Dietary Laws?

[garee]

That was a rhetorical question.
Of course He didn't forget to tell Peter. Because He never "declared all foods clean". That is a bad translation.

Act 11:6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.

The wild beast in that parable refer to the unclean animals that need to be redeemed by an animal typified as cleansed by the blood of the lamb.(Christ)

 

[JaumeJ]

So now you are translating the Word for us, yet the Holy Spirit always bears witness to mercy.

What would the translation of yours be? Jesus, Yeshua, teaches nothing by entering a man will pollute him, for it goew through him and out of him.........this is whatever is consumed.

Give me and all here the correct translation please.

Yet I know if I eat lobsster or clams, I will not be sent to gehena. Mercy, justice and faith in Jesus Christ assure of this confidence.

So, please give the exact and correct words of Christ's teaching on this from your source.

That was a rhetorical question.
Of course He didn't forget to tell Peter. Because He never "declared all foods clean". That is a bad translation.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The KJ Version has a few errors in it as been shown. It's because it was based on the texts the translators had at the time

All other translations that use the majority of the texts have that Jesus "declared all foods clean" in it.

I realize it "conflicts" with your religion and it is "supposed to"...selah



[SUP]19 [/SUP] because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.)

The Codex Sinaiticus also agrees with verse 19:

"because it goes not into his heart, but into his belly, and is cast out into the sink, making all meats clean."

 

[49]

Why would an all-knowing God make (healthy) dietary laws and then tell His Son to go and change that? Did He change His mind about pork chops?

Don't know about that, but I was told that when as a baby, I was so ugly the only way they could get a dog to play with me was to tie a pork chop around my neck.

 

[garee]

Don't know about that, but I was told that when as a baby, I was so ugly the only way they could get a dog to play with me was to tie a pork chop around my neck.

Don't all dogs go to heaven? LOL

 

[disciplemike]

So now you are translating the Word for us, yet the Holy Spirit always bears witness to mercy.

What would the translation of yours be? Jesus, Yeshua, teaches nothing by entering a man will pollute him, for it goew through him and out of him.........this is whatever is consumed.

Give me and all here the correct translation please.

Yet I know if I eat lobsster or clams, I will not be sent to gehena. Mercy, justice and faith in Jesus Christ assure of this confidence.

So, please give the exact and correct words of Christ's teaching on this from your source.

There is no Greek word there to translate as "declare".

 

[JaumeJ]

Our Heavenly Father has assured us many translations of His Word in the native language of most inhabitants of this age and earth. It is the Holy Spirit Who gives understanding to each believer not the intellectual endeavor of reading in another language..

Having mentioned this I confess I have read the New Testament in at least four languages, and the entire Bible in Hebrew, for my own satisfaction. I enjoy reading His Word in all languages, but I would understand nothing were it not imparted to me by the Holy Spirit.

Now if you have a valid translation in the language of most in this forum..English, it would be appreciated to see it in plain words and sentences, otherwise I am afraid I am not going to be impressed by a graph of words from another language.

If the Father gives many valid versions inEnglish, it is certain at least one of them has the correct translation you have suggested for the teaching of Jesus Christ that nothing by entering our bodies will profane us.....Thank you, and may God bless you , amen...

There is no Greek word there to translate as "declare".

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[Ahwatukee]

Hey 49, disciplemike,

Disciplemike: Where did you get the idea that God gave those food laws for the purpose of diet? Scripture states that, no food is unclean of its own self. Did you ever stop to think that God deemed those foods as unclean because it was his choice to do so as part of the burden of the law. Under the law whatever God says is unclean, is unclean, but not based the meat itself, but because God said so. He doesn't have to have a reason for what He does. So now under this new covenant, which is salvation be grace through faith apart from the works of the law, all food is good and nothing is to be rejected.

 

[garee]

There is no Greek word there to translate as "declare".

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It’s what God's interpretation (scripture) "declares" God's will to us. Its what declares you will not find the word “declare” in Mark 7.

Mar 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

Do you need more than He has revealed to make Him true as the things of God ? Or perhaps some oral traditions of the fathers, as the things of men?

The faith of Christ the anointing Holy Spirit of God is our one mutual source of Christian faith. I believe it, the faith of Christ is not of our private interpretation like finger prints, as personal commentaries of men as if it was a book of mixed schools of philosophy of men and not of our God’s living Word that created the heavens and earth, a book of His law. A book not subject to change after the ceremonial laws, as those kind of laws by which we cannot judge each other after seeing they are a shadow and not the spirit, the unseen substance of faith, as the very things God that can give us a hope for.

These below are the Greek words translated , as "declared" in the scriptures.


Mar 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

 

[disciplemike]

all food is good and nothing is to be rejected.

Ok, let's finish up that.
For every creature of God [is] good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. 1 Timothy 4:4-5 (KJV)

Sanctified = set apart for a specific use
Word of God = Scripture

In this case, the creatures that are set apart for food by the Bible, is in Leviticus 11.
keep reading.

 

[Grace777x70]

I know of 1 Tin 4:1 that talks about doctrines of demons. Here is my take on it.

1 Timothy 4:1-5 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away ( apostesontai ) from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,

[SUP]2 [/SUP] by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,

[SUP]3 [/SUP] men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude;

[SUP]5 [/SUP] for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.

What is going to cause this "falling away" ( apostasy )...people who forbid others to marry...and not to eat certain foods...why is this departing from the faith?...it's in verse 3, 4 and 5.

verse 3 = which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. It's in knowing who you are in Christ - who is the truth and the faith....

this not marrying and not eating certain foods ( from out of the Law for example) to keep yourself "separated" from others..is a form of self-effort and reliance on a D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness mindset.

This is "departing from the faith - apostasy"....... people creating their own righteousness/holiness through their works of the flesh by self-effort...

It has the "appearance " of good but it denies the power to effect real change ...which is Christ in us and His life.

.. man-made religion denying the finished work of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[disciplemike]

Sanctified by the Word of God = Leviticus 11

I know of 1 Tin 4:1 that talks about doctrines of demons. Here is my take on it.

1 Timothy 4:1-5 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away ( apostesontai ) from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,

[SUP]2 [/SUP] by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,

[SUP]3 [/SUP] men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude;

[SUP]5 [/SUP] for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.

What is going to cause this "falling away" ( apostasy )...people who forbid others to marry...and not to eat certain foods...why is this departing from the faith?...it's in verse 3, 4 and 5.

verse 3 = which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. It's in knowing who you are in Christ - who is the truth and the faith....

this not marrying and not eating certain foods ( from out of the Law for example) to keep yourself "separated" from others..is a form of self-effort and reliance on a D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness mindset.

This is "departing from the faith - apostasy"....... people creating their own righteousness/holiness through their works of the flesh by self-effort...

It has the "appearance " of good but it denies the power to effect real change ...which is Christ in us and His life.

.. man-made religion denying the finished work of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[posthuman]

There is no Greek word there to translate as "declare".

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please, have a look at the last line of this definition ((from the blue-letter Bible))

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[TD]Transliteration
katharizō[/TD]
[TD]Pronunciation
kä-thä-rē'-zō (Key)

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[TD]Part of Speech
verb[/TD]
[TD]Root Word (Etymology)
From καθαρός (G2513)[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 2"]Dictionary Aids
Vine's Expository Dictionary: View Entry
TDNT Reference: 3:413,381
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[TD="colspan: 2"]KJV Translation Count — Total: 30x
The KJV translates Strongs G2511 in the following manner: cleanse (16x), make clean (5x), be clean (3x), purge (3x), purify (3x).[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 2"]Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. 
   [*=left]to make clean, cleanse
   
   1. 
      [*=left]from physical stains and dirt
      
      1. 
         [*=left]utensils, food
         
         [*=left]a leper, to cleanse by curing
         
         [*=left]to remove by cleansing
      
      [*=left]in a moral sense
      
      1. 
         [*=left]to free from defilement of sin and from faults
         
         [*=left]to purify from wickedness
         
         [*=left]to free from guilt of sin, to purify
         
         [*=left]to consecrate by cleansing or purifying
         
         [*=left]to consecrate, dedicate
   
   [*=left]to pronounce clean in a levitical sense

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[Grandpa]

It seems you missed the whole point of this vision and put your own interpretation upon it. The reason I say this is because Peter came to an understanding of what the vision meant and even recorded it so that we would not make a mistake.

Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

notice Peter did not understand the meaning at this point. He did not assume it simply meant I can eat any meat I want. So you should not either.

It follows that men who are considered by Jews as unclean come to the door. coincidence? I think not.

Remember God showed Peter a vision but how did Peter now understand it?

Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

No "Man" common or unclean.

See chapter 11 as Peter explains this point.

Anyone who uses this to say its OK to eat both clean and unclean meats is simply abusing the vision and its clear scriptural meaning. Regardless of weather its OK to eat unclean meat or not this passage does not support the concept.

Whoa whoa whoa....

Surely you aren't condoning disregarding the carnal commandment in favor of a spiritual understanding???

Is this the only place you are able to do this with the Words of God?


If you are able to spiritualize Gods Words here I wonder how you are not able to understand Hebrews 4 in light of Matthew 11:28. Do you just pretend not to understand so you can work at the carnal laws you wish to work at?


Colossians 2:16-17
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


If God wouldn't have given Peter that vision about clean and unclean meat then you could still be judged by eating unclean meat. It would make you unclean as well.

But that was just a shadow of what was to come. The unclean meat. Now you must not call unclean what God has called clean. Meaning a man isn't considered unclean for what he eats. A gentile is not unclean because he does not follow the old jewish ways.

Hebrews 7:11 [SUP] [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?


What's the difference between a brother that is weak in the faith and one that is double minded?


Gotime, you have to know you are my favorite SDA. I truly believe you are sincere and post with the Love of the brethren in mind. I just think your "revelation" needs a revelation...

Well maybe second favorite. I think JesusLives is SDA too... lol

 

[Ariel82]

Why would an all-knowing God make (healthy) dietary laws and then tell His Son to go and change that? Did He change His mind about pork chops?

Before Noah, everyone, including animals, were only to eat vegetables.

After Noah, God allowed people to eat "clean" animals.

After Jesus, God says it's not what goes into the belly that matters but what comes out of the mouth to reveal what is in the heart of men that truly makes a difference.

 

[Ariel82]

I don't know from where you pulled that "factoid", but looking at it logically, God recognized that pork was, indeed, a food... He simply told the Israelites that it was considered an "unclean" food for them.

Feces? Good grief.

Ezkiel 4v12

Prepare and eat this food as you would barley cakes. While all the people are watching, bake it over a fire using dried human dung as fuel and then eat the bread."


Just an interesting factoid...

 

[Ariel82]

Maybe he forgot to tell Peter?
(this was years after the ascension of Messiah)
But Peter said, "By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.", Acts 10:14 (ESV2011)

Peter was a real apostle, under the direct teaching of Messiah, even sharing in meals. How could Peter not know?

Why did Jesus rebuke peter and why did peter deny Jesus 3 times?
Because he is human and has human failings,

Paul toke Peter to task for following the dietary laws and causing others to be legalistic under the old convenant standards instead of salvation by grace alone, with faith in the redeeming work of Christ on the cross.

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Galatians: 2. 11. But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12. For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. 13. And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. 14. But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? 15. We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16. Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17. But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18. For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19. For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

 

[KohenMatt]

You should keep reading and see the final result of apostolic discussion:

"The apostles and elders...to the Gentile believers:

It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality."

Acts 15:28

So do not stand against apostles, elders and the Holy Spirit.

Would this mean that everything else other than those 4 things are just fine for Christians to do?

 

[Ariel82]

I find it interesting that Barnabas writes a letter outlining dietary laws in light of what Paul says is the error that both he and Peter shared.

 

[KohenMatt]

Matthew 23:1-3 1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Leviticus 19:37 Therefore shall ye observe all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: Iam the LORD.

Hmm. We have Jesus saying observe and do, the LORD saying observe and do, and the council at Jerusalem saying they will hear from Moses seat every Sabbath.

I guess you can say by 2or 3 witnesses and testimonies that is and was and will continue to be is that t h e law of Moses was of necessity, Jesus, God, disciples.

We also have Jesus telling His disciples to follow the Law and teach others to do it in Matthew 5.