Dietary Law?

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Dietary Law: Yes or No?

  • Yes, Law is still in place

    Votes: 6 37.5%
  • No, I can eat what I want

    Votes: 10 62.5%

  • Total voters
    16
  • Poll closed .
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Ez.22:26.

Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned Mine Holy things:
they have put no difference between the Holy and profane,
neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean,
and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.
 
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Elin said:
Think about it, Hizikyah.

If the clean and unclean regulations which were in place at the time of Noah (Ge 7:1-2) were about food, God would not have
given "everything that lives and moves" as food when Noah got off the boat
(Ge 9:3).

Until the time of Moses,
the temporary "clean and unclean" were about sacrifices, not about food.
Clean and unclean ended when the sacrifices ended, which is why the NT teaches that
all food is clean (Lk 11:41; Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25, 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10; Col 2:16-19).
It does not explicitly state on my view or on your view,
The word of God does explicitly state that all food is now clean
(Lk 11:41; Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25, 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10; Col 2:16-19).


applying this verse as a guarantee either way
It is not a guarantee. The guarantee is the NT Scriptures above.

It is simply a consistent confirmation in Scripture shown by the sequence of events.
 

Hizikyah

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The word of God does explicitly state that all food is now clean
(Lk 11:41; Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25, 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10; Col 2:16-19).



It is not a guarantee. The guarantee is the NT Scriptures above.

It is simply a consistent confirmation in Scripture shown by the sequence of events.
Nice way to cut out part of my reply, in which I was talking about a particular verse, and make it seem as if im saying nowhere is there a answer.... Isayah 66 past, present or future? Future. Wake up.
 
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Col:2:14: Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col:2:15: And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col:2:16: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col:2:17: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ(Colossians 2:14-17).

We do not have to obey the physical ordinances of Israel in the New Testament.

The Bible says that Jesus took the physical ordinances out of the way nailing them to His cross because they were contrary to us,which means they had no bearing on spiritual salvation and being right with God spiritually,although they had a bearing of keeping Israel right while on earth before Jesus came to bring spiritual salvation.

Jesus took those physical ordinances away so then let no person judge you in meats,or drinks,or new moons,or holy days,or of the sabbath days,which means they cannot tell you to keep them for we do not have to obey the physical ordinances of Israel,and when you have the Spirit you are part of the body of Christ and only go by the moral laws of God which is laws of love towards God and people.

1Tm:4:1: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Tm:4:2: Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Tm:4:3: Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Tm:4:4: For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Tm:4:5: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer(1 Timothy 4:1-5).

God said that all food is good and nothing to be refused because in the New Testament it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

God warns us that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith and go by a false interpretation of the Bible that exalts people and diminishes God,which will become so popular that the Bible says that the time will come that people will not endure the truth of the Bible but want to hear the Bible according to their own lusts,which means they want personal power.

The devil will use this false interpretation of the Bible to deceive the world and take away the hope of the world,and prepare the way for the man of sin.

They probably command to abstain from meats because they are nature worshippers that do not believe in te personal God but honor the God of forces or nature.

Of course this has nothing to do with people that accept Jesus as the savior because if they want to eat certain things or believe we can only eat certain things it is their business,but these people do not accept Jesus as the savior but as a good teacher and are nature woshippers who do not believe in a personal God.

You can eat whatever you want in the New Testament but God said we do not have to go by the dietary laws of Israel but all meat is good and nothing to be refused and Jesus took the physical ordinance of meats out of the way,so eat what you want but God said do not tell anybody to abstain from meats that God said is alright to eat.

The Bible says that whatever a person thinks is a sin,that it is wrong,and does it anyway,to that person it is sin.

That means if a person thinks that eating pork is wrong even though God says it is alright and eats it anyway then it is a sin and they did wrong.

That means if a person believes eating pork is wrong and eats pork they committed a sin even though God said it is alright.

We can eat whatever meat we want in the New Testament.
 
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Ez.22:26.

Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned Mine Holy things:
they have put no difference between the Holy and profane,
neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean,
and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.
Yes, that includes the temporary sacrificial regulations and the food regulations put into effect
by the temporary Levitical regulations.
The Levitical regulations depended on the Levitical priesthood, and
when the Levitical priesthood was replaced with the eternal priesthood of Melchizedek,
the regulations were replaced with those of the new eternal High Priest, Christ, given in the NT
(Lk 11:41; see Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25, 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10; Col 2:16-19).
 
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Nice way to cut out part of my reply, in which I was talking about a particular verse, and make it seem as if im saying nowhere is there a answer.... Isayah 66 past, present or future? Future. Wake up.
That, of course, would be your personal interpretation of a prophetic riddle,
which can be, and is, interpreted by others to mean something entirely different.
 

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That, of course, would be your personal interpretation of a prophetic riddle,
which can be, and is, interpreted by others to mean something entirely different.
Yes I agree people look at things differently.

To me "new heavens and new earth" is pretty clear....

Isayah 66:21-24, "And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, says Yahweh. For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make will remain before Me, says Yahweh: so will your seed and your name remain. And it will come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh will come to worship before Me, says Yahweh. And they will go forth and look upon the carcasses of the men who have transgressed against Me; for their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched; and they will be an abhorrence to all flesh."

4 verses earlier, if you read through it is one message:

Isayah 66:17, "They who sanctify themselves*, and purify themselves in the gardens, following after the "priest in the midst" of those who eat swine's flesh, that which is offered to gods and the rodent--will be consumed together: says Yahweh."

The Hebrew text renders this phrase: following the one in the center, rather than: one behind the other, as in the King James version. This ONE in the center is an idolatrous PRIEST or PREACHER. A Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament by Julius Furst, Page 1463.

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that *I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

Sign
is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.


Isayah 66:, "...from one Sabbath to another, all flesh will come to worship before Me, says Yahweh.
 
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Elin said:
Elin said:
Hizikyah said:
Ge 7:1-2 does not state the clean and unclean were only for sacrificial purpose.
Think about it, Hizikyah.

If the clean and unclean regulations which were in place at the time of Noah (Ge 7:1-2) were about food, God would not have given "everything that lives and moves" as food when Noah got off the boat (Ge 9:3).

The clean and unclean regulations in place at the time of Noah (Ge 7:1-2) were for sacrificial purposes, not for food purposes, as is seen in Ge 9:3.

Until the time of Moses, the temporary "clean and unclean" were about sacrifices, not about food.
Clean and unclean ended when the sacrifices ended, which is why the NT teaches that all food is clean
(Lk 11:41; Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25,
1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10; Col 2:16-19).
It does not explicitly state on my view or on your view, applying this verse as a guarantee either way can not be proven, unless there is a supporting Scripture we are not aware of.

I provided MUCH information concerning Scripture to support my view,
But the information does not address the point--the change of regulations in the NT order (Heb 9:10).
Nice way to cut out part of my reply, in which I was talking about a particular verse, and make it seem as if im saying nowhere is there a answer....
The meaning of Ge 7:1-2 is evident.
 
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Elin said:
That, of course, would be your personal interpretation of a prophetic riddle,
which can be, and is, interpreted by others to mean something entirely different.
Yes I agree people look at things differently.
And I understand that these are your personal interpretations of prophetic riddles,
which can be, and are, interpreted by others to mean things entirely different.
 
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And I understand that these are your personal interpretations of prophetic riddles,
which can be, and are, interpreted by others to mean things entirely different.
Its "funny" and telling how you pick certain sentences out my posts but never address any of the substance... Those that seek truth dont run from anything.
 
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Its "funny" and telling how
you pick certain sentences out my posts but never address any of the substance... Those that seek truth dont run from anything.
The issue is not all the OT Scriptures regarding clean and unclean,
including prophetic riddles subject to more than one interpretation.

The issue is the new order (Heb 9:10) of Lk 11:41;
Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25, 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10; Col 2:16-19.
 
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Yes I agree people look at things differently.

To me "new heavens and new earth" is pretty clear....

Isayah 66:21-24, "And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, says Yahweh. For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make will remain before Me, says Yahweh: so will your seed and your name remain. And it will come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh will come to worship before Me, says Yahweh. And they will go forth and look upon the carcasses of the men who have transgressed against Me; for their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched; and they will be an abhorrence to all flesh."

4 verses earlier, if you read through it is one message:

Isayah 66:17, "They who sanctify themselves*, and purify themselves in the gardens, following after the "priest in the midst" of those who eat swine's flesh, that which is offered to gods and the rodent--will be consumed together: says Yahweh."

The Hebrew text renders this phrase: following the one in the center, rather than: one behind the other, as in the King James version. This ONE in the center is an idolatrous PRIEST or PREACHER. A Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament by Julius Furst, Page 1463.

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that *I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

Sign
is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.


Isayah 66:, "...from one Sabbath to another, all flesh will come to worship before Me, says Yahweh.
Is Isayah 66 past, present or future?

If it is not past then how do you reconcile what is written within with your doctrine?

and I dont expect you to answer everything I wrote on the first page but do you think I made any errors in those posts? (one the first page thing I wot hold it against you if you dont want to read all of it, it is key to this topic but I understand you may not want to read through it.

But lets really talk Isa 66, not just "you got a different view" but lets walk and talk?
 
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Is Isayah 66 past, present or future?

If it is not past then how do you reconcile what is written within with your doctrine?

and I dont expect you to answer everything I wrote on the first page but do you think I made any errors in those posts? (one the first page thing I wot hold it against you if you dont want to read all of it, it is key to this topic but I understand you may not want to read through it.

But lets really talk Isa 66, not just "you got a different view" but lets walk and talk?
I hear you, but I interpret prophetic riddles differently than you do.

Since no personal interpretation is certain or authoritative,
the only basis by which to judge our interpretations is authoritative NT teaching.

Your interpretations are in disagreement with certain and authoritative NT teaching in
Lk 11:41; Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25, 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10; Col 2:16-19
of the new order (Heb 9:10).
 

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But lets really talk Isa 66, not just "you got a different view" but lets walk and talk?
I hear you, but I interpret prophetic riddles differently than you do.

Since no personal interpretation is certain or authoritative,
the only basis by which to judge our interpretations is authoritative NT teaching.

Your interpretations are in disagreement with certain and authoritative NT teaching in
Lk 11:41; Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25, 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10; Col 2:16-19
of the new order (Heb 9:10).
See you wont touch it, how can I think you are here to speak and seek truth if you ignore Scripture....

So until you are ready to talk about that I would like to temporarily depart from this conversation, I could speak upon every Scripture you have listed there, but to what end? If you wont consider or even speak upon any Scriptural substance I have brought up so far, why would I expect anything different in the future?
 
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Col:2:14: Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col:2:15: And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col:2:16: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col:2:17: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ(Colossians 2:14-17).

We do not have to obey the physical ordinances of Israel in the New Testament.

The Bible says that Jesus took the physical ordinances out of the way nailing them to His cross because they were contrary to us,which means they had no bearing on spiritual salvation and being right with God spiritually,although they had a bearing of keeping Israel right while on earth before Jesus came to bring spiritual salvation.

Jesus took those physical ordinances away so then let no person judge you in meats,or drinks,or new moons,or holy days,or of the sabbath days,which means they cannot tell you to keep them for we do not have to obey the physical ordinances of Israel,and when you have the Spirit you are part of the body of Christ and only go by the moral laws of God which is laws of love towards God and people.

1Tm:4:1: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Tm:4:2: Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Tm:4:3: Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Tm:4:4: For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Tm:4:5: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer(1 Timothy 4:1-5).

God said that all food is good and nothing to be refused because in the New Testament it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

God warns us that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith and go by a false interpretation of the Bible that exalts people and diminishes God,which will become so popular that the Bible says that the time will come that people will not endure the truth of the Bible but want to hear the Bible according to their own lusts,which means they want personal power.

The devil will use this false interpretation of the Bible to deceive the world and take away the hope of the world,and prepare the way for the man of sin.

They probably command to abstain from meats because they are nature worshippers that do not believe in te personal God but honor the God of forces or nature.

Of course this has nothing to do with people that accept Jesus as the savior because if they want to eat certain things or believe we can only eat certain things it is their business,but these people do not accept Jesus as the savior but as a good teacher and are nature woshippers who do not believe in a personal God.

You can eat whatever you want in the New Testament but God said we do not have to go by the dietary laws of Israel but all meat is good and nothing to be refused and Jesus took the physical ordinance of meats out of the way,so eat what you want but God said do not tell anybody to abstain from meats that God said is alright to eat.

The Bible says that whatever a person thinks is a sin,that it is wrong,and does it anyway,to that person it is sin.

That means if a person thinks that eating pork is wrong even though God says it is alright and eats it anyway then it is a sin and they did wrong.

That means if a person believes eating pork is wrong and eats pork they committed a sin even though God said it is alright.

We can eat whatever meat we want in the New Testament.
Care to explain this verse

[h=1]Genesis 9 King James Version (KJV)[/h]9 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
 
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Col:2:14: Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col:2:15: And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col:2:16: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col:2:17: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ(Colossians 2:14-17).

We do not have to obey the physical ordinances of Israel in the New Testament.

The Bible says that Jesus took the physical ordinances out of the way nailing them to His cross because they were contrary to us,which means they had no bearing on spiritual salvation and being right with God spiritually,although they had a bearing of keeping Israel right while on earth before Jesus came to bring spiritual salvation.

Jesus took those physical ordinances away so then let no person judge you in meats,or drinks,or new moons,or holy days,or of the sabbath days,which means they cannot tell you to keep them for we do not have to obey the physical ordinances of Israel,and when you have the Spirit you are part of the body of Christ and only go by the moral laws of God which is laws of love towards God and people.

1Tm:4:1: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Tm:4:2: Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Tm:4:3: Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Tm:4:4: For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Tm:4:5: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer(1 Timothy 4:1-5).

God said that all food is good and nothing to be refused because in the New Testament it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

God warns us that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith and go by a false interpretation of the Bible that exalts people and diminishes God,which will become so popular that the Bible says that the time will come that people will not endure the truth of the Bible but want to hear the Bible according to their own lusts,which means they want personal power.

The devil will use this false interpretation of the Bible to deceive the world and take away the hope of the world,and prepare the way for the man of sin.

They probably command to abstain from meats because they are nature worshippers that do not believe in te personal God but honor the God of forces or nature.

Of course this has nothing to do with people that accept Jesus as the savior because if they want to eat certain things or believe we can only eat certain things it is their business,but these people do not accept Jesus as the savior but as a good teacher and are nature woshippers who do not believe in a personal God.

You can eat whatever you want in the New Testament but God said we do not have to go by the dietary laws of Israel but all meat is good and nothing to be refused and Jesus took the physical ordinance of meats out of the way,so eat what you want but God said do not tell anybody to abstain from meats that God said is alright to eat.

The Bible says that whatever a person thinks is a sin,that it is wrong,and does it anyway,to that person it is sin.

That means if a person thinks that eating pork is wrong even though God says it is alright and eats it anyway then it is a sin and they did wrong.

That means if a person believes eating pork is wrong and eats pork they committed a sin even though God said it is alright.

We can eat whatever meat we want in the New Testament.
Will you thank God for unclean food or doctrine ?
 
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[h=1]Acts 10:16-21King James Version (KJV)[/h]16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
18 And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.
19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.
21 Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?

It was an unlawful thing for a Jew to keep company, or come in unto one of another nation, "And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean." - Acts 10:28
. Peter said, "God hath shewed me that I should not call any man (not animals) common or unclean." So it was the Gentiles God had cleansed and not the foods pronounced unclean. this is all that Peter got out of the vision, and we can not get any more out of it than Peter did.
 
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The point is it does not defile by itself as in the OT law - it is clean to you if you believe it is clean, and if you see wrong, it will defile you if you eat.
To me personally, it would be cruel to eat it. I wouldnt condemn another if they eat with thanksgiving and their own heart does not condemn them.
When was the eating of blood 1st forbidden ?
 
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Because the NT says not to on that as well, but it still does not say we can not eat ham.

Acts 15:20
But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.




but I thought it is not what goes into a man defiles him :confused:

would eating those things forbidden in acts 15:20 defile a man why or why not ?
 
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but I thought it is not what goes into a man defiles him :confused:

would eating those things forbidden in acts 15:20 defile a man why or why not ?

Yes because it is not the eating of blood that defiles you, it is the direct disobedience to a command that would defile you.
You can not twist one thing to say it is the same with the other, as in the new testament their is nothing about eating certain meats. Just the blood as it is the life source of the animal.