Did Jesus pour His blood on the mercy seat before Father in heaven?

[Meggido]

The only thing the blood of Jesus does is ransom/redeem/deliver you from powers of darkness and for the forgiveness of SIN.

ransom/redeem/deliver is not protection. The blood line at Goshen did not protect them from the destroyer angel, it delivered them from the destroyer angel, because death passed over them [Exodus 12] when I see the blood.

How we get into pleading the blood for health, wealth and protection is beyond me.

The Bible is clear what the blood of Jesus did/does...Forgiveness of SIN and the ransom/redeeming/delivering you from powers of darkness.

The only time I could see "pleading " the blood is for people who are not saved.

 

[Locutus]

I plead the 5th...

 

[stonesoffire]

The same as the High Priest going in to the holy of holies,once a year to atone for the sins of Israel as a nation,and put the blood on the mercy seat,but the blood of Jesus is once for all.

That is why Jesus said to Mary,do not touch Me for I have not yet ascended to My Father.He could not be touched until he went to heaven,and when He came back Thomas put His hand in His side,and his finger in the holes of His hands,and said,my Lord and my God.

Jesus said the law shall not pass until all be fulfilled,which Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament,for He was the perfect sacrifice,perfect saint,perfect King,perfect High Priest,perfect Judge,fulfilled the 10 commandments,and the laws of love,and moral laws,bieng sinless,perfect mediator,,and He had to fulfill the Old Testament tabernacle plan,and is the bread of heaven,and blood that washes away sins once for all,and does not have to be shed year after year like in the Old Testament.

Amen...great post Matt. We hear a lot about Jesus fulfilling the law, but He did actually fulfill all things of the OT. It's a great study to do...I've only touched on the fringe of this so far.

Thank you. Have you applied other scriptures to these truths for more revelation? What I mean by this...I see the cry of mercy so clearly...His mercies are new every morning. A truth of the character of Father shown in Jesus. Theres' so much to see if we just look.

 

[Grace777x70]

I plead the 5th...

Lol..are you "really saying - you "plead it 5x times " - just in case the first one didn't work?

 

[stonesoffire]

leviticus 16, explains what the mercy seat was used for regarding the blood of atonement. the shedding of blood in the ot, was a foreshadow of what Jesus would do for us. the animals blood never had the forgiveness in it, when they slaughtered a bull, and goat thier forgiveness was still based on Jesus blood. the entire ot is that way. its a pattern of what Jesus would do, to really understand it, we need to look at the process they did. it wasnt only the shedding of blood that was involved, but the transfer of thier sin onto the animal first. when thay did that, then the animal was put to death for thier sin. "the life is in the blood" so really saying the blood of Jesus, were talking about His life that was shed for us.

it becomes very personal when our sins are transferred onto the Lamb of atonement ( Jesus) and when this occurs repentance is something we need to accept and move into, because the reality of Jesus dying for the sins we have commited becomes a revealtion, and His suffering, shame, tears and agony are placed on Him because of the persons sins. the knowledge of things like you began here is very important to have a full understanding of, to really grasp the cross, we need to look back to the pattern of the Law. and then we find a tenderness of Heart for the One who did what He did willingly, and on our behalf.

Something I saw some years back is that the sacrifices were under the age of three. If you go back into the roots of the words you see the innocence because the nature of the mature "beast" had not yet been acted out of. I don't know if it's important but is interesting. I see Jesus in this.

 

[followjesus]

Jesus's blood is the symbol of his life given for us. We are not to eat or drink blood because
it has life within it.

For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.
Lev 17:11

The blood of Christ is the atoning sacrifice, so it is the essential part of the
cross.

Blood is significant enough for christians being banned from eating it by
the apostles.

You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality
Acts 15:29

I found this interesting as black pudding is dried blood, a sinful practice.

amen and isnt it profound when you think of John ch6 what Jesus is saying about eating His flesh and drinking His blood, with the understanding you are showing here? pretty easy to see why many disciples couldnt accept this teaching and turned back from following at that time. and also, what a reflection of the passover lamb in the days of isreals deliverance from egypt. what Jesus did goes really deep into the things in the laws pattern of atonement.

 

[followjesus]

Something I saw some years back is that the sacrifices were under the age of three. If you go back into the roots of the words you see the innocence because the nature of the mature "beast" had not yet been acted out of. I don't know if it's important but is interesting. I see Jesus in this.

im sure there is some importance into that, the pure spotless animals, innocent. its interesting that when the false prophets began being common place in the ot, they began offering crippled and blind offerings rather than according to the principles of the book of the Law. Good post and subject, i hope we can all really consider the issue with humility and contemplation, its an important one for certain.

God bless i will be checking this post often while its being diccussed to try and learn a bit more from some of you guys, always good insight on this site from many people.

 

[stonesoffire]

It is the shedding of the Lord Jesus' blood that obtained an eternal redemption for us. Behold the Lamb of God which takes away the sin of the world.

Hebrews 9:11-12 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

[SUP]12 [/SUP] Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.


Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,


[SUP]14 [/SUP] in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Now...the real question is: Are we going to "confess" - which means to say the same thing as what our Father says about us because we are in Christ and He is in us?

1 John 4:15-18 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.


[SUP]16 [/SUP] We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.

[SUP]17 [/SUP] By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world.

[SUP]18 [/SUP] There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love.

Amen..

~1Jn 4:13
　 This is how we know that we abide in him and he in us: he has given us his Spirit.　

~
Rom 8:16　 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children.　

His Word and Holy Spirit all work together for truth.

 

[stonesoffire]

Heb 9.24-28; 10.11-22; 13.!2

Thank you! I was looking for this scripture and had forgotten where it was found.

~Heb 9:12　 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with his own blood he went into the Most Holy Place once for all and secured our eternal redemption.　

Do you have something to add?...these chapters in Hebrews has much to see.

 

[stonesoffire]

It is the shedding of the Lord Jesus' blood that obtained an eternal redemption for us. Behold the Lamb of God which takes away the sin of the world.

Hebrews 9:11-12 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

[SUP]12 [/SUP] Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.


Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,


[SUP]14 [/SUP] in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Now...the real question is: Are we going to "confess" - which means to say the same thing as what our Father says about us because we are in Christ and He is in us?

1 John 4:15-18 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.


[SUP]16 [/SUP] We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.

[SUP]17 [/SUP] By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world.

[SUP]18 [/SUP] There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love.

Speaks of the security of the believer to me...true?

 

[Johnny_B]

I have heard the phrase "plead the blood" from the Pentecostal church I went to after I believed in the Lord. They had nothing to do with Kenyon. It's a Pentecostal belief. I personally don't believe in the phrase myself but I don't berate people that do believe it either.

I personally believe Kenyon's understanding of the 2 kinds of righteousness is basic Christianity. The gospel of the grace of God in Christ has been so watered down now that when the truth shows up - we are against it because of our church teachings and traditions.

Who said anything about Pentecostals? If berating is bring Scripture to show what the Bible mean by a phrase, then PC movement has over taken the Church. As far as Kenyon, even JW's have doctrine that is right, like the one that throws off most Christian. We are not going to be in heaven, we will be in the New Heaven and New Earth, worshiping in the New Jerusalem. The JW's have that doctrine that right, does that mean we should stop warning people or speaking out against them?

I believed lots of what Kenyon taught, it's been so long ago, can you remind me what he teaches on two kinds of righteousness, so we can un-water the Gospel of the grace of God in Christ? Because there can only be one righteousness that is right, there can't be two righteousness of Christ that are both right, if I'm understanding you right, can you clarify what you are saying.

 

[Grace777x70]

Speaks of the security of the believer to me...true?

I agree...eternal redemption means just that - eternal redemption because Christ is in us and He said that the Holy Spirit will be in us forever. John 14:16 - All because of the love, mercy and grace of the Lord and He purchased our redemption with His own blood and life.

Unfortunately in some people's minds - eternal does not mean eternal. And it doesn't depend on what Christ has already done - it depends on what "you" do.

 

[stonesoffire]

The Bible has given us instructions as to what the blood is in Leviticus 17:10-14 ‘And whatever man of the house of Israel, or of the strangers who dwell among you, who eats any blood, I will set My face against that person who eats blood, and will cut him off from among his people. 11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’ 12 Therefore I said to the children of Israel, ‘No one among you shall eat blood, nor shall any stranger who dwells among you eat blood.’ 13 “Whatever man of the children of Israel, or of the strangers who dwell among you, who hunts and catches any animal or bird that may be eaten, he shall pour out its blood and cover it with dust; 14 for it is the life of all flesh. Its blood sustains its life. Therefore I said to the children of Israel, ‘You shall not eat the blood of any flesh, for the life of all flesh is its blood. Whoever eats it shall be cut off.’


The word blood mean life, the blood of Jesus is the life of Jesus, why don't people plead the life of Jesus, because that what the meaning of blood in the Bible means, when talking about blood. Abel's blood cried out from the ground. The is saying that Abel's life is crying out.

Hebrews 9:13-15 For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, 14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

As for the life of Abel in Hebrew 12:22-24 "But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

The writer of Hebrews also says the redemption is by means of death, yet the blood of Christ was offered by the eternal Spirit to the Father. Blood is simply saying life through death, how else do you get the blood from living flesh? There is not mystical meaning behind it and only the super spiritual understand it. Pleading the blood of Jesus and all the other blood stuff outside of what Leviticus teaches all came for the teaching of E. W. Kenyon in his book, The blood Covenant, Two kinds of Faith, Two kinds of Knowledge and What happened from the Cross to the Throne, I read all of those and others of his. Which got me stirred up and believe all types of non-sense. He was a eastern mysticism teacher masked in Christianity.

He had heavy influence on all the WoF leaders. That's why they always teach how we are gods, in the sense that we are gods like God, with the clean up of under God. I know the Bible says you are gods, in Psalm 82:6 and Jesus quoted it, look at what it says, it's self explanatory when read in context "I said, “You are gods, and all of you are children of the Most High. 7 But you shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.” 8 Arise, O God, judge the earth; for You shall inherit all nations.

It describes God as judge of the earth, and the children of Israel were gods as in children of God, that's why Jesus quoted it, He was expressing that they are sons or children of God, why it is blasphemy for Him to be the Son of God, with testimony of the works of God. But Kenyon and his followers the WoF group. Have changed this to mean that they have the same authority as the Lord, why do you think they have such a low view of the Lord to the point that they speak to Him as if He is subject to them and not they to Him. The their praying with the words "Lord I command you" That whole phase is self defeating, if He is your LORD how can you command Him? What they are really saying is lord WE command you. Because the way it really works is the LORD​ commands us and we obey, not the other way around.

Johnny...I would like to look at the content of your post but not in this thread. Would you like to start a new one about your concerns? I would participate. Not saying I have any understanding...Just would like to know myself.

Jesus has instructed us to "eat His body, drink His blood". It's a symbolical way of saying to partake of His life..and much to see in this as to how we do it. The communion ritual we do in the churches is important, but this goes beyond the ritual.

There is life in His blood. No death. Death and disease tendencies in our blood and the blood of animals. But, none in His.

 

[stonesoffire]

We know that Jesus sprinkled his spiritual blood on the spiritual mercy seat because Aaron did it in the physical realm. The question should be, what is spiritual blood and the spiritual mercy seat.

Gods DNA?

I have a question here. Did the heavens have to be cleansed? I've heard this but don't know where it comes from.

 

[Grace777x70]

Who said anything about Pentecostals? If berating is bring Scripture to show what the Bible mean by a phrase, then PC movement has over taken the Church. As far as Kenyon, even JW's have doctrine that is right, like the one that throws off most Christian. We are not going to be in heaven, we will be in the New Heaven and New Earth, worshiping in the New Jerusalem. The JW's have that doctrine that right, does that mean we should stop warning people or speaking out against them?

I believed lots of what Kenyon taught, it's been so long ago, can you remind me what he teaches on two kinds of righteousness, so we can un-water the Gospel of the grace of God in Christ? Because there can only be one righteousness that is right, there can't be two righteousness of Christ that are both right, if I'm understanding you right, can you clarify what you are saying.

I was saying that Pentecostals are the ones that have the term "plead the blood". That's where I heard it. As I have said before - I don't believe in it in the way it is used.

As for Kenyon's "two kinds of righteousness" - it is talking about our own self righteousness and Christ's righteousness and the new creation that is in Christ - here is the free pdf for you to read if you like.

https://www.hopefaithprayer.com/books/TwoKindsofRighteousness.pdf


This thread is about the blood of Jesus and the mercy seat so I don't want to de-rail it. Have a great rest of your weekend! Bless you..

 

[Meggido]

Who said anything about Pentecostals? If berating is bring Scripture to show what the Bible mean by a phrase, then PC movement has over taken the Church. As far as Kenyon, even JW's have doctrine that is right, like the one that throws off most Christian. We are not going to be in heaven, we will be in the New Heaven and New Earth, worshiping in the New Jerusalem. The JW's have that doctrine that right, does that mean we should stop warning people or speaking out against them?

I believed lots of what Kenyon taught, it's been so long ago, can you remind me what he teaches on two kinds of righteousness, so we can un-water the Gospel of the grace of God in Christ? Because there can only be one righteousness that is right, there can't be two righteousness of Christ that are both right, if I'm understanding you right, can you clarify what you are saying.

If you had actually read the book 2 kinds of righteousness you would not be making such ignorant comments about the book.

Kenyon showed us there is only 1 kind of righteousness that is right and the other is self-righteousness. Hence the 2 kinds of righteousness.

The book is actually a comparison and contrast between the position of the God kind of Righteousness with works based, fleshly and carnal self-righteousness.

You never read the book , because anyone who does no longer needs a "reminder" on what it teaches, because it is what the Bible teaches, as Kenyon uses most of the book of Romans to show you the truth contained in the book . It is so powerful that is changes their entire understanding of righteousness. The very best thing about the book is how Kenyon, uses the scriptures to confirm what he is teaching.

I recommend you go buy it. Its very inexpensive.

 

[Johnny_B]

Jesus's blood is the symbol of his life given for us. We are not to eat or drink blood because
it has life within it.

For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.
Lev 17:11

The blood of Christ is the atoning sacrifice, so it is the essential part of the
cross.

Blood is significant enough for christians being banned from eating it by
the apostles.

You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality
Acts 15:29

I found this interesting as black pudding is dried blood, a sinful practice.

Exactly this is why the Jews freaked out when He said, unless you drink of my blood and eat of my flesh, their reaction "after this many of His disciples turned back and walked with Him no longer" John 6:66 I remember parking behind a car that had JOHN 666 on the license plate and my brother-in-law said check out that plate. I said I wonder if they even noticed it, then I looked it up and we all were like oh yeah.

 

[stonesoffire]

Megiddo

I think it's superstitious thinking. Not knowing really what to believe. These forums are great for growth.

 

[stonesoffire]

Locutus..

Pleading the 5th only works in a human courtroom. I would shake in my shoes before Father if not for His Son. Might shake even then.

You make me laugh.

 

[Grace777x70]

Gods DNA?

I have a question here. Did the heavens have to be cleansed? I've heard this but don't know where it comes from.

I have heard of this before - Jesus cleansing the heavenly temple with His blood. It might be that satan had legal authority to be there because of man handing over authority of the earth over to him.

I believe that the war in heaven when satan got kicked out of heaven the last time was when Jesus rose from the grace and His blood was sprinkled on the heavenly places.

John 12:31-33 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

[SUP]32 [/SUP] And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. ( the word men is not in the text - the translators added it..Jesus draws all judgment to Himself )

[SUP]33 [/SUP] This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Here is the scripture that "seems " to indicate the things in the heavens had to be cleansed. Not sure if this is true or not or whether it means anything to us now. We know that Christ is both our High Priest and our Lamb. What a deal! Have a great salvation we have in Him alone.

Hebrews 9:19-24 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

[SUP]20 [/SUP] Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

[SUP]21 [/SUP] Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

[SUP]22 [/SUP] And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

[SUP]23 [/SUP] It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

[SUP]24 [/SUP] For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: