Did you all know that there are three heavens

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
7

7seasrekeyed

Guest
#261
#261
pjharrison said:
Do you think that this world is Satan's kingdom?
Click to expand...
24 The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

2 For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods.

3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the Lord? or who shall stand in his holy place?

4 He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.

5 He shall receive the blessing from the Lord, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.

6 This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.

7 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.

8 Who is this King of glory? The Lord strong and mighty, the Lordmighty in battle.

9 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.

10 Who is this King of glory? The Lord of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.

Psalm 24

the devil is called the 'god' of this world and the prince of the 'power' of the air (Eph 2:2)

he is not a god, .but those who refuse Christ are ruled by him

however, the Bible says the earth belongs to God...He created it
 
P

pjharrison

Guest
#262
#262
7seasrekeyed said:
that's really not very credible there dude

I thoroughly and carefully responded to your question and you just blew me off

thankfully, most Christians in North America are educated enough to read the Bible for themself and get if not the whole picture, at least a much better picture then the one you have

well, perhaps someone else may find my response profitable when it comes to teaching, being taught and understanding how that works

it's very telling that you actually ignore the very scripture that points out your error and also very rude of you to ask a question, be given a comprehensive answer and then dismiss it because it points out your grievous error
Click to expand...
That was not meant for you. It was for trofimus
 
7

7seasrekeyed

Guest
#264
#264
pjharrison said:
I will respond when I get back home
Click to expand...


pjharrison
Active member
Jun 21, 201897218243




25 minutes ago
#257
7seasrekeyed said:
you have said enough in your posts to make it plain that you are a fan of youtube conspiracy theories with regards to scripture

first off, THERE IS NO PRIVATE INTERPRETATION of scripture:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2 Peter 1:20

reading II Peter 1:20 in context, we see Peter is referring to OT prophecy and the fact that God spoke through the prophets by His Holy Spirit...continuing in II Peter 2, Peter speaks about false teachers of the then present day...the time he lived in...and continuing in that chapter we read that thes false teachers reveal themselves by how they live and the sin(s) they commit

your interpretation of I John 2: 26-27 is a fallacy believed in by those who do not think they need to be taught and whose 'understanding' of scripture deviates from what is commonly understood, meaning to take the WHOLE counsel of scripture and not just a section or a few verses out of context and derive a new doctrine which actually amounts to private interpretation

so, what is the view held on I John 2:26-27 that has been held since the conception of the NT church regarding private interpretation?

26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
1 John 2:26-27

as you are fixed on the highlighted portion above, let's look at what the intention of John actually is here

first of all, John is not speaking to isolated people who do not come together as a body of believers. John is speaking to people who DO come together as a body of believers so he is NOT writing to individuals who believe they have no teachers and can function all alone (which is actually contrary to what scripture says we are to do)

what does he mean by you do not need anyone to teach you? what does he mean about a real and not counterfeit anointing?

he is speaking of what they have been taught from the beginning...he is writing of the truth that they ALREADY so therefore they are not to accept any other teaching

you interpret it to mean they don't need a teacher

if no teacher is needed, then why is one of the gifts through the Spirit of God 'teaching'?

there is only ONE truth and there is only one devil and he takes that one truth and creates deceiving doctrines and false doctrines and false prophecies through 'doctrines of demons'...teaching spirits that imitate the Holy Spirit and lead gullible people into deception and AWAY from the truth

it is impossible that we do not need teachers as Christ Himself said to go and teach all nations

here is a longer explanation of the above from someone who is answering the question you asked:

Let’s walk through the text and let the context help us out here. Admittedly, it does sound strange to hear John say in 1 John 2:27: “You have no need that anyone should teach you.” It sounds strange, because he himself is at that moment doing a kind of teaching. And it sounds strange because Jesus commanded us to teach the nations all things. And it sounds strange because teaching is a spiritual gift from God which he would want us to use — and on and on. The reasons why it would sound strange are many. So let’s look, because we know that he is not stupid. He knows what he is saying. He means what he means. And we want to dig in here and let the context help us see how this is coherent.

read the rest here
Click to expand...
I understand Ask the pastor of your church, maybe he understands that scripture.
Click to expand...
you quote me. you did not quote trofimus...go back and check what you did

since you have just flown by a post before and not answered it, I didn't think it strange you would do it again
 
Deade

Deade

Called of God
#265
Dec 17, 2017
16,724
10,530
113
77
Vinita, Oklahoma, USA
yeshuaofisrael.org
#265
pjharrison said:
Just what it says, do you believe this is Satan's kingdom?
Click to expand...
No, this is not Satan's kingdom. God has given dominion of the earth to man (see Gen. 1:28). That said, Satan does rule this world system by influencing man. Putting thoughts into man's head and steering him whatever direction he (Satan) likes. That is why Satan how "the power of the air" in Eph. 2:2.

So God is letting this world run its course to show man, the angels and the demons the outcome of deciding right and wrong for ourselves. As we see in Job chapter one, Satan and his demons only operate as far as God allows them. When all is said and done God retains the power. Bottom line: MY GOD REIGNS!
 
Dino246

Dino246

Senior Member
#266
Jun 30, 2015
24,685
13,374
113
#266
7seasrekeyed said:
you quote me. you did not quote trofimus...go back and check what you did
Click to expand...
It wouldn't be the first time, or even the tenth, that she has responded to someone but quoted someone else... often herself.

Which makes for some funny juxtapositions....
 
P

pjharrison

Guest
#267
#267
7seasrekeyed said:

pjharrison
Active member
Jun 21, 201897218243




25 minutes ago
#257
7seasrekeyed said:
you have said enough in your posts to make it plain that you are a fan of youtube conspiracy theories with regards to scripture

first off, THERE IS NO PRIVATE INTERPRETATION of scripture:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2 Peter 1:20

reading II Peter 1:20 in context, we see Peter is referring to OT prophecy and the fact that God spoke through the prophets by His Holy Spirit...continuing in II Peter 2, Peter speaks about false teachers of the then present day...the time he lived in...and continuing in that chapter we read that thes false teachers reveal themselves by how they live and the sin(s) they commit

your interpretation of I John 2: 26-27 is a fallacy believed in by those who do not think they need to be taught and whose 'understanding' of scripture deviates from what is commonly understood, meaning to take the WHOLE counsel of scripture and not just a section or a few verses out of context and derive a new doctrine which actually amounts to private interpretation

so, what is the view held on I John 2:26-27 that has been held since the conception of the NT church regarding private interpretation?

26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
1 John 2:26-27

as you are fixed on the highlighted portion above, let's look at what the intention of John actually is here

first of all, John is not speaking to isolated people who do not come together as a body of believers. John is speaking to people who DO come together as a body of believers so he is NOT writing to individuals who believe they have no teachers and can function all alone (which is actually contrary to what scripture says we are to do)

what does he mean by you do not need anyone to teach you? what does he mean about a real and not counterfeit anointing?

he is speaking of what they have been taught from the beginning...he is writing of the truth that they ALREADY so therefore they are not to accept any other teaching

you interpret it to mean they don't need a teacher

if no teacher is needed, then why is one of the gifts through the Spirit of God 'teaching'?

there is only ONE truth and there is only one devil and he takes that one truth and creates deceiving doctrines and false doctrines and false prophecies through 'doctrines of demons'...teaching spirits that imitate the Holy Spirit and lead gullible people into deception and AWAY from the truth

it is impossible that we do not need teachers as Christ Himself said to go and teach all nations

here is a longer explanation of the above from someone who is answering the question you asked:

Let’s walk through the text and let the context help us out here. Admittedly, it does sound strange to hear John say in 1 John 2:27: “You have no need that anyone should teach you.” It sounds strange, because he himself is at that moment doing a kind of teaching. And it sounds strange because Jesus commanded us to teach the nations all things. And it sounds strange because teaching is a spiritual gift from God which he would want us to use — and on and on. The reasons why it would sound strange are many. So let’s look, because we know that he is not stupid. He knows what he is saying. He means what he means. And we want to dig in here and let the context help us see how this is coherent.

read the rest here
Click to expand...


you quote me. you did not quote trofimus...go back and check what you did

since you have just flown by a post before and not answered it, I didn't think it strange you would do it again
Click to expand...
I did make the mistake of addressing that answer to you, but still you are the one misunderstanding that scripture. You should ask someone at your church and see what answer they give, because no matter what scripture I give you , you want take it serious, so then this becomes a waist of time.
 
P

pjharrison

Guest
#268
#268
Deade said:
No, this is not Satan's kingdom. God has given dominion of the earth to man (see Gen. 1:28). That said, Satan does rule this world system by influencing man. Putting thoughts into man's head and steering him whatever direction he (Satan) likes. That is why Satan how "the power of the air" in Eph. 2:2.

So God is letting this world run its course to show man, the angels and the demons the outcome of deciding right and wrong for ourselves. As we see in Job chapter one, Satan and his demons only operate as far as God allows them. When all is said and done God retains the power. Bottom line: MY GOD REIGNS!
Click to expand...
Matthew 4:8-9 8Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Satan is king of this world.
John 18:36 36Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.
If Jesus is not king of this world, who is?
 
P

pjharrison

Guest
#269
#269
7seasrekeyed said:
that's really not very credible there dude

I thoroughly and carefully responded to your question and you just blew me off

thankfully, most Christians in North America are educated enough to read the Bible for themself and get if not the whole picture, at least a much better picture then the one you have

well, perhaps someone else may find my response profitable when it comes to teaching, being taught and understanding how that works

it's very telling that you actually ignore the very scripture that points out your error and also very rude of you to ask a question, be given a comprehensive answer and then dismiss it because it points out your grievous error
Click to expand...
Since you think that you know the bible so well would you like to have a friendly debate on any subject in the bible. It has to be biblical. I ask you this because you seem to think because I don't attend a church that I don't know God's word. When I can see that you may read it, but you don't understand it. Prove me wrong.
 
P

pjharrison

Guest
#270
#270
pjharrison said:
Do you even believe that this is Satan kingdom?
Click to expand...
trofimus seriously, I say this in love, you need to be taught all over again. The thread you started about creation, you tore creation all too pieces. You should know better than that,
 
7

7seasrekeyed

Guest
#271
#271
Dino246 said:
It wouldn't be the first time, or even the tenth, that she has responded to someone but quoted someone else... often herself.

Which makes for some funny juxtapositions....
Click to expand...

well it can get confusing when everyone disagrees with you I guess :oops::geek:

might be good not to make notes in the margin of your Bible if you do that though :cool:
 
7

7seasrekeyed

Guest
#272
#272
pjharrison said:
I did make the mistake of addressing that answer to you, but still you are the one misunderstanding that scripture. You should ask someone at your church and see what answer they give, because no matter what scripture I give you , you want take it serious, so then this becomes a waist of time.
Click to expand...
you just blew me off again

that does nothing for your credibility

you do not address anything I wrote in my response to you in which I included a link to an article that addresses your question and explains how what you believe is not at all biblical

the Bible never says we do not need anyone to teach us. just toss your Bible then because it is chock full of teaching...some of which you have badly misinterpreted

Since you think that you know the bible so well would you like to have a friendly debate on any subject in the bible. It has to be biblical. I ask you this because you seem to think because I don't attend a church that I don't know God's word. When I can see that you may read it, but you don't understand it. Prove me wrong.
Click to expand...
or I actually DO know the Bible so well and I am trying to help steer you off your course of flat earth theories, self taught errors and blatant refusal to see what numerous people are trying to help you with

we are already having a 'friendly debate'; only problem is that you dismiss my well documented post and are now trying to put words in my mouth and tell me what I 'seem' to be thinking

what I actually said, and can be proven from my posts, is that your error is believing you do not need a teacher because of what you wrongly interpret John of saying

that is the post wherein I explained at length, why you are wrong and that is the post you have twice now dismissed and now you pretend you would like a debate when we have been doing that all along...actually you are debating everyone else in this thread because people do not agree with your flat earth theory and they do not agree that the sun is orbiting the earth

myself and several other people HAVE proven you wrong

at this point, I'm not trusting you have any intention of honestly taking a look beyond your own internal view of a flat earth with a tiny sun that plays in a dome over the earth with no other planets...stars...or other demonstrations of God's handiwork

maybe someone else is benefitting from what myself and others have responded with regarding your personal interpretations
 
7

7seasrekeyed

Guest
#273
#273
here, again, is the post you need to answer because this post is in answer to what you asked me:



7seasrekeyed said:
you have said enough in your posts to make it plain that you are a fan of youtube conspiracy theories with regards to scripture

first off, THERE IS NO PRIVATE INTERPRETATION of scripture:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2 Peter 1:20

reading II Peter 1:20 in context, we see Peter is referring to OT prophecy and the fact that God spoke through the prophets by His Holy Spirit...continuing in II Peter 2, Peter speaks about false teachers of the then present day...the time he lived in...and continuing in that chapter we read that thes false teachers reveal themselves by how they live and the sin(s) they commit

your interpretation of I John 2: 26-27 is a fallacy believed in by those who do not think they need to be taught and whose 'understanding' of scripture deviates from what is commonly understood, meaning to take the WHOLE counsel of scripture and not just a section or a few verses out of context and derive a new doctrine which actually amounts to private interpretation

so, what is the view held on I John 2:26-27 that has been held since the conception of the NT church regarding private interpretation?

26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
1 John 2:26-27

as you are fixed on the highlighted portion above, let's look at what the intention of John actually is here

first of all, John is not speaking to isolated people who do not come together as a body of believers. John is speaking to people who DO come together as a body of believers so he is NOT writing to individuals who believe they have no teachers and can function all alone (which is actually contrary to what scripture says we are to do)

what does he mean by you do not need anyone to teach you? what does he mean about a real and not counterfeit anointing?

he is speaking of what they have been taught from the beginning...he is writing of the truth that they ALREADY so therefore they are not to accept any other teaching

you interpret it to mean they don't need a teacher

if no teacher is needed, then why is one of the gifts through the Spirit of God 'teaching'?

there is only ONE truth and there is only one devil and he takes that one truth and creates deceiving doctrines and false doctrines and false prophecies through 'doctrines of demons'...teaching spirits that imitate the Holy Spirit and lead gullible people into deception and AWAY from the truth

it is impossible that we do not need teachers as Christ Himself said to go and teach all nations

here is a longer explanation of the above from someone who is answering the question you asked:

Let’s walk through the text and let the context help us out here. Admittedly, it does sound strange to hear John say in 1 John 2:27: “You have no need that anyone should teach you.” It sounds strange, because he himself is at that moment doing a kind of teaching. And it sounds strange because Jesus commanded us to teach the nations all things. And it sounds strange because teaching is a spiritual gift from God which he would want us to use — and on and on. The reasons why it would sound strange are many. So let’s look, because we know that he is not stupid. He knows what he is saying. He means what he means. And we want to dig in here and let the context help us see how this is coherent.

read the rest here
Click to expand...
 
L

LPT

Guest
#274
#274
Yup the place God dwells from there He breathed into exsistence, the universe where the lights shine, earth's atmosphere where the birds fly.
 
P

pjharrison

Guest
#275
#275
7seasrekeyed said:
you just blew me off again

that does nothing for your credibility

you do not address anything I wrote in my response to you in which I included a link to an article that addresses your question and explains how what you believe is not at all biblical

the Bible never says we do not need anyone to teach us. just toss your Bible then because it is chock full of teaching...some of which you have badly misinterpreted



or I actually DO know the Bible so well and I am trying to help steer you off your course of flat earth theories, self taught errors and blatant refusal to see what numerous people are trying to help you with

we are already having a 'friendly debate'; only problem is that you dismiss my well documented post and are now trying to put words in my mouth and tell me what I 'seem' to be thinking

what I actually said, and can be proven from my posts, is that your error is believing you do not need a teacher because of what you wrongly interpret John of saying

that is the post wherein I explained at length, why you are wrong and that is the post you have twice now dismissed and now you pretend you would like a debate when we have been doing that all along...actually you are debating everyone else in this thread because people do not agree with your flat earth theory and they do not agree that the sun is orbiting the earth

myself and several other people HAVE proven you wrong

at this point, I'm not trusting you have any intention of honestly taking a look beyond your own internal view of a flat earth with a tiny sun that plays in a dome over the earth with no other planets...stars...or other demonstrations of God's handiwork

maybe someone else is benefitting from what myself and others have responded with regarding your personal interpretations
Click to expand...
I didn't respond to your explanation because it didn't make any sense. Giving bible verses to you don't do any good. It's a waste of time.
 
7

7seasrekeyed

Guest
#276
#276
speaking of debates, I think an interesting one would be the psychological appeal of conspiracy theories...especially, it seems, those that are actually easily disproven

but I doubt psychology is 'allowed' in flat earthers little dome world and may be seen as demons in the atmosphere first heaven :geek:
 
7

7seasrekeyed

Guest
#277
#277
pjharrison said:
I didn't respond to your explanation because it didn't make any sense. Giving bible verses to you don't do any good. It's a waste of time.
Click to expand...

and yet you sleep soundly? saying nothing made sense? all that scripture did not make sense?

get outta Dodge LOL!
 
P

pjharrison

Guest
#278
#278
7seasrekeyed said:
speaking of debates, I think an interesting one would be the psychological appeal of conspiracy theories...especially, it seems, those that are actually easily disproven

but I doubt psychology is 'allowed' in flat earthers little dome world and may be seen as demons in the atmosphere first heaven :geek:
Click to expand...
That has nothing to do with what is in the bible. Your understanding is just not good. This scripture means just what it is saying. 1 John 2:26-27 26I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit-just as it has taught you, remain in him.
You don't won't to understand. Ask your pastor. He may know.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.