Did you know the early church never gathered on Sunday?
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WRONG!
Passages of Scripture such as Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10 indicate that, even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s day, Sunday, instead.
The early Church Fathers compared the observance of the Sabbath to the observance of the rite of circumcision, and from that they demonstrated that if the apostles abolished circumcision (Gal. 5:1-6), so also the observance of the Sabbath must have been abolished.
The following quotations show that the first Christians understood this principle and gathered for worship on Sunday.
The Letter of Barnabas
"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).
Ignatius of Antioch
"[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day [Sunday], on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).
Justin Martyr
"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead" (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).
The Didache
"But every Lord’s day [Sunday]. . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).
The Didascalia
"The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the holy scriptures, and the oblation [sacrifice of the Mass], because on the first day of the week [i.e., Sunday] our Lord rose from the place of the dead, and on the first day of the week he arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week he ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week he will appear at last with the angels of heaven" (Didascalia 2 [A.D. 225]).
The Apostolic Constitutions
"And on the day of our Lord’s resurrection, which is the Lord’s day [Sunday], meet more diligently, sending praise to God that made the universe by Jesus, and sent him to us, and condescended to let him suffer, and raised him from the dead. Otherwise what apology will he make to God who does not assemble on that day . . . in which is performed the reading of the prophets, the preaching of the gospel, the oblation of the sacrifice [the Mass], the gift of the holy food [Eucharist]" (Apostolic Constitutions 2:7:60 [A.D. 400]).
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Sabbath or Sunday? | Answers
Passages of Scripture such as Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10 indicate that, even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s day, Sunday, instead.
The early Church Fathers compared the observance of the Sabbath to the observance of the rite of circumcision, and from that they demonstrated that if the apostles abolished circumcision (Gal. 5:1-6), so also the observance of the Sabbath must have been abolished.
The following quotations show that the first Christians understood this principle and gathered for worship on Sunday.
The Letter of Barnabas
"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).
Ignatius of Antioch
"[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day [Sunday], on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).
Justin Martyr
"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead" (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).
The Didache
"But every Lord’s day [Sunday]. . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).
The Didascalia
"The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the holy scriptures, and the oblation [sacrifice of the Mass], because on the first day of the week [i.e., Sunday] our Lord rose from the place of the dead, and on the first day of the week he arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week he ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week he will appear at last with the angels of heaven" (Didascalia 2 [A.D. 225]).
The Apostolic Constitutions
"And on the day of our Lord’s resurrection, which is the Lord’s day [Sunday], meet more diligently, sending praise to God that made the universe by Jesus, and sent him to us, and condescended to let him suffer, and raised him from the dead. Otherwise what apology will he make to God who does not assemble on that day . . . in which is performed the reading of the prophets, the preaching of the gospel, the oblation of the sacrifice [the Mass], the gift of the holy food [Eucharist]" (Apostolic Constitutions 2:7:60 [A.D. 400]).
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Sabbath or Sunday? | Answers
No. By your questions you question and imply that The Sabbath keepers can't do anything at all whatsoever, when actuality it has nothing to do with those technicalities.
Sabbath keepers sure choose not to work, not to spend hours in the kitchen cooking etc, but if need be they will do what is right by the understanding of scripture during that time period (by this I mean during time known as The Sabbath, not during the time of Christ). By your questions you make it seem like if The Sabbath keepers are under a yoke, which is not the case.
Sabbath keepers sure choose not to work, not to spend hours in the kitchen cooking etc, but if need be they will do what is right by the understanding of scripture during that time period (by this I mean during time known as The Sabbath, not during the time of Christ). By your questions you make it seem like if The Sabbath keepers are under a yoke, which is not the case.
Let me again write the question:
Which is good...
walking or driving on Sabbath...
Jesus said:
Mat 12:11And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
Mat 12:12How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
It is lawful to do WELL on the Sabbath Days...
I think john832 asked, If he was a legalist in observing the Sabbath...
My response was no...he was just resting...
but if his righteousness is based on Sabbath keeping...then the term Legalist fits.
Now if their congregation have a list of things not to do on Sabbath...it is good...but If there is a consequence if someone break those list and brand them as belonging to Beast then they are again under yoke...
and With regards to the list of not to do, who then decide which is well to do on Sabbath...
someone gave an example of resting in electronics...
what includes in the electronics is there an exemption and why....
Which is good...
walking or driving on Sabbath...
Jesus said:
Mat 12:11And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
Mat 12:12How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
It is lawful to do WELL on the Sabbath Days...
I think john832 asked, If he was a legalist in observing the Sabbath...
My response was no...he was just resting...
but if his righteousness is based on Sabbath keeping...then the term Legalist fits.
Now if their congregation have a list of things not to do on Sabbath...it is good...but If there is a consequence if someone break those list and brand them as belonging to Beast then they are again under yoke...
and With regards to the list of not to do, who then decide which is well to do on Sabbath...
someone gave an example of resting in electronics...
what includes in the electronics is there an exemption and why....
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No one should brand anything on anyone. And by their fruits they will be known. .
Thank you, and I apologize for the misunderstanding. I can't speak for all the churches The Sabbath keepers attend, but I highly doubt that they have a list of things not to do, again I can't say for all. I think the understanding on how to keep The Sabbath among them is understood to be.....It is lawful to do WELL on the Sabbath Days... I can't speak for Jews I don't have knowledge as to how they keep it.
Thank you, and I apologize for the misunderstanding. I can't speak for all the churches The Sabbath keepers attend, but I highly doubt that they have a list of things not to do, again I can't say for all. I think the understanding on how to keep The Sabbath among them is understood to be.....It is lawful to do WELL on the Sabbath Days... I can't speak for Jews I don't have knowledge as to how they keep it.
If I choose to follow the Commandments, and observe the Sabbath in accordance with them, I can not attend worship services on them. If I choose to attend worship services, I must choose a different day of the week. I choose to attend worship services on Sunday and Wednesday.
If your observance of the Sabbath involves anything other than rest and allowing everyone else to rest, you are violating the commandment. I suggest that anyone who holds a worship service on the Sabbath, move that service to another day, and enter into a day of rest for themselves and those in their household on the Sabbath. Telling anyone that they should no observe Sunday (or any other day except the Sabbath) as a day of worship, is wrong.
If your observance of the Sabbath involves anything other than rest and allowing everyone else to rest, you are violating the commandment. I suggest that anyone who holds a worship service on the Sabbath, move that service to another day, and enter into a day of rest for themselves and those in their household on the Sabbath. Telling anyone that they should no observe Sunday (or any other day except the Sabbath) as a day of worship, is wrong.
Jesus wasn't Christian, Platypus. He was/is Christ himself. His followers are called Christians. Understand?
He started a Church which exists still today, built upon Peter the Apostle;
"And I tell you, you are Peter (rock), and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it."
- Mat 16:18
"built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone."
- Eph 2:20
It is a visible church. It is ONE church. It is the Catholic church, and NOT this ambiguous and newfangled Protestant idea of a "church". That came along just a few hundred years ago, 1500 years after.
For goodness sake, investigate these things yourself. This is Christianity 101 stuff.
He started a Church which exists still today, built upon Peter the Apostle;
"And I tell you, you are Peter (rock), and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it."
- Mat 16:18
"built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone."
- Eph 2:20
It is a visible church. It is ONE church. It is the Catholic church, and NOT this ambiguous and newfangled Protestant idea of a "church". That came along just a few hundred years ago, 1500 years after.
For goodness sake, investigate these things yourself. This is Christianity 101 stuff.
1 Corinthians 10: KJV
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
2 Samuel 22:32 ESV
“For who is God, but the Lord? And who is a rock, except our God?
Psalm 18:2 ESV
The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, my God, my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.
Deuteronomy 32: 4 KJV
4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
Deuteronomy 32:18 ESV
You were unmindful of the Rock that bore you, and you forgot the God who gave you birth.
Isaiah 28
16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
Psalms 118: 22 The stone which the builders rejected is become the chief corner-stone.
In ancient building practices, the cornerstone was the principal stone placed at the corner of the edifice. The cornerstone was usually one of the largest, the most solid, and the most carefully constructed of any in the edifice.
I'd take God for a Rock any day before putting my foundation on a man.
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
2 Samuel 22:32 ESV
“For who is God, but the Lord? And who is a rock, except our God?
Psalm 18:2 ESV
The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, my God, my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.
Deuteronomy 32: 4 KJV
4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
Deuteronomy 32:18 ESV
You were unmindful of the Rock that bore you, and you forgot the God who gave you birth.
Isaiah 28
16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
Psalms 118: 22 The stone which the builders rejected is become the chief corner-stone.
In ancient building practices, the cornerstone was the principal stone placed at the corner of the edifice. The cornerstone was usually one of the largest, the most solid, and the most carefully constructed of any in the edifice.
I'd take God for a Rock any day before putting my foundation on a man.
K
Guess I will post it again
Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
John 20:1
The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Acts 20:7
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1 Cor 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.: 2
Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
John 20:1
The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Acts 20:7
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1 Cor 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.: 2
Re: the early congregation in the wilderness, gathered mana on Sunday
just like all the 6 normal days of the week.
but the church was told the Sabbath day was special.
and God drove it home for 40 years with mana.
christen, church , Isreal, congregation
they applied the passover blood,
they departed from sin,
they where baptized,
4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of
that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
God was There God , they where his people.
they would live long and prosper, in promised land
they where the church, worshiping God as directed.
God gave them the Sabbath as a gift, to honor his creation,
but they grumbled about it as they still do now to this day.
5But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
so what really changed
just like all the 6 normal days of the week.
but the church was told the Sabbath day was special.
and God drove it home for 40 years with mana.
christen, church , Isreal, congregation
they applied the passover blood,
they departed from sin,
they where baptized,
4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of
that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
God was There God , they where his people.
they would live long and prosper, in promised land
they where the church, worshiping God as directed.
God gave them the Sabbath as a gift, to honor his creation,
but they grumbled about it as they still do now to this day.
5But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
so what really changed
Hello Kerry!
It is true, your quotes make mention of the first day of the week. This does not say they make any connection to the Sabbath of God except perhaps, all waited so as not to break the Sabbath for the first day of the week.
When we search the Scriptures there is no mention of the Sabbath having been changed from the Seventh day to the first day.
Now, many make reference to John's revelation on Patmos when he says he was there on the "day of the Lord." This too is no connection whatsoever to the first day, for the Sabbath was always the Sabbath of the Lord.
Many people have put together what they believe is a convincing argument that all of what you post and that reference to the "day of the Lord" in revelation shout something to the effect that the Sabbath, the Seventh Day, has been exchanged by the first day.
Do you not see how preposterous this notion is? The Seventh Day represents so much on God's revelations to His Children that the idea of His changing the Day He rested to the first day of creation is not just ludicrous, it is blatently frightening.
We worship every day, but the Sabbath of the Lord will always follow the six days of common labor.
God bless you Kerry. We are brothers as long as we remain in Jesus Christ.
It is true, your quotes make mention of the first day of the week. This does not say they make any connection to the Sabbath of God except perhaps, all waited so as not to break the Sabbath for the first day of the week.
When we search the Scriptures there is no mention of the Sabbath having been changed from the Seventh day to the first day.
Now, many make reference to John's revelation on Patmos when he says he was there on the "day of the Lord." This too is no connection whatsoever to the first day, for the Sabbath was always the Sabbath of the Lord.
Many people have put together what they believe is a convincing argument that all of what you post and that reference to the "day of the Lord" in revelation shout something to the effect that the Sabbath, the Seventh Day, has been exchanged by the first day.
Do you not see how preposterous this notion is? The Seventh Day represents so much on God's revelations to His Children that the idea of His changing the Day He rested to the first day of creation is not just ludicrous, it is blatently frightening.
We worship every day, but the Sabbath of the Lord will always follow the six days of common labor.
God bless you Kerry. We are brothers as long as we remain in Jesus Christ.