Did the writer of Psalms not understand what grace is?

[disciplemike]

Yes the faith of God is not without works. He faithfully fulfilled the promise to pour out (the work) His Spirit life on all flesh to include the flesh of a Jew. In that way he shows us he is no respecter of persons.

If he did not work according to his faith there would be no new creation. Remember it is the work of God that we can believe (have faith in him.) without his faith working to both will and do his good pleasure there would be no new spirit life.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1 John 3:7-8 (KJV, MBM)

 

[Grace777x70]

Yes indeed, Hear Him!
(Son) Yeshua answered them, and said,
My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 7:16 (KJV, MBM)

(Father) For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law. Proverbs 4:2 (KJV, MBM)

Lawlessness is going back to the law for living and rejecting the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus said the people He was talking about in Matt. 7: 15-23 were NOT Christians. Jesus said in "context" that Matthew 7:15 is talking about false prophets who were not Christians.

Remember in the last days people will not be "anti-God" they will be "anti-Christ"...selah

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

You know, when David said things that sounded rapturous, like, your law is wonderful! Teach me your law! I think he was seeing something in the law that others weren't. He was seeing the spirit of the law. I mean, he wasn't in that kind of joyous rapture asking God, teach me what clothes to not wear with other clothes because I DELIGHT in your law!! He could easily enough understand what was written to perform it outwardly!

 

[disciplemike]

Lawlessness is going back to the law for living and rejecting the Lord Jesus Christ.

And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure. Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.
1 John 3:3-4 (ESV2011, MBM)

 

[Grace777x70]

And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure. Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.
1 John 3:3-4 (ESV2011, MBM)

Satan 280 AD. I will infiltrate the Christians with Judaizers to make them depend on what they do and try to get them to desert Chrsit to go back to the law instead of depending only on Christ who is within them.

I implore you to come to Christ for salvation and to trust only in Him. If you are a Christian - you are committing spiritual adultery on your Lord by going back to the law for living. Romans 7:1-6

For you have died and your life in hidden with Christ in God. Col. 3:3 Stop rejecting the Lord Jesus Christ as He alone is your true life.

 

[disciplemike]

I implore you to come to Christ for salvation and to trust only in Him.

that is your safety belt. anyone who does not agree with you must not be 'saved", right?
My Savior is Yeshua. He got His doctrine from His Father. His Father's doctrine is good enough for me!
Our Father, who art in heaven, Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven!

 

[pottersclay]

Coming up next Mike will introduce us to the washing ceremony and customs before he eats .followed by why Mike need 2refrigerators in his home. But first a brief look at how to style your locks and still look cool. And as always remember to sharpen your knife before you have that bullocks barbecue.


Mike please .......your killing me

 

[disciplemike]

Coming up next Mike will introduce us to the washing ceremony and customs before he eats .followed by why Mike need 2refrigerators in his home. But first a brief look at how to style your locks and still look cool. And as always remember to sharpen your knife before you have that bullocks barbecue.


Mike please .......your killing me

There is part of your problem. You don't distinguish the law of God from Judaism.
BIG difference.

 

[pottersclay]

There is part of your problem. You don't distinguish the law of God from Judaism.
BIG difference.

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[posthuman]

no, it's not the same.
the "but" was planted there, to create the idea of contrast.
people who love this world don't love the idea of rules.
selah.

first of all i'd like to correct this:
"selah" does not mean "alas"
it's a musical pause.

but most importantly -- you apparently do not comprehend the scripture you are arguing about at, and i hope you dont go on thinking that you are teaching anyone like this.

you think there is no contrast, but by "conspiracy" men working as translators added the word "but" to try to introduce a difference where none exists?
well dude, then it seems clear that you do not know what the Christ is come for.
((although anyone who has followed your conversation with the forum already knows this))

let's examine this snippet in some larger context.

9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world.
10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.
12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God —
13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ ”)
16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given.
17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
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(John 1:9-18)
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immediately preceding verse 17 we have directly the reason that both the law and grace & truth are being set together: that out of the fullness of the Living Word of God we might receive grace in place of the grace already given.
this is literally in the Greek, "grace upon grace" -- that may sound like Christ adds nothing; that there is no difference, and that the covenant of Law and the covenant that is made through the Messiah are identical in terms of the grace of God.
certainly the Law is graceful -- because sacrifice of animals does not requite sin -- but it is the mercy of God given for obedience to what He required before the Messiah came.
but looking closer at "grace upon grace" -- the first "grace" is "χάριν" -- the new received grace through the Messiah, and the second "grace" written here is "χάριτος·" -- the grace of God present in the old way of the written commandments.
the first is in the accusative case, and the second in the genitive. the accusative case is the 'object' of a verb or action, and the genitive signifies "possession"
there is certainly a difference here, though it is a subtle one.
and this subtlety is the very reason that the scripture says the Jews failed to attain righteousness, because they were ignorant of the righteousness of God: they sought to establish their own. as though they possessed it: in the genitive sense. this is the righteousness of the Law, which is the the grace that was before -- which came through Moses. but truth came also through Jesus Christ: that righteousness is not the possession of man, and it cannot be established by man: for as the scripture also states, no one is good: everyone transgresses the law, and all require mercy: all require the grace of God, or they cannot stand before Him. it is impossible to establish your own righteousness; the law establishes this, because by the Law all men are condemned for sin and disobedience, and through the mercy of God, by sacrifice these sins are covered.
but the second is not like the first: it is the accusative grace: the grace that is imputed and declared to men on the basis of faith - because they believe the Son, God accounts this as righteousness. this is a righteousness by submission to God, and it belongs to God, not to man. this is why prostitutes and tax collectors and other disobedient sinners are entering the Kingdom before people who are trying to establish a righteousness that they 'possess' -- an why the grace of the law is so much different from the grace and truth found in Jesus Christ!

this is illustrated by the verses which precede 16 & 17 -- the Word became flesh and pitched His tent among us, shining light in the darkness and making it possible for all who believe in Him to become children of God.
nothing about obedience to the Law of Moses is mentioned here with regard to how to be a son or daughter of God: it is about faith. faith in the Son, who gives this grace: faith in the Son who imputes this righteousness.
not a righteousness established or possessed by the person, but donated and assigned to a person by the gift of God on the basis of belief. belief in the God who justifies apart from works of the law.

this is a different righteousness, and a different grace: a grace by which sin is removed instead of covered

until you stop trying to establish your own righteousness and come to a true knowledge of God, and His righteousness, you will never enter the Kingdom. until you understand who the Messiah is, why He came, and why He had to come ((which is the lesson of the Law that you don't seem to have apprehended yet)) you will not understand that there is a sharp​ contrast here.


people who love this world don't love the idea that God is sovereign, and that it does not depend on your works or your effort or your obedience -- it depends on God who shows mercy.

people who love this world love the idea that they can boast in themselves that they were the ones who 'deserved' the grace they received: but if it is deserved, it is not grace. the truth and the grace of God has been revealed in Christ: and no one can boast, because righteousness is not 'achieved' -- it is imputed & declared, by the sovereign God.

this is that no one has seen God but Christ has made Him known: no one has established righteousness by obedience, but Christ has made righteousness known. no one has deserved grace, but Christ has given it. (verse 18)

this is that no one becomes a child of God by fleshly inheritance, or bloodline, or human decision, and not even by human will -- but born of God, who is sovereign, and shows mercy to whom He will show mercy, and determines who He will predestine for destruction and who He choses for glorification. (verse 13)

this is directly in contrast to the righteousness of obedience to the Law: which is establishing your own righteousness, as if you possess it, as though grace is deserved ((which is no more grace)) -- but righteousness in this respect is grace, instead, because no one is good, and no one obeys from the heart.

this is righteousness by faith, which is a thing done to a person, a thing that is passively received, submitted to, by the sovereign choice of God in His mercy so that the purpose of election may stand and that no one may possibly glory in anything except that God has chosen to reveal Himself to them, and chosen to show them mercy. believing this is accounted as righteousness -- apart from any works, and regardless of whether any work is done at all, but on the basis of faith alone, in the Son of God alone, by the faithfulness of the Father alone.


contrast.
it is not a conspiracy.
it is the truth

 

[posthuman]

o dear; i've written another lengthy post that very few will read because it is too long.

sorry

 

[pottersclay]

o dear; i've written another lengthy post that very few will read because it is too long.

sorry

I read it .....seems to be in order....I approve that post

 

[posthuman]

If You, Lord, should mark iniquities,
O Lord, who could stand?
But there is forgiveness with You,
That You may be feared.
(Psalm 130:3-4) ​

 

[disciplemike]

(Acts 5:29 [KJV])
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

　
　

 

[Vdp]

Romans 6:14
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

Galatians 5:4
[SUP]4 [/SUP]You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

We cannot be Justified by keeping the Law nor are we Justified by the Law.

God clearly has said we are not under the Law but are under Grace.

The Pharisees taught we are totally under the Law, even man made Laws. This is why Jesus condemned the Pharisees. Today Jesus still condemns all those who try to put others under their Laws.

 

[PaulMack]

Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.

Romans 4:1-8
What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? [SUP]2 [/SUP]For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” [SUP]4 [/SUP]Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. [SUP]5 [/SUP]But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, [SUP]6 [/SUP]just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: [SUP]7 [/SUP]“Blessed are those whose lawless deeds have been forgiven,
And whose sins have been covered.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]“Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will not take into account.”

We cannot by the Law or through the Law ever become Righteous!

We are to obey what God has said and God has said Abraham was Righteous by his Faith, not by keeping the Law. Therefore you have to obey God in Truth and Grace, not in works of keeping the Law.

These works will be burned up.

 

[disciplemike]

We are to obey what God has said and God has said Abraham was Righteous by his Faith, not by keeping the Law. Therefore you have to obey God in Truth and Grace, not in works of keeping the Law.

Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth. (Ps 119:142)

 

[Grace777x70]

Jesus is the Truth and the Life. Jesus is the real substance of the mere shadow of the law. Jesus fulfilled the Law and now we live by Him alone.

Always substitute Jesus for the law and ordinances and testimonies and the scriptures will come alive for you.

We come to Jesus now - not Old Covenant law. The Pharisees and scribes knew all about the law but they didn't know Jesus.

John 5:39-40 (NASB)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them ( the law ) you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;

[SUP]40 [/SUP] and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

Paul encountered Judaizers trying to get people back following the Law after coming to Christ. He had some very stern words for these types that try to get Christians to desert Christ and to follow the law. ( Galatians is full of this )

 

[PaulMack]

The Law is the Truth. But the Law you teach is not the Truth.

 

[disciplemike]

Jesus is the Truth and the Life. Jesus is the real substance of the mere shadow of the law. Jesus fulfilled the Law and now we live by Him alone.

Always substitute Jesus for the law and ordinances and testimonies and the scriptures will come alive for you.

We come to Jesus now - not Old Covenant law. The Pharisees and scribes knew all about the law but they didn't know Jesus.

John 5:39-40 (NASB)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them ( the law ) you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;

[SUP]40 [/SUP] and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

Paul encountered Judaizers trying to get people back following the Law after coming to Christ. He had some very stern words for these types that try to get Christians to desert Christ and to follow the law. ( Galatians is full of this )

Yeshua answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. (John 7:16)





(YHVH) For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.(Prov 4:2)