Did Jesus Forgive Us All Our Sins; Past/Present/Future
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you are confusing salvation with sanctification
you are creating a salvation clause that does not exist. what you say is correct in that we are saved through our faith in Christ and we continue the same way, BUT it is not our faith that saves us. It is Christ's ultimate sacrifice on the cross on our behalf that has allowed us to enter into fellowship with God, through the blood of His Son
God saves to the uttermost all those who belong to Him
As Paul puts it:
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written:
“For Your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.
37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.
38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Let's not confuse salvation with sanctification. People who do that, eventually credit themselves with 'working to keep salvation' It's subtle. Don't do it!
Jesus had a lot to say about sanctification in John 17. In verse 16 the Lord says, “They are not of the world, even as I am not of it,” and this is before His request: “Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth” (verse 17). In Christian theology, sanctification is a state of separation unto God; all believers enter into this state when they are born of God: “You are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption” (1 Corinthians 1:30, ESV). The sanctification mentioned in this verse is a once-for-ever separation of believers unto God. It is a work God performs, an intricate part of our salvation and our connection with Christ (Hebrews 10:10). Theologians sometimes refer to this state of holiness before God as “positional” sanctification; it is the same as justification.
While we are positionally holy (“set free from every sin” by the blood of Christ, Acts 13:39), we know that we still sin (1 John 1:10). That’s why the Bible also refers to sanctification as a practical experience of our separation unto God. “Progressive” or “experiential” sanctification, as it is sometimes called, is the effect of obedience to the Word of God in one’s life. It is the same as growing in the Lord (2 Peter 3:18) or spiritual maturity. God started the work of making us like Christ, and He is continuing it (Philippians 1:6). This type of sanctification is to be pursued by the believer earnestly (1 Peter 1:15; Hebrews 12:14) and is effected by the application of the Word (John 17:17). Progressive sanctification has in view the setting apart of believers for the purpose for which they are sent into the world: “As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified” (John 17:18–19). That Jesus set Himself apart for God’s purpose is both the basis and the condition of our being set apart (see John 10:36). We are sanctified and sent because Jesus was. Our Lord’s sanctification is the pattern of and power for our own. The sending and the sanctifying are inseparable. On this account we are called “saints” (hagioi in the Greek), or “sanctified ones.” Prior to salvation, our behavior bore witness to our standing in the world in separation from God, but now our behavior should bear witness to our standing before God in separation from the world. Little by little, every day, “those who are being sanctified” (Hebrews 10:14, ESV) are becoming more like Christ.
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Jesus had a lot to say about sanctification in John 17. In verse 16 the Lord says, “They are not of the world, even as I am not of it,” and this is before His request: “Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth” (verse 17). In Christian theology, sanctification is a state of separation unto God; all believers enter into this state when they are born of God: “You are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption” (1 Corinthians 1:30, ESV). The sanctification mentioned in this verse is a once-for-ever separation of believers unto God. It is a work God performs, an intricate part of our salvation and our connection with Christ (Hebrews 10:10). Theologians sometimes refer to this state of holiness before God as “positional” sanctification; it is the same as justification.
While we are positionally holy (“set free from every sin” by the blood of Christ, Acts 13:39), we know that we still sin (1 John 1:10). That’s why the Bible also refers to sanctification as a practical experience of our separation unto God. “Progressive” or “experiential” sanctification, as it is sometimes called, is the effect of obedience to the Word of God in one’s life. It is the same as growing in the Lord (2 Peter 3:18) or spiritual maturity. God started the work of making us like Christ, and He is continuing it (Philippians 1:6). This type of sanctification is to be pursued by the believer earnestly (1 Peter 1:15; Hebrews 12:14) and is effected by the application of the Word (John 17:17). Progressive sanctification has in view the setting apart of believers for the purpose for which they are sent into the world: “As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified” (John 17:18–19). That Jesus set Himself apart for God’s purpose is both the basis and the condition of our being set apart (see John 10:36). We are sanctified and sent because Jesus was. Our Lord’s sanctification is the pattern of and power for our own. The sending and the sanctifying are inseparable. On this account we are called “saints” (hagioi in the Greek), or “sanctified ones.” Prior to salvation, our behavior bore witness to our standing in the world in separation from God, but now our behavior should bear witness to our standing before God in separation from the world. Little by little, every day, “those who are being sanctified” (Hebrews 10:14, ESV) are becoming more like Christ.
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What if you don't get caught? How about Solomon? Makes me wonder about his books and whether we are to understand something about worldly wisdom in a 'different', maybe worldly way, from 'Godly' wisdom? Seems certain parables are a bit difficult to understand without considering the deceitfulness of the heart and maybe there is a connection here with Solomon's seeming 'hypocritical' ways.
(Hypocrisy.......the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.)
I am not that familiar with what exactly happened with Solomon or most of the people in the OT and whether that signifies? I also have noticed that what seems to be a straight forward or relatively simple question is never just that simple and I realize that things of the Spirit can only be discerned by being in the proper relationship with God and so as I don't claim to always be so maybe this is just what I'm missing here. Maybe it's because I came to accept Jesus as my Savior very late in life and have sinned so much that I couldn't count them if I had many multiples of appendages. And also never was 'caught' for many of them. Certainly is 'puzzling'!!! I 'feel' forgiven but also 'damned'.
(Hypocrisy.......the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.)
I am not that familiar with what exactly happened with Solomon or most of the people in the OT and whether that signifies? I also have noticed that what seems to be a straight forward or relatively simple question is never just that simple and I realize that things of the Spirit can only be discerned by being in the proper relationship with God and so as I don't claim to always be so maybe this is just what I'm missing here. Maybe it's because I came to accept Jesus as my Savior very late in life and have sinned so much that I couldn't count them if I had many multiples of appendages. And also never was 'caught' for many of them. Certainly is 'puzzling'!!! I 'feel' forgiven but also 'damned'.
My understanding of the scriptures on this subject is: Jesus died on the cross for all of those that his Father gave him, for the remission of their sins. As far as their eternal inheritance is concerned, they cannot commit any sin that will prevent them from losing their inheritance. God looks upon them as holy, and without blame, and says that their sins are as far away from him as the east is from the west. However the scriptures teach us that even though we have our eternal inheritance secured, and are born again, we still do carry the baggage of our sins by inheriting the sin of Adam. Paul tells us about this concept in Romans 7:18-25.
I agree, there is no sin, or series of sins even, that will cause us to lose our hope of salvation. This is good, since our salvation is predicated on faith, and not our actions.
However, the scripture is very, very clear that we must hold fast our faith to the end. It's not their actions that will cause a person to lose their salvation, but losing or renouncing their faith. If salvation is by faith, how could a just God allow someone, who once had faith but later turned their back on the Lord and their faith, be saved?
I already know the standard answer: That person never had saving faith to begin with . . . yada, yada, yada. But that's not what the New Testament teaches. If you choose to believe otherwise, that's on you.
However, the scripture is very, very clear that we must hold fast our faith to the end. It's not their actions that will cause a person to lose their salvation, but losing or renouncing their faith. If salvation is by faith, how could a just God allow someone, who once had faith but later turned their back on the Lord and their faith, be saved?
I already know the standard answer: That person never had saving faith to begin with . . . yada, yada, yada. But that's not what the New Testament teaches. If you choose to believe otherwise, that's on you.
Jesus was effective in remitting the sins of all of those that his Father gave him. However they will commit sins as they sojourn here in this world that will affect them here in this world, but will not prevent them from their eternal inheritance.
"The Kingdom of God" does not reference eternal heaven, but references Christ's church here on earth. By church discipline some of those that have eternal inheritance, will not be accepted as members of Christ's visible church.
"The Kingdom of God" does not reference eternal heaven, but references Christ's church here on earth. By church discipline some of those that have eternal inheritance, will not be accepted as members of Christ's visible church.
What jesus thaught applies to everyone!!!
The Great Commission
Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway,even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Peace!
JF
The Great Commission
Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway,even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Peace!
JF
What scripture are you basing your statement "If salvation is by faith"?
Eph 2:8 says for by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves. The faith in this scripture is not mankind's faith, but is the faithfulness of Jesus going to the cross. We are justified by the faith of Jesus Christ (Gal 2:16).
Christ's death on the cross remitted the sins of all of those that God gave him, and no sin that they may commit will keep them from their eternal inheritance in heaven.
Either it is written under inspiration or not. As I read and meditate on the books Solomon wrote they appear God-breathed to me.
There are no sinless authors of scripture. Do you trust the Psalms of David. He was an adulterer and murderer.
Do you trust the books written by Moses? He too was a murderer.
There are no sinless authors of scripture. Do you trust the Psalms of David. He was an adulterer and murderer.
Do you trust the books written by Moses? He too was a murderer.
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