Did other people inhabit the earth before we did?

[trofimus]

When we magnify the word, Jesus is seen more clearly. A magnifying glass allows one to see the details of the subject more clearly and defined. We magnify the word, not worship it. We worship Jesus and what He has done because His word has been magnified.

Bible is a book. God is God. God is more than a book.

 

[tourist]

I know. The angels were created first, And Adam and Eve were the only people on earth, but some people think there were people before them. It was taught in school about cavemen.

The only cavemen that I am aware of are those in the old GEICO commercials and the Flintstone's.

 

[UnderGrace]

hahaha, I was merely making a point that God knew Adam would sin, and then die, and needed bacteria to decompose.

Of course we need bacteria!!

If you catch a cold and then I catch it, it's good to have previous bacteria from other colds to fight new colds.

I love micro biology and the basic study of micro-organisms!!

hahaha.... but colds are caused by viruses not bacteria, but yes your body will have a memory of the virus and then be able to activate antibodies more quickly next time.

 

[rlm68]

The adversary is not the morning star.

See John Calvin

repeat:

John Calvin commentary

12. How art thou fallen from heaven!

Isaiah proceeds with the discourse which he had formerly begun as personating the dead, and concludes that the tyrant differs in no respect from other men, though his object was to lead men to believe that he was some god. He employs an elegant metaphor, by comparing him to Lucifer, and calls him the Son of the Dawn; {1} and that on account of his splendor and brightness with which he shone above others. The exposition of this passage, which some have given, as if it referred to Satan, has arisen from ignorance; for the context plainly shows that these statements must be understood in reference to the king of the Babylonians.

But when passages of Scripture are taken up at random, and no attention is paid to the context, we need not wonder that mistakes of this kind frequently arise. Yet it was an instance of very gross ignorance, to imagine that Lucifer was the king of devils, and that the Prophet gave him this name. But as these inventions have no probability whatever, let us pass by them as useless fables.

Once again what you are pushing the teaching of Luciferians

morning star is from the Hebrew.

It is 100% accurate.

Lucifer however, is not!!

 

[rlm68]

hahaha.... but colds are caused by viruses not bacteria, but yes your body will have a memory of the virus and then be able to activate antibodies more quickly next time.

the bacteria is the memory!!

 

[UnderGrace]

morning star is from the Hebrew.

It is 100% accurate.

Lucifer however, is not!!

Morning star does not refer to the adversary, I agree with John Calvin and many others on this.

 

[UnderGrace]

the bacteria is the memory!!

hahaha we are more than bacteria. but good try.

 

[trofimus]

the bacteria is the memory!!

I think you use the term "bacteria" in some strange and wrong way. Sometimes you use it for DNA, sometimes you use it for something else. But almost every time you use it, it does not fit with what bacterias really are.

Maybe you should use more appropriate terms to be better understood.

 

[pjharrison]

23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end


Let's look at this verse by verse to see what exactly God did do as in destruction:

Verse 23 indicates the final end result.

Verse 24 indicates the power of God made even the mountains tremble and hills to move.

Verse 25 indicates LIFE in human form has ended and the birds were nowhere to be found.

Verse 26 indicates everything that flourished and prospered was now a barren wasteland, including the once thriving cities built by humans all destroyed by the FIERCE ANGER of God {that you claim God did not do as such, while scripture is specific of God's FIERCE ANGER).

Verse 27 indicates God admitting causing destruction that resulted in what we read in verses 23 - 26.


For you to claim, "God did nothing," while 2 verses state otherwise, is quite alarming!!

Jerimiah was a prophet: this all came from Jerimiah prophesying Jerimiah 1:1-7
1 The words of Jeremiah the son of Hilkiah, of the priests that were in Anathoth in the land of Benjamin:
2 To whom the word of the Lord came in the days of Josiah the son of Amon king of Judah, in the thirteenth year of his reign.
3 It came also in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, unto the end of the eleventh year of Zedekiah the son of Josiah king of Judah, unto the carrying away of Jerusalem captive in the fifth month.
4 Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
6 Then said I, Ah, Lord God! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child.
7 But the Lord said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.

 

[pjharrison]

The only cavemen that I am aware of are those in the old GEICO commercials and the Flintstone's.

God bless you tourist.

 

[tourist]

God bless you tourist.

God bless you too my friend.

 

[NayborBear]

Suppliment

In my last post I mentioned literalism. Another curse Preachers and others suffer from is selective amnesia. This takes the form of
forgetting or rather ignoring parts of the bible that either don't fit into their pre conceived ideas or they are reluctant to share with
their hearers anything that may disturb them. One thing they firmly believe is that ignorance is bliss. They spend a few years at Seminaries and never allow their knowledge to filter down to their congregations.

One has to admit, that "every" "Church" organization, whether it be 1 building, or, a "series" of buldings, have a "bottom line!" MONEY!!!

Selective amnesia, is just a "by product", because you can "draw more flies with sugar, then you can with vinegar!" By "Selective MAGNIFICATION!" By magnifying "feel good" messages? The "Churches" coffers, statistically run at higher levels, then when a pastor, or shepherd actually TRY'S to teach!

Which, over time? Is a HUGE DETRIMENT, to the "Children of the Kingdom!"


(I could go on, and on, but, this thread, as you can see, has gone terribly "off the rails", here!)

Does this thread do the "Gospel Message" any good? Depends on how "deep" one wants one's Spiritual Roots, to develop and grow! Depends on if you want to "love your life, even unto death", or not! Because one cannot survive this "spiritual warfare" we wage, on "stony grounded faith!"

 

[jimd]

Hey! Jim... PTL!
Scripture that is inspired by the Lord means what is says! The Lord has magnified his word above all his name and means exactly what he says! To twist scripture to mean what you want it to; what is doesn't say; is how men go into error, sadly. Everyone has their own opinion, but lets let God be true and every man a liar. Was the king of the Babylonians cast out of his grave? Or did that not mean what it says too? Yikes at such twisting of scripture to mean something other than what the Spirit says. If it was a parable, then some interpretation might be understood, but not here. With the standard of interpretation that is being used here, one can make the scriptures say whatever they want. For whatever reason; like making it agree to agree with one's own personal belief. Sorry that this sounds harsh brother, but I'll let God be true and trust the scriptures to mean exactly what the Spirit is telling us. If we use other sources beside scripture for our understanding and none of us has the whole truth; then their error, which we all have, will be compounded with our own. Praise the Lord in the name of Jesus; our God and King!
Maranatha!

Thats ok brother, who you think satan is has little or no effect on your salvation but to have such a literal view of scripture certainly doesn't help your understanding.

 

[John146]

Bible is a book. God is God. God is more than a book.

All we know about God is through the Scriptures. Magnify His word to the world so they can see Jesus more clearly.

 

[trofimus]

All we know about God is through the Scriptures. Magnify His word to the world so they can see Jesus more clearly.

Thats not true, but because you are KJV Only, we will never get to the same conclusion, so... whatever

 

[John146]

Thats not true, but because you are KJV Only, we will never get to the same conclusion, so... whatever

Do you know something about God that's not in His word?

 

[trofimus]

Do you know something about God that's not in His word?

Of course.

1. For example how can God be outside of our time and still work in our time is nicely illustrated by the current modern cosmology.

2. Or, how can spiritual beings see and interact with us while we cannot see them is nicely explained by higher dimensions of the Universe.

3. Or, his eternal attributes and powers can be seen in Big Bang, His style of creation and probability can be seen in quantum mechanics and double slit experience, observer effect and similar.

4. His special revelations to Adam, Noah, Job, Abraham, to Moses, to David, to apostles, to many gifted church members happened outside of Scripture's area. So, God works frequently with special individuals and do not need any book for it.

5. Logic, philosophy and general church can lead us into various levels of knowledge

6. Nature and the world around us tells us about God, about His greatness, power, goodness and majesty

7. Paul repeatedly affirms that people apart from special revelation (Jewish Scriptures) know God and that this knowledge is mediated to them in and through creation.

8. Moral law in us is a voice of God and we have it naturally. You know its wrong to murder somebody and you do not need the KJV for it.

9. Human nature, especially human need of worship and of a higher being proves, philosophically that there is a God and we are created for Him

10. Christian songs, books, catechisms and various other helpful things brought to us by Church or by wise men.

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And these are just areas I was able to come with in 5 minutes of thinking.

Also, do remember that the Bible itself was shaped and given to you by church.

 

[John146]

Of course.

1. For example how can God be outside of our time and still work in our time is nicely illustrated by the current modern cosmology.

2. Or, how can spiritual beings see and interact with us while we cannot see them is nicely explained by higher dimensions of the Universe.

3. Or, his eternal attributes and powers can be seen in Big Bang, His style of creation and probability can be seen in quantum mechanics and double slit experience, observer effect and similar.

4. His special revelations to Adam, Noah, Job, Abraham, to Moses, to David, to apostles, to many gifted church members happened outside of Scripture's area. So, God works frequently with special individuals and do not need any book for it.

5. Logic, philosophy and general church can lead us into various levels of knowledge

6. Nature and the world around us tells us about God, about His greatness, power, goodness and majesty

7. Paul repeatedly affirms that people apart from special revelation (Jewish Scriptures) know God and that this knowledge is mediated to them in and through creation.

8. Moral law in us is a voice of God and we have it naturally. You know its wrong to murder somebody and you do not need the KJV for it.

9. Human nature, especially human need of worship and of a higher being proves, philosophically that there is a God and we are created for Him

10. Christian songs, books, catechisms and various other helpful things brought to us by Church or by wise men.

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And these are just areas I was able to come with in 5 minutes of thinking.

Also, do remember that the Bible itself was shaped and given to you by church.

None of them can be trusted 100% unless we compare it to Scripture. You only see God through some of these because His word said it to be so. Any attributes of God you can see in nature is there because Scripture says so. God's word spoke everything into existence.

 

[trofimus]

None of them can be trusted 100% unless we compare it to Scripture. You only see God through some of these because His word said it to be so. Any attributes of God you can see in nature is there because Scripture says so. God's word spoke everything into existence.

But you changed your position. First, you asked, if there is any knowledge about God outside of Scriptures - yes, there is.

Then you switched it to "does the level of trust equals the level of trust in the Bible", which is a different issue and this is the area Sola Scriptura is about, regarding salvation.

You would get the gospel and all important teachings about God without Scriptures, just by the church and other writings, youtube videos etc. Yes, Scriptures are the canon, by which you should measure if what somebody tells you is valid, possible, needed for salvation or trustworthy.

 

[jaybird88]

Hey! blueluna5... PTL!
The sons of God mentioned in the book of Genesis, can not be fallen angels! Even though so many seem to want angels to be such.
2 Pet 2:4 "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment."
Angels that sinned were cast into hell! No way they could be with the daughters of men, from there!

being sent to Tartarus was their punishment for the events that went down in Gen 6. i am not aware of anyone who things the angels were punished first,before they did anything to be punished for.

Heb 1 tells us that the Lord doesn't call angels the sons of God.

your sort of right on this one. there is a difference between angel and son of the Most High. all angels are sons of the Most High but not all sons of the Most High are angels. angel is just a specific class. i dont see anything in Heb 1 saying angels are not called sons of the Most High.

Also, in the natural world; ie... the daughters of men; crossbreeds that are actually born are sterile, like mules.

exactly, the mules are corrupted and can not reproduce.

Perhaps you see a distinction between angels that sinned verses some other reason for them coming to the earth; that is answered in Jude 1:6 "And the angels that kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved under everlasting chains of darkness unto the judgment of the great day." Looks like the exact same consequence as those who sinned. But is has always been up to us what we allow ourselves to believe and sadly, error feels exactly the same as the truth does or the suicide bombers that are killing themselves for their false god, would know better, don't you think?
Maranatha!

there are no "other" reasons. the Gen 6 event is the only one.