Dietary Law?

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Dietary Law: Yes or No?

  • Yes, Law is still in place

    Votes: 6 37.5%
  • No, I can eat what I want

    Votes: 10 62.5%

  • Total voters
    16
  • Poll closed .

john832

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That does not seem so inane to you?

"So in other words, the One who gave the Law to Moses changed his mind" about the Levitical priesthood and the animal sacrifices?

Nor did Jesus of Nazareth give the Law to Moses.
So, OK, then are there any Laws that are permanent?

Since Christ changes His mind every once in a while, what are the Laws for today? They are probably different because they change all the time.

The Laws concerning the Priesthood were changed concerning what tribe could serve at the Altar of God. Christ is so insistent about obeying His own Laws that instead of violating them, He made a revision to a Law.

Now He devoted quite a bit of the book of Hebrews to explaining that change. Where do we find all the scripture directly explaining the change in clean and unclean?
 

john832

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You've been misled concerning the Pharisees. An interesting read is at BAR (Biblical Archaeology Review magazine) 9:04, Jul/Aug 2013

Biblical Views: The Pharisees—Good Guys with Bad Press by Roland Deines.


The people most criticizing them are the Torah Observant Judaizers who insist on making New Testament Christian theology too infected with Greek and Roman paganism to be trusted, so they seek to lead Christians back to the Jewishness of Jesus.

In Christ I died to the law, finding it valuable though to understand more fully why the New Covenant is better. Early churches around the known world were of Gentile believers who had no background in the Torah, rarely having any acces to a copy of it. They were saved by the preaching of the gospel as presented in the New Testament, and shielded from having to observe the Torah by decree in Acts 15.
Ah, OK, now I understand. It took an article written by a man to reveal the truth. Just like everything else Christ taught, we should disregard this...


Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
Mat 23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
Mat 23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

And you can read the rest of the chapter for yourself.
 
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So, OK, then are there any Laws that are permanent?

Since Christ changes His mind every once in a while, what are the Laws for today? They are probably different because they change all the time.

The Laws concerning the Priesthood were changed concerning what tribe could serve at the Altar of God. Christ is so insistent about obeying His own Laws that instead of violating them, He made a revision to a Law.

Now He devoted quite a bit of the book of Hebrews to explaining that change.
Where do we find all the scripture directly explaining the change in clean and unclean?
I've seen that presented to you over and over.

It seems to me that it's not for lack of Scripture, but for lack of your belief of them.
 

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I've seen that presented to you over and over.

It seems to me that it's not for lack of Scripture, but for lack of your belief of them.
Uh, where o where is this?

There are some scriptures that are twisted, Acts 10 and 11 (the content is accepting Gentiles), I Tim 4 (doctrines of demons). Where else?
 
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john832 said:
Where do we find all the scripture directly explaining the change in clean and unclean?
I've seen that presented to you over and over.

It seems to me that it's not for lack of Scripture, but for lack of your belief of them.
Uh, where o where is this?
The most egregious to you, 1Co 8:8, 10:15, were presented here.

Others were presented here, all of which pertain to dietary regulations.

You didn't read them, did you?
 
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That does not seem so inane to you?

"So in other words, the One who gave the Law to Moses changed his mind" about the Levitical priesthood and the animal sacrifices?

Nor did Jesus of Nazareth give the Law to Moses.
A gold star for you today!

How could it be that God, almighty God, allow most of our New Testament scriptures to be presented, by inspiration from the Holy Spirit, to be corrupted because Paul was a Pharisee?

The problem is entirely with modern Judaizers who don't know the full history of the Pharisee party, how they actually helped carry Judaism over the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple into the new world Jews found themselves living in while devoid of ability to fulfill Moses by their own works. So the oral tradition entered in after 70AD, promoted by Pharisees. Without them all of Judaism would have vanished from earth!

Now come the modern Judaizers who would reject the apostle Paul's leadership due to his being a Pharisee, therefore disqualified to deliver the word of God!

That's what this recurring pressure to follow the observance of the Torah, such as their dietary law is about, reverting to it on the basis of disqualifying the word of the apostles who are claimied by them to have perverted by Greek/Roman paganism. So they quote some verses of the apostles to cherry-pick what they need to convert some simple-mined babes in Christ.

Beware the "Cision".......
 
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3331 - metathesis - transformation

"wondered that there was no intercessor"
 
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Ah, OK, now I understand. It took an article written by a man to reveal the truth. Just like everything else Christ taught, we should disregard this...

Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
Mat 23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
Mat 23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

And you can read the rest of the chapter for yourself.
Modern scholars are increasingly seeing through the base of the Judaizers, the beliefs that drive them, always have. Jesus only corrected the scribes and Pharisees that actually showed up opposing him with their opinions of law. He didn't curse them all, for "all" would have been a few thousand that never showed up to criticize Jesus. Many of them, that "silent majority" in every society, including Paul, became believers on Jesus. Your case rests upon demonizing all Pharisees. For shame! Every generation has had the equivalent of rogue Pharisee types to contend with. In Acts 15 some Pharisees are counted as believers, but still held by the law. They were corrected.

I am posing a condemnation against Judaizers here that put Paul, once a Pharisee, as ineligible to deliver truth. I will add that damnation of your soul follows if you are in that number.

By Paul's admission, Paul was a Pharisee, but Jesus got hold of him, and used his knowledge of the law and the various interpretations of it to sort out the truth, the word of God.

Christians, we are under continued attack from Satan through such people who remain blind to the truth. Keep your spiritual armor up.
 

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Is this a spiritual attack or a Righteous Spiritual warning?

Romans 2:4-12, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath.” Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh.For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.”

Revelation 2:14, "But I have a few things against you, because you have there some who hold the teaching of Balaam, who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit acts of immorality. "
 
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So, OK, then are there any Laws that are permanent?

Since Christ changes His mind every once in a while, what are the Laws for today? They are probably different because they change all the time.

The Laws concerning the Priesthood were changed concerning what tribe could serve at the Altar of God. Christ is so insistent about obeying His own Laws that instead of violating them, He made a revision to a Law.

Now He devoted quite a bit of the book of Hebrews to explaining that change. Where do we find all the scripture directly explaining the change in clean and unclean?
Deuteronomy 12
 
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So, OK, then are there any Laws that are permanent?
The law of Christ (Mt 22:37-39) is permanent.

We have nothing in the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers that alters it.
 
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3331 - metathesis - transformation

"wondered that there was no intercessor"
Try coming up to the level of Pharisee, then strive for disciple of Christ.

Who is Isaiah speaking to in that chapter? Israel, the oracles of the law.
Isaiah 59:1-8 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
[SUP]2 [/SUP] But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] They hatch cockatrice' eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace.

So you like verse 16? It is down the road for fulfillment. Meanwhile, all who champion the law are left wondering.

Turn to Jesus the Christ of God.
 

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Try coming up to the level of Pharisee, then strive for disciple of Christ
Genesis (Bereshith) 50:20, "You intended harm against me, but Yahweh intended it for blessing, in order to accomplish this day the keeping alive of many people."

wow so im lower than a pharisees and not a follower of Messiah on your word? you are judging things that are beyond you ability. you have shown yourself to me, I will not be bothered if we never speak again.

John 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."


Revelation 12:17 New American Standard Bible
"So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children,who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.""

Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
 
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Is this a spiritual attack or a Righteous Spiritual warning?

Romans 2:4-12, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath.” Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh.For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.”

Revelation 2:14, "But I have a few things against you, because you have there some who hold the teaching of Balaam, who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit acts of immorality. "
If you were a Christian preacher, I'd believe you missed some of your sermon points, then presented a false doctrine.
Here's more context to help you find truth.
Romans 2:13-29 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

[SUP]17 [/SUP] Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Paul was not speaking to the Pharisees. By then many of them were Christians. By then many of the priests of Judaism had become beievers a decade before Acts 15. They saw the light of the New Covenant.
Acts 6:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.
 
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3331 - metathesis - transformation

"wondered that there was no intercessor"
The Greek metathesis is not "transformation," it is "transmutation," abolition of one thing,
and the substitution of another.

The Greek metamorphoo is "transformation," to change into another form,
as in Christ's transfiguration,
as in the caterpillar to the butterfly (metamorphosis),
as in transformed into the image of Christ (2Co 3:18), etc. (Ro 12:2).

The Levitical priesthood was not transformed (metamorphoo) into
the NT priesthood of Christ,
it was transmuted (metathesis) to, abolished and substituted by, another priesthood.
 
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The Greek metathesis is not "transformation," it is "transmutation," abolition of one thing,
and the substitution of another.

The Greek metamorphoo is "transformation," to change into another form,
as in Christ's transfiguration,
as in the caterpillar to the butterfly (metamorphosis),
as in transformed into the image of Christ (2Co 3:18), etc. (Ro 12:2).

The Levitical priesthood was not transformed (metamorphoo) into
the NT priesthood of Christ,
it was transmuted (metathesis) to, abolished and substituted by, another priesthood.

Strong's Concordance


3331 - metathesis
metathesis: a change, removal
Original Word: μετάθεσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metathesis
Phonetic Spelling: (met-ath'-es-is)
Short Definition:change, transformation, removal
Definition: (a) change, transformation, (b) removal.

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) transfer: from one place to another 2) to change 2a) of things instituted or established

How can you explain this*

Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and *My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. *My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."
 

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Psalm 89:28 Text Analysis
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]1285 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ū-ḇə-rî-ṯî,[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]וּ֝בְרִיתִ֗י[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]and my covenant[/TD]
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[h=4]Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)[/h]
1) to support, confirm, be faithful 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to support, confirm, be faithful, uphold, nourish 1a1a) foster-father (subst.) 1a1b) foster-mother, nurse 1a1c) pillars, supporters of the door 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to be established, be faithful, be carried, make firm 1b1a) to be carried by a nurse 1b1b) made firm, sure, lasting 1b1c) confirmed, established, sure 1b1d) verified, confirmed 1b1e) reliable, faithful, trusty 1c) (Hiphil) 1c1) to stand firm, to trust, to be certain, to believe in 1c1a) stand firm 1c1b) trust, believe
 
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Strong's Concordance


3331 - metathesis
metathesis: a change, removal
Note "removal," not "change of form."

How can you explain this*

Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and *My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. *My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."
What's to explain. . .and I have done it several times before.

That is God's covenant with David, which has been fulfilled in Christ and stands forever.

It has nothing to do with "metathesis."
 
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I see it is still unsettled. That ought not to be since it was settled in Jerusalem in Acts 15, and before that in Acts 10:11-16 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.


Will God tempt a man? No, God will never suggest or order you to sin so you can learn a lesson, or for any reason at all.
James 1:12-15 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.


God offered to Peter defiled and unclean meat, told him to rise, kill and eat. How could God command a person to deliberately violate the law unless there was a big change allowing God to do that and not be found a tempter to sin?

Would a preacher be safe with the Lord to use lies and unseemly examples to preach righteousness? No. One uses truth delivered from the Spirit to preach and teach. No Christian should even think of a way to tempt someone with sin to "win" an unbeliever over to Christ, either. A book could be written of tragic errors of ministers who based their teachings on tolerance of any sin.

Many major changes were ushered in through Jesus, particularly putting aside extended interpretations of the law of Moses, especially grievous rules of the Pharisees. The Law prohibited strangers and Gentiles from approaching the tabernacle, eating anything holy, or marrying non-Jews. From that, and Torah warnings of the great sins of the heathen, the commands to utterly destroy them without mercy in Canaan, Jews came to be taught not to associate personally with Gentiles. It became unlawful to enter their home, eat with them. That became a national rule of order, in Israel a law to obey. Gentiles were declared by the Jews to be unclean, common, defiled unless circumcised and converted.

So here comes Peter directly breaking a national law, though not a law of Moses by merely associating with Gentiles. Acts 10:28 (KJV) [SUP]28 [/SUP] And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

How did Peter come to realize God is no respecter of persons, always was, and always will be? By application of the holiness of God's word to him by commanding him to eat that which the Law of Moses called unclean. Why? The New Covenant abolished Jewish laws that don't apply to Gentiles in Christ. All Jews that convert are released too.

If God had not made unclean things clean to followers of Christ, then why use a false statement? "What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common" means God cleaned that which was unclean to the Jews, making the unclean not common.
That had to include both meats and men, else the lesson was in error to achieve a desired belief.

Eventually the apostles caught on, especially Paul, making it clear there is no longer any prohibition of meat except as forbidden in Acts 15:28-29 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
[SUP]29 [/SUP] That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.


That stopped circumcision and keeping the law of Moses, other than not eating any meat, whether considered clean or unclean by Jews, blood, or had been strangled, or offered to idols, and fornication. Beyond that the commandments of Christ became law to Christians.

It is unChristian to once again put upon believers that original demand of the Jews in that meeting Acts 15:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.


The law of sin and death (Moses) is still in existence, won't go away, but has been abolished and replaced by the law of life and liberty of Jesus Christ.

Be not deceived. Judaizers will come along denying this message, insisting that Christians observe the law of Moses and the New Testament. Christian commandments are in the New Testament. The Jew's commandments are in the Old Testament. The two don't mix. But for those that live under the old law, the law applies to them, requiring them to observe every jot and tittle of it all their lives. If they fail in one thing, they are not keeping the law, but remain sinners.

Receive deliverance from all that by following Jesus the Christ. Obey his commandments. The old law reigned from Moses to John the Baptist. The law of Christ was preached from John's ministry on through Revelation. It is sufficient to save all who believe, regardless of claimed "uncleanness", the heathen welcomed to hear and believe the gospel of Christ and to be saved.