Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?

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To be consistent then, you must believe that Jesus sinned, because "all sinned". Yet Jesus was "without sin".

Case closed. Have a lovely weekend. :)
In the context of Rom 5:12 "all sinned" does not mean all including Jesus committed sins. It means that since we all humanity were in Adam when he committed sin, received the curse of physical death, and passed it on to us in our human nature. Jesus' physical death proves He had this sin nature He received from His mother.
 

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the nature of God is triune, not the physical distinction. Paul made that clear in Colossians 1:15

He [Yeshua] is the VISIBLE image of the INVISIBLE God!!

this verse here proves Yeshua is both the physical [visible] and invisible image of who we know as Yahweh. which makes Yeshua the Father and the Son!! and we know Yeshua also was full of the Holy Spirit since He was the Anointed ONE. that puts the 3 natures of God ALL within Yeshua. you cannot make that claim for the Father nor the Holy Ghost, only for Yeshua!!
God is triune and always has been triune, the physical body of Christ did not change it.

Jesus was talking to Father, He came from Father and again returned to Father. So he is not Father. Simple.
 

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God is triune and always has been triune, the physical body of Christ did not change it.

Jesus was talking to Father, He came from Father and again returned to Father. So he is not Father. Simple.
He came to show us how to pray to and be like the Father. but in reality, He was showing us to pray to and be like Him.
 

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He came to show us how to pray to and be like the Father. but in reality, He was showing us to be like Him.
I do not believe that Jesus was a liar, so when He was talking to Father, I believe that He was really talking to Father and not just pretending.
 
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If you wish to build a doctrine, it is imperative that all relevant Scriptures be brought together. What does "in all things" (translated here as "in every respect") mean?

All it means that Jesus of Nazareth, who had descended from Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, and David, was fully human, and a Jew under the Law of Moses, therefore subject to the Law. "His brothers" (or His brethren) means His Jewish brethren, not His immediate family.

It does NOT mean that He could, or would sin, or had a tainted sin nature like every other human being. That is already EXCLUDED by this verse: For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. (Heb 4:15)

Does this mean that the God-Man was tempted to sin, but would not sin, or does it mean that the God-Man had nothing within Him which could or would respond to temptation? If we believe that Jesus is God (and that is exactly what Scripture says), then we must apply these Scriptures to Him as much as to the Father and the Holy Spirit: Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man... This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. (James 1:13; 1 John 1:5)

Does anyone see the foolishness of those who imagine that Jesus of Nazareth was anything less than the God-Man, and that He could therefore tell the Jews that He was their God -- the "I AM" of Exodus?
Heb 4:15 means Jesus did not yield when tempted and sinned. It does not mean He was not made like us in every way Heb 2:17 including our adamic fallen sin nature.
 
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This being your thread starter point, how about you post the scripture that reports Jesus had a sin nature. You imply he did so with the opening post and the passage from Hebrews 2. Later in this thread you claim Jesus had a sin nature he just avoided sinning.
The way such professions are to work is, you accepting that the onus is upon you to prove your points that you're stating.
As in , Jesus had a sin nature he just didn't sin. In order to substantiate that claim you'd have to prove it is arrived at through scripture.

Please post all that applies to sustain those aforementioned claims.
I did.
 

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I do not believe that Jesus was a liar, so when He was talking to Father, I believe that He was really talking to Father and not just pretending.

He would not be pretending. His goal was to teach us and give us the Gospel. and if you notice, the Gospel is all about Him, and no one else.
 
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As an assist to this discussion I thought it might help to provide one source I found that reports , with scripture, what the "sin nature" is. This so that we may proceed from that point of understanding as pertains to its description through Biblical sources.

God Questions: What is the sin nature?
Question: "What is the sin nature?"

Answer: The sin nature is that aspect in man that makes him rebellious against God. When we speak of the sin nature, we refer to the fact that we have a natural inclination to sin; given the choice to do God’s will or our own, we will naturally choose to do our own thing.

Proof of the sin nature abounds. No one has to teach a child to lie or be selfish; rather, we go to great lengths to teach children to tell the truth and put others first. Sinful behavior comes naturally. The news is filled with tragic examples of mankind acting badly. Wherever people are, there is trouble. Charles Spurgeon said, “As the salt flavors every drop in the Atlantic, so does sin affect every atom of our nature. It is so sadly there, so abundantly there, that if you cannot detect it, you are deceived.”

The Bible explains the reason for the trouble. Humanity is sinful, not just in theory or in practice but by nature. Sin is part of the very fiber of our being. The Bible speaks of “sinful flesh” in Romans 8:3. It’s our “earthly nature” that produces the list of sins in Colossians 3:5. And Romans 6:6 speaks of “the body ruled by sin.” The flesh-and-blood existence we lead on this earth is shaped by our sinful, corrupt nature.

The sin nature is universal in humanity. All of us have a sinful nature, and it affects every part of us. This is the doctrine of total depravity, and it is biblical. All of us have gone astray (Isaiah 53:6). Paul admits that “the trouble is with me, for I am all too human, a slave to sin” (Romans 7:14). Paul was in his “sinful nature a slave to the law of sin” (Romans 7:25). Solomon concurs: “Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, / no one who does what is right and never sins” (Ecclesiastes 7:20). The apostle John perhaps puts it most bluntly: “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us” (1 John 1:8).

Even children have a sin nature. David rues the fact that he was born with sin already at work within him: “Surely I was sinful at birth, / sinful from the time my mother conceived me” (Psalm 51:5). Elsewhere, David states, “Even from birth the wicked go astray; / from the womb they are wayward, spreading lies” (Psalm 58:3).

Where did the sin nature come from? Scripture says that God created humans good and without a sinful nature: “God created man in His own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them” (Genesis 1:27). However, Genesis 3 records the disobedience of Adam and Eve. By that one action, sin entered into their nature. They were immediately stricken with a sense of shame and unfitness, and they hid from God’s presence (Genesis 3:8). When they had children, Adam’s image and likeness was passed along to his offspring (Genesis 5:3). The sin nature manifested itself early in the genealogy: the very first child born to Adam and Eve, Cain, became the very first murderer (Genesis 4:8).

From generation to generation, the sin nature was passed down to all of humanity: “Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned” (Romans 5:12). This verse also presents the unsettling truth that the sin nature leads inexorably to death (see also Romans 6:23 and Ephesians 2:1).

Other consequences of the sin nature are hostility toward God and ignorance of His truth. Paul says, “The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God” (Romans 8:7–8). Also, “the person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit” (1 Corinthians 2:14).

There is only one Person in the history of the world who did not have a sin nature: Jesus Christ. His virgin birthallowed Him to enter our world while bypassing the curse passed down from Adam. Jesus then lived a sinless life of absolute perfection. He was “the Holy and Righteous One” (Acts 3:14) who “had no sin” (2 Corinthians 5:21). This allowed Jesus to be sacrificed on the cross as our perfect substitute, “a lamb without blemish or defect” (1 Peter 1:19). John Calvin puts it in perspective: “For certainly, Christ is much more powerful to save than Adam was to ruin.”

It is through Christ that we are born again. “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit” (John 3:6). When we are born of Adam, we inherit his sin nature; but when we are born again in Christ, we inherit a new nature: “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!” (2 Corinthians 5:17).

We don’t lose our sin nature once we receive Christ. The Bible says that sin remains in us and that a struggle with that old nature will continue as long as we are in this world. Paul bemoaned his own personal struggle in Romans 7:15–25. But we have help in the battle—divine help. The Spirit of God takes up residence in each believer and supplies the power we need to overcome the pull of the sin nature within us. “No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God” (1 John 3:9). God’s ultimate plan for us is total sanctification when we see Christ (1 Thessalonians 3:13; 1 John 3:2).

Through His finished work on the cross, Jesus satisfied God’s wrath against sin and provided believers with victory over their sin nature: “‘He himself bore our sins’ in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness” (1 Peter 2:24). In His resurrection, Jesus offers life to everyone bound by corrupt flesh. Those who are born again now have this command: “Count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus” (Romans 6:11).

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Charles Ryrie says nothing in natural man has merit with God. I already debunked that when I posted what the angel told Mary.
 
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Here is yet another article. As we may all have already surmised, this is a very important and likely oft asked question among the church.
Did Jesus Have a Sin Nature?

[\\]The short answer to your question is: No, Jesus did not inherit the sin nature from Adam. Jesus came to succeed where Adam failed. Jesus is called the "last Adam" (1 Corinthians 15:45
) and the "second man" (1 Corinthians 15:47
). Jesus testified that He came "to seek and to save that which was lost" (Luke 19:10
). What was lost in Adam was to be won in Jesus Christ. However, in order to do this, he only needed to start where Adam started, not where he ended.

Much of the purpose of the virgin birth was to allow Jesus to be fully human but without the Adamic nature. Joseph was "the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ" (Matthew 1:16
). Joseph was not the father of Jesus. Jesus did not receive the sinful nature of Joseph. However, He was born in the natural body and in the full likeness of sinful flesh. Romans 8:3
states, "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh." He was born in the flesh, but the inner sin nature was not His nature. He was only born in the "likeness" of sinful flesh. If He had had a sin nature, John could not have said of Him, "in him is no sin" (1 John 3:5
) and Paul could not have spoken of Him as the one "who knew no sin" (2 Corinthians 5:21). More reading: http://www.learnthebible.org/did-jesus-have-a-sin-nature.html
Jesus received the sinful nature of Mary Gen 3:15. He was the son of Mary Luke 1:31.
 

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He would not be pretending. His goal was to teach us and give us the Gospel. and if you notice, the Gospel is all about Him, and no one else.
The talking to Father would be pretending, because He acted in the way that Father is a different person.

Also, apostles would be liars:
"The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father"
J 1:14
 
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Here is yet another article. As we may all have already surmised, this is a very important and likely oft asked question among the church.
Did Jesus Have a Sin Nature?

[\\]The short answer to your question is: No, Jesus did not inherit the sin nature from Adam. Jesus came to succeed where Adam failed. Jesus is called the "last Adam" (1 Corinthians 15:45
) and the "second man" (1 Corinthians 15:47
). Jesus testified that He came "to seek and to save that which was lost" (Luke 19:10
). What was lost in Adam was to be won in Jesus Christ. However, in order to do this, he only needed to start where Adam started, not where he ended.

Much of the purpose of the virgin birth was to allow Jesus to be fully human but without the Adamic nature. Joseph was "the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ" (Matthew 1:16
). Joseph was not the father of Jesus. Jesus did not receive the sinful nature of Joseph. However, He was born in the natural body and in the full likeness of sinful flesh. Romans 8:3
states, "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh." He was born in the flesh, but the inner sin nature was not His nature. He was only born in the "likeness" of sinful flesh. If He had had a sin nature, John could not have said of Him, "in him is no sin" (1 John 3:5
) and Paul could not have spoken of Him as the one "who knew no sin" (2 Corinthians 5:21). More reading: http://www.learnthebible.org/did-jesus-have-a-sin-nature.html
The phrase "knew no sin" means He never sinned, not that He didn't have the fallen adamic sin nature. We know He did because He died.

For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ.
2 Corinthians 5:21 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/2co.5.21.NLT
 

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a. He disrobed himself of the Glory he had with the Father
b. He took upon him the form of a servant
c. He came in the LIKENESS of sinful flesh (the ability to sin, but did no sin)
d. He took our sin upon himself
e. He became a curse for us (Galatians)
f. He was temporarily forsaken by the Father as he hung on the tree (cross)
g. He imputes his righteousness through faith eternally

Many people blow right though the fact that JESUS told the young ruler....

Why do you call me GOOD, there are NONE GOOD but GOD......<---he said this because of the above.....
He said that because it was GOD that worked in Him both to will and do HIS good pleasure. He took no credit. He said, "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
(Joh 14:10 KJV)
 

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The phrase "knew no sin" means He never sinned, not that He didn't have the fallen adamic sin nature. We know He did because He died.

For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ.
2 Corinthians 5:21 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/2co.5.21.NLT
He that knoweth to to good and does it not; to him it is sin.
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
(Heb 5:8-9 KJV)
 

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He would not be pretending. His goal was to teach us and give us the Gospel. and if you notice, the Gospel is all about Him, and no one else.
The Gospel is all about certain relationship.
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
(Joh 17:2-3 KJV)
 

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Sin nature is a having a spirit that is separated from GOD (spiritual death). .
We are not separated from GOD until we sin. We are not born separated from GOD
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not; the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
That which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Divinity; so that they are without excuse:

(Joh 1:1-5,9; Rom 1:18-21 )

In Him; the Word which was GOD is life and this life is the light of man that lighteth every man that cometh into this world.
 

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You really don't think very deeply about what you say. Children sin well before they reach the age of accountability.

What cult are you a part of that produced the study that you are reading from? I tried to find this teaching on Assembly of GOD websites, but they don't teach this confused doctrine that you're teaching.
Which cult are you from? Antagonize much? A little leaven leavens the whole. You got the market on all truth? Do you know everything?
No.......
 
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The phrase "knew no sin" means He never sinned, not that He didn't have the fallen adamic sin nature. We know He did because He died.

For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ.
2 Corinthians 5:21 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/2co.5.21.NLT
Adam would have died even if he hadn't sinned if he had been denied access to the tree of life. Man was not made to be immortal in and of himself. Once he was denied acesss to the tree of life he began to physically die.
 
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We are not separated from GOD until we sin. We are not born separated from GOD
This is quite false. Adam's offspring are made in his full image with a spirit separated from GOD (spiritual death). That is why we sin. From his marred nature he had no ability to give any of his children a perfect spirit in full union with GOD.
 

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This is quite false. Adam's offspring are made in his full image with a spirit separated from GOD (spiritual death). That is why we sin. From his marred nature he had no ability to give any of his children a perfect spirit in full union with GOD.
If we were separated Spiritually from GOD we would cease to exist. He rains down on the just and unjust; Blessed be the name of the LORD!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not; the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
That which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Divinity; so that they are without excuse:

(Joh 1:1-5,9; Rom 1:18-21 )

In Him; the Word which was GOD is life and this life is the light of man that lighteth every man that cometh into this world.