Did you all know that there are three heavens

[Zmouth]

Human body can be (and probably is) from the animal kingdom. Human spirit, soul and intellect is obviously special.

The son of David, the Preacher, the King of Israel wrote the following:

For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Eccl 3:19-20

 

[7seasrekeyed]

LOL, so you really think it is going to make it closer than 80 million miles to the sun before the EMP's dissolves the probe into dust?
(I know they believe it will get within 4 million miles of the suns surface) but do you?

why do people who have a weakness in comprehension start their comments with LOL?

now I can understand if something is funny...I will LOL myself

however it is your comprehension that is funny here and you laugh at yourself

I never said I believed it was going to achieve anything

I only stated it existed as a point of interest considering we were talking about the distance of the sun form planet Terra

so yah know...LOL and all that but your fiction is just falls flat as it so often does

 

[7seasrekeyed]

If the moon is so far out in space, where is the firmament?

you said yourself you have no teacher

I conclude you are your own student

that's quite a classroom

 

[7seasrekeyed]

There are three heavens. The first heaven is when you become a Christian, and is here on Earth. The second heaven is when you die, you enter the Spiritual world of Paradise, Finally, third heaven is when Jesus returns Earth is destroyed and a new earth is given, where we who are Christians will live. God will then live with us forever.

well that's settled then

or not...................

 

[pjharrison]

you said yourself you have no teacher

I conclude you are your own student

that's quite a classroom

I gave you 1 John 2: 26 - 27

 

[Dino246]

I gave you 1 John 2: 26 - 27

The very real danger with taking this to heart is that you become unteachable. You think that every whim of an idea about Scripture that comes into your mind is "the truth taught by the Holy Spirit".

How is it that the (supposedly) same Holy Spirit Who works in all believers has taught many of them something different than what He has taught you? We all read the same Bible. We disagree. The only way you can hold your position consistently is to believe that everyone else is deceived.

Here's a hint: if it appears that everyone else is deceived, it's time to take a really close look at your heart and your beliefs.

 

[pjharrison]

The very real danger with taking this to heart is that you become unteachable. You think that every whim of an idea about Scripture that comes into your mind is "the truth taught by the Holy Spirit".

How is it that the (supposedly) same Holy Spirit Who works in all believers has taught many of them something different than what He has taught you? We all read the same Bible. We disagree. The only way you can hold your position consistently is to believe that everyone else is deceived.

Here's a hint: if it appears that everyone else is deceived, it's time to take a really close look at your heart and your beliefs.

I just know that by everyone having so many different understandings should tell you that we are all divided. Everyone in the body of Christ will come to the same understanding.
philippians 2:1-2
1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

 

[pjharrison]

I just know that by everyone having so many different understandings should tell you that we are all divided. Everyone in the body of Christ will come to the same understanding.
philippians 2:1-2
1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

It seems that every time I answer your post with scripture you say that I'm giving my own understanding. If I don't give scripture you say I'm pushing my own beliefs. And I have seen some of your other post. You don't believe hardly anything anyone says that is different than you. And you get offended. You need to examine that and see what it's all about.

 

[Dino246]

It seems that every time I answer your post with scripture you say that I'm giving my own understanding.

Do you realize that you frequently respond to yourself?

Does this happen in real life too?

 

[pjharrison]

Do you realize that you frequently respond to yourself?

Does this happen in real life too?

Probably. But you got the post. So why do you do that. It's to everybody. You think that everybody think that they have the answers, but so do you.

 

[Dino246]

Probably. But you got the post. So why do you do that. It's to everybody. You think that everybody think that they have the answers, but so do you.

True, at least on some things, but I don't conscientiously avoid learning from others.

 

[pjharrison]

True, at least on some things, but I don't conscientiously avoid learning from others.

I don't avoid it, remember I said I use to go to church. I have heard a lot of that stuff. I just no longer agree with it, but if you come across something that I can learn and it is of God and true, I will be convicted. I thought for years that Jesus was put into the virgin Mary and was not of her seed. But I was wrong, and finally after denying and denying it. I received one scripture and it popped out and got my attention. I needed to know that. And God made sure that I did. God knows us better than we know our selves. He knows what will catch our attention. And I was thankful to know. So I am willing to learn, but it has to be of God and true. And I had to apologize to DevontionToBible. God is very good, always.

 

[Zmouth]

why do people who have a weakness in comprehension start their comments with LOL?

now I can understand if something is funny...I will LOL myself

however it is your comprehension that is funny here and you laugh at yourself

I never said I believed it was going to achieve anything

I only stated it existed as a point of interest considering we were talking about the distance of the sun form planet Terra

so yah know...LOL and all that but your fiction is just falls flat as it so often does

How old are you? As far as comprehension I admit that comprehending your being a real sensitive type wouldn't be proof of anything since that is plain obvious.

But as far as fiction, if you think it is fiction then your comprehension might be symptomatic of the condition spoke of in 2 Cor 11:3.

Anyways, I didn't notice who the poster was and I apologize if my post caused you such distress as indicated by your post.

 

[trofimus]

The reason that I don't consider evolution a scientific theory is that it fails to qualify for three of the four attributes which would put it into the realm of science. It is not observable, not testable, and not repeatable. It is, however, falsifiable, as an abundance of good mathematics has shown.

Its a science about past, no science about past is observable, repeatable etc. You cannot make Caesar to rule the Rome again.
But you can observe whether the same rules still work today. In DNA, in genetics, in complexity of creatures etc. Its very well proven that organisms change during time.

Anyway, its considered scientific theory not just by some popular media, its also on britannica and scientific webpages like livescience, nas.edu, on various european scientific and university websites, in various papers etc.

 

[trofimus]

The reason that I don't consider evolution a scientific theory is that it fails to qualify for three of the four attributes which would put it into the realm of science. It is not observable, not testable, and not repeatable. It is, however, falsifiable, as an abundance of good mathematics has shown.

However, there are various models of evolution, neo-darwinism and darwinism do not seem to be the best explanation of why organisms evolve. If you mean this, then yes. But thats not about evolution theory as such, its about one specific view on it.

 

[trofimus]

The water under the firmament is the sky. If there was not a firmament I believe the sky would be dark.

No, the firmanent is the sky.

The firmanent holds one mass of waters above - clouds -> raining from above on your head.

"And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water....God called the vault “sky.”
Gn 1:6

 

[Zmouth]

Its a science about past, no science about past is observable, repeatable etc. You cannot make Caesar to rule the Rome again.
But you can observe whether the same rules still work today. In DNA, in genetics, in complexity of creatures etc. Its very well proven that organisms change during time.

Anyway, its considered scientific theory not just by some popular media, its also on britannica and scientific webpages like livescience, nas.edu, on various european scientific and university websites, in various papers etc.

Yes, it is considered scientific theory because the powers that be say it is scientific theory (fact) and not the discipline of science itself which holds that a standard has to be first be met, like the known and observed, the replication of the process, and one that evolution doesn't even attempt to meet, being the falsifiability.

 

[Zmouth]

No, the firmanent is the sky.

The firmanent holds one mass of waters above - clouds -> raining from above on your head.

"And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water....God called the vault “sky.”
Gn 1:6

So what state would the waters have been in at the time of Genesis 1:2 (Solid, Liquid or Gas?)

 

[trofimus]

So what state would the waters have been in at the time of Genesis 1:2 (Solid, Liquid or Gas?)

Thats not the point of Genesis. The point of Genesis is to tell us that God created what works today. Water cycle, dry land, oceans, plants, animals, us.

The point of Genesis is not to teach us about how things technically worked/work. The point of Genesis is theological, not scientific.

 

[trofimus]

Yes, it is considered scientific theory because the powers that be say it is scientific theory (fact) and not the discipline of science itself which holds that a standard has to be first be met, like the known and observed, the replication of the process, and one that evolution doesn't even attempt to meet, being the falsifiability.

Evolution works today as ever and is confirmed by genetics, DNA, archeology etc. Its a working theory used in medical science etc.

The only thing that is disputed today is why and how organisms evolve. The natural selection is one model, structuralism is another one, cooperation etc.

When Christians say that evolution is unproved, they mostly talk about darwinian or neo-darwinian models (materialism, random mutations etc), not about evolution of organisms as such.