Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?

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In other words you are conceding that you have no argument. Good bye.
Not at all....just stating a fact that I am not going to argue with the absurdity of your denial of the obvious truth that the sin nature comes from man.....
 

jb

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Which proves that sinful nature is not something intrinsic to the flesh...
Try reading Ezek chapter 18 with Isaiah 53v6.

Each person dies spiritually for their OWN sin, not that of some ancestor, and each is not born astray, BUT goes astray!

Each child comes into the world with a soul and spirit untainted by sin, so that Christ could say, "Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven." Matt 19v14.
 
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...you seem to suggest that the question of Jesus having a sin nature is subjective.
No, I'm not suggesting that. I just know that many people are very insistent that simply having a flesh body is to have the sin nature. But we can see from scripture (and from the personal experience of being born again) that the old (creation) is gone and the new creation is here, despite the fact that we still have a flesh body that sins, so we know the old nature is not the flesh itself.

"17Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!"-2 Corinthians 5:17

And we know from Romans 8 that this 'newness' is the new man deep inside the very core of our spirit. It thinks different, it wants different, it is different. The old you that used to be there is no longer there. Jesus did not have the old to begin with. He always had what is to us the new man deep inside of him.
 

jb

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Try reading Ezek chapter 18 with Isaiah 53v6.

Each person dies spiritually for their OWN sin, not that of some ancestor, and each is not born astray, BUT goes astray!

Each child comes into the world with a soul and spirit untainted by sin, so that Christ could say, "Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven." Matt 19v14.
Should also say that the effect of Adam's sin is found in the flesh, NOT the soul or spirit, which are a direct creation by God! Eccl 12v7, Isaiah 57v16, Rom 7v18, 8v3, Gal 5v19-21, 1Thess 5v23
 

Ahwatukee

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If He didn't then how could this be true?:

Therefore, it was necessary for him to be made in every respect like us, his brothers and sisters, so that he could be our merciful and faithful High Priest before God. Then he could offer a sacrifice that would take away the sins of the people. Since he himself has gone through suffering and testing, he is able to help us when we are being tested.
Hebrews 2:17‭-‬18 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/heb.2.17-18.NLT
If Jesus had a sinful nature, then would all still be in our sins and this Christian site wouldn't exist.
 
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As per usual, you're out on a limb theologically speaking. Have you considered Biblical study, under a solid teacher, and less time trying to teach others? I offer this advice in concern as your much typing equates to much error.
Blah, blah, blah. Do you have anything of substance to contribute?
 
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Try reading Ezek chapter 18 with Isaiah 53v6.

Each person dies spiritually for their OWN sin, not that of some ancestor, and each is not born astray, BUT goes astray!

Each child comes into the world with a soul and spirit untainted by sin, so that Christ could say, "Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven." Matt 19v14.
But consider the fact that we all, including Jesus, physically die proves we are all tainted by sin in our human nature:
Still, everyone died—from the time of Adam to the time of Moses—even those who did not disobey an explicit commandment of God, as Adam did. ...
Romans 5:14 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.5.14.NLT
 

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Wouldn't an unlawful execution be a murder?

But it doesn't matter that much.

He gave his life for us.
An unlawful execution is definitely murder. You are right on the first and give proper focus to the second. :)
 
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Wouldn't an unlawful execution be a murder?

But it doesn't matter that much.

He gave his life for us.
But does not the fact He physically died prove his human nature was tainted by sin?
 

shrume

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In his humanity, he was a man, and men can be killed.

Nobody knows how long Jesus would have lived if he had not been crucified. Personally, I wonder about it sometimes, but it's really pointless.. :)

He came the first time to die for our sins. He'll come the second time in power and glory.
 
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jaybird88

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The bible states as much....for by ONE man sin entered........exactly why Jesus was born of the woman overshadowed by the Holy Spirit....if he had had an earthly father he would have been born in sin......
so had Jesus been born with the up hill battle like all the rest of us would He have sinned?