with change that?
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
WE CAN NOT BE SAVED BY THE LAW, NOR ARE WE CLAIMING TO
HOW MANY TIMES must WE SAY WE ARE NOT until we are no longer accused of it? Can you not read and comprehend?
I believe ONLY SOMEONE WANTING TO SUBVERT GODS TRUTH WOULD DO THAT DAY AFTER DAY.
BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THE "LETTER OF THE LAW" IS WHAT SATAN WANTS US TO STAND BY BECAUSE IT IS NOT OF THE HEART. Follow the letter "not the spirit" is all Satans game.
HENCE IT IS WRITTEN UPON OUR HEART. SO WE ARE MINISTERS OF THE NEW TESTEMENT WHO BELIEVE THE LAW IS NOT GOING ANY WHERE
WHAT WAS THE VEIL THAT WAS TAKEN AWAY? THE VEIL between us and GOD. Washed clean upon repentance. Talk to God
THE VEIL IS UPON THOSE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT WHO AND WHAT was done for us and what was not.