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Feb 11, 2016
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Paul said it this way,

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

The one law itself is testified of in the law (shown in Abraham)

Gal 4:22
For it is written, (in the law) that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

These being two covenants

So the covenant of the law is shown in the law in Abraham's bondmaid (she is a covenant) answers in Jerusalem that then was. That which is in the law as shown in Abraham is speaking allegorically by the prophets ( as Abraham was Gen 20:10). This is witnessed by Hosea 12:10 so Paul could easily confirm what is in Gal 4:24)

Gal 4:24
Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children

Casting out the one (even then) of the one represnting the covenant from Mt Sinai) is shown in Sarah (through whom come the Son of promise). The seed of Abraham, or the righteousness of God in Christ who was manifest. The righteousness of God without the law shown in Romans 3:21 as is also shown in Gal 4:30 speaking of Gen 21:10 therefore witnessed by the law and the prophets.

The law and the prophets are witnesss to the righteousness of God without the law

Just as the law (shows in Abrahams) who was a prophet and his things (even his bondmaid) who represents that coveant getting cast out after the birth of Isaac (who was after the promise) not after the flesh.

So delighting in Gods law and the wonderous things in the same is alsways to me seeing what he has done through Christ Jesus, although you can read the law and not hear the law too as Paul had said, even them which desired to be teachers of the same but not understanding neither what it is they say or whereof they affirm 1 Ti 1:7


 
Jul 1, 2016
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Paul said it this way,

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

The one law itself is testified of in the law (shown in Abraham)

Gal 4:22
For it is written, (in the law) that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

These being two covenants

So the covenant of the law is shown in the law in Abraham's bondmaid (she is a covenant) answers in Jerusalem that then was. That which is in the law as shown in Abraham is speaking allegorically by the prophets ( as Abraham was Gen 20:10). This is witnessed by Hosea 12:10 so Paul could easily confirm what is in Gal 4:24)

Gal 4:24
Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children

Casting out the one (even then) of the one represnting the covenant from Mt Sinai) is shown in Sarah (through whom come the Son of promise). The seed of Abraham, or the righteousness of God in Christ who was manifest. The righteousness of God without the law shown in Romans 3:21 as is also shown in Gal 4:30 speaking of Gen 21:10 therefore witnessed by the law and the prophets.

The law and the prophets are witnesss to the righteousness of God without the law

Just as the law (shows in Abrahams) who was a prophet and his things (even his bondmaid) who represents that coveant getting cast out after the birth of Isaac (who was after the promise) not after the flesh.

So delighting in Gods law and the wonderous things in the same is alsways to me seeing what he has done through Christ Jesus, although you can read the law and not hear the law too as Paul had said, even them which desired to be teachers of the same but not understanding neither what it is they say or whereof they affirm 1 Ti 1:7


The basic context of Galatians - Judaizers were telling people they had to be circumcised and keep the law (Pharisee type law), in order to be saved (justified).
You will find no where I said a person is saved (justified) by keeping the law.
Salvation is not the end.
 
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The basic context of Galatians - Judaizers were telling people they had to be circumcised and keep the law (Pharisee type law), in order to be saved (justified).
You will find no where I said a person is saved (justified) by keeping the law.
Salvation is not the end.
I was talking about what Paul said not what you said so Im not sure what you mean.

The context of Galations uses those representatives found Abraham (as it pertains to the covenants) and can be confirmed elsewhere in accord to it.
 
Jun 1, 2016
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The basic context of Galatians - Judaizers were telling people they had to be circumcised and keep the law (Pharisee type law), in order to be saved (justified).
You will find no where I said a person is saved (justified) by keeping the law.
Salvation is not the end.

correct. thats the entire reason paul wrote galatians. pauls struggle is evident that He contended constantly against Judaizers coming behind the apostles and trying to add circumcision as a necessaty for salvation. circumcision of course is mans sign that they are in agreement with the old covenant. thats why he says " if you allow yourselves to be circumcised, Christ is of no value to you at all" if a person chooses circumcision, they are signing the first covenant which has no value in making a person new or reborn, the old covea=nant is with the flesh of men, the rebellious part. thats why it is " thou shalt not" it is basically rules for sinners to manage their sin. it restrains sin, but can never remove sin because sin is not flesh, it is spirit.

many of pauls words are in response to Jewish men coming behind Him and the apostles and trying to make Christians adghere to the mosaic law. that is a huge part of the confusion. The change happened here " you have heard long ago it was said "Love your neighbor and hate your enemy, But I tell you Love your enemies, do good to those who persecute you that you may be sons of your father in Heaven." Jesus was the authority even over Law. and is now and will be eternally
 
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many of pauls words are in response to Jewish men coming behind Him and the apostles and trying to make Christians adghere to the mosaic law. that is a huge part of the confusion. The change happened here " you have heard long ago it was said "Love your neighbor and hate your enemy, But I tell you Love your enemies, do good to those who persecute you that you may be sons of your father in Heaven." Jesus was the authority even over Law. and is now and will be eternally
I think you went a little too far. Sha-ul was not against the law of Moses. Yeshua was not against the law of Moses. They were against the thousands of Pharisee laws.

Remember, Yeshua Himself equates the "law of Moses" with "the Word of God" because it IS God's Word. Moses didn't just make up law of his own accord.

And doing good for your enemies is not an exclusive New Testament concept. It is not "new". It is from the Old Testament.
 
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We serve a non-changing God and we need to understand that the marriage proposal at mount Sinai will be required from us as a bride once more when our Groom return...

Heaven is not a free for all place where you can do what you want. It will be about relationship and order. We are given the characteristics of God in the law and if you want to get to know the Groom read through His marriage proposal (Torah). He will teach you if you long for understanding.