Did Jesus take the punishment for our sins?

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Cameron143

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you said Jesus offered his soul for sin on the bases he was punished for our sins did you not ?
You can draw your own conclusions. But you said the Roman soldiers inflicted God's punishment. They weren't present in the garden when He sweat like drops of blood and His soul was in agony...Luke 22:44.
 

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You can draw your own conclusions. But you said the Roman soldiers inflicted God's punishment. They weren't present in the garden when He sweat like drops of blood and His soul was in agony...Luke 22:44.
If you believe Jesus was punished for our sins Then the sacrifice is a lie.

Jesus sacrificed his life to grant repentance for sin.
That's why he's referred to as the lamb who bore the sin's of the world upon his shoulders,

Again the verse you quoted along with all the others doesn't directly say he was punished for our sin.


Jesus himself all by his own doing bore our sins in his body on the cross so that we might die to sin and live.

By his wounds you have been healed means he suffered
 

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If you believe Jesus was punished for our sins Then the sacrifice is a lie.

Jesus sacrificed his life to grant repentance for sin.
That's why he's referred to as the lamb who bore the sin's of the world upon his shoulders,

Again the verse you quoted along with all the others doesn't directly say he was punished for our sin.


Jesus himself all by his own doing bore our sins in his body on the cross so that we might die to sin and live.

By his wounds you have been healed means he suffered
How do you explain 1 Corinthians 15:3-4...that Christ died for our sins, according to the scripture...
 

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How do you explain 1 Corinthians 15:3-4...that Christ died for our sins, according to the scripture...
he died in the flesh not his spirit, is death was only temporary.


And there's more to it than this.
he died knowing his spirit would beat death.

Only deaths sting never knew he would. Only Jesus knew his death was worthy.

The Romans never and satan never saw it coming.

But Jesus did.

He told his disciples so at the last supper he was going.

Jesus prepared his deciples for his death and resurrection.
 

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If you believe Jesus was punished for our sins Then the sacrifice is a lie.

Jesus sacrificed his life to grant repentance for sin.
That's why he's referred to as the lamb who bore the sin's of the world upon his shoulders,

Again the verse you quoted along with all the others doesn't directly say he was punished for our sin.


Jesus himself all by his own doing bore our sins in his body on the cross so that we might die to sin and live.

By his wounds you have been healed means he suffered
If real sins aren't laid upon Him, He cannot die because He has not sinned. He does die. He paid for our sins.
 

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he died in the flesh not his spirit, is death was only temporary.


And there's more to it than this.
he died knowing his spirit would beat death.

Only deaths sting never knew he would. Only Jesus knew his death was worthy.

The Romans never and satan never saw it coming.

But Jesus did.

He told his disciples so at the last supper he was going.

Jesus prepared his deciples for his death and resurrection.
When we die, only our flesh dies. The spirit dies the second death.
 

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When we die, only our flesh dies. The spirit dies the second death.
your talking about the soul dieing to death,
The spirit is the life that never dies. ( The holy spirit).
The spirit gives life to the soul.
The death of the soul is the renewal of the spirit.
So the soul does not die unless it goes to hell.
The soul is the living being of a person
 

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If real sins aren't laid upon Him, He cannot die because He has not sinned. He does die. He paid for our sins.
the sins he bore upon his shoulder will have been banished from him after the cross on to the sea of tranquility
 

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When Jesus was on the cross (and maybe before) did He take the punishment for our sins?
Yes Jesus did. That's why He was born. When Jesus healed people, He did take their sins away. When Jesus died for us on The Cross, He paid our debt once and for all so that we would be free from our sinful nature and find friendship with God The Father. This is being told in all four Gospels simultaneously.

Jesus does say to the woman who was brought to be condemned and stoned to death, "Go and sin no more." after He saves her from the crowd about to stone her. Something we should remember too. It's what Our Lord Jesus would want of us.
 

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Peter said He bore them in His body. They left scars.
yes he bore the sin in his body at the cross and on the cross.

But do you think he would remain drenched in sin. He became sin once.
A sacrificial lambs bares the sins once.

Same as a new born lamb or a Scape goat or a calf

Take a Scape goat.

It wouldn't know what sin was because it knew no sin.

So when the sin was passed on to the Scape goat it was let lose into the desert and carried the sin away.
But the goat knew no sin so it would not effect it.
 

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yes he bore the sin in his body at the criss and on the cross.

But do you think he would remain drenched in sin. He became sin once.
A sacrificial lambs bares the sins once.

Same as a new born lamb or a Scape goat orca calf

Take a Scape goat.

It wouldn't know what sin was because it knew no sin.

So when the sin was passed on to the Scape goat it was let lose into the desert and carried the sin away.
But the goat knew no sin so it would not effect it.
He paid for the sin. God poured out on Him the equivalent of chastisement for every sin that is to be forgiven. Jesus didn't die for the idea of sin. He died because our sins were laid upon Him, and God exacted the judgment our sins accrued.
 

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He paid for the sin. God poured out on Him the equivalent of chastisement for every sin that is to be forgiven. Jesus didn't die for the idea of sin. He died because our sins were laid upon Him, and God exacted the judgment our sins accrued.
no he died to save the world from sin and he chose to bare the sins upon him self knowing he could banish them after his resurrection .
 

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His spirit didn't die. Just as ours don't.
correct his spirit can not die in us or him.
But our soul can perish if we don't have his spirit.

Plus God has said he can not remember sin for individuals if he so chooses. Which means he can vanish your sins from your mind and his
 

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no he died to save the world from sin and he chose to bare the sins upon him self knowing he could banish them after his resurrection .
Sins were paid for on the cross...it is finished.
 

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correct his spirit can not die in us or him.
But our soul can perish if we don't have his spirit.

Plus God has said he can not remember sin for individuals if he so chooses. Which means he can vanish your sins from your mind and his
Read Luke 16...there was both life after death for both Lazarus and the rich man...whether unto life or unto death.
 

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Read Luke 16...there was both life after death for both Lazarus and the rich man...whether unto life or unto death.
what does this have to do with what where talking about ?.
Laz was brought back to life because Jesus breathed life into him.

The richman went to hell