Difference between God and Jesus

[Quickfire]

phil , The way your behaving is appalling you and your little like my post crew, are you here to make other people hate other people, ? i see what your doing and i am sure others have to, from the 3 threads i have been involved in with you, there has not been no settlement between you and the people you have offended, (just an out right war) you have clearly offended sila42 here and others in other threads, your now jumping on to other thread, stating stuff about how people should behave, (you need to look at the plank in your own eye before you look to take the plank out of others)

The way in which you have backed sila42 and other in other threads in to a corner and wound him up here is appalling , i have been involved in many many live debates in the live chat rooms, bible study and other sites, phil42 i see many good people coming in and many good people unfortunately being corrupted and lead astray by others,
I see many good people getting there hearts filled with hatred from so called Christians,

Has this happened to you phil42 have you fallen into a world that is unforgiving like the way the people with hearts full of hatred would want you to, ? phil42 the time has come to be led by the holy spirit and forgive and apologize to the people you have offended, and for the statements you have made which you have been rebuked for, which many have tried to rebuke you for, please think about this,

 

[phil36]

phil , The way your behaving is appalling you and your little like my post crew, are you here to make other people hate other people, ? i see what your doing and i am sure others have to, from the 3 threads i have been involved in with you, there has not been no settlement between you and the people you have offended, (just an out right war) you have clearly offended sila42 here and others in other threads, your now jumping on to other thread, stating stuff about how people should behave, (you need to look at the plank in your own eye before you look to take the plank out of others)

The way in which you have backed sila42 and other in other threads in to a corner and wound him up here is appalling , i have been involved in many many live debates in the live chat rooms, bible study and other sites, phil42 i see many good people coming in and many good people unfortunately being corrupted and lead astray by others,
I see many good people getting there hearts filled with hatred from so called Christians,

Has this happened to you phil42 have you fallen into a world that is unforgiving like the way the people with hearts full of hatred would want you to, ? phil42 the time has come to be led by the holy spirit and forgive and apologize to the people you have offended, and for the statements you have made which you have been rebuked for, which many have tried to rebuke you for, please think about this,

Hi Quickfire,

It's Phil36 btw.

I will not apologise for standing for the truth.. LBG is obviously offended and insulted by the truth..oops I meant silas, I must be thinking of someone else...?

And if you are offended then there is nothing I can do about that.. but I will say again and say it very clear as I have been saying.

You cannot be a christian and DENY who Jesus says he is! If that offends , well it is truth .

I have thought again and I still stand by what I have said, for it is the truth of scripture!

 

[resurrection33]

but tell me this everyone, god is eternal correct? which means he is without end or beginning, but look at this. 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:1-14


read it carefully to see what it is saying, God is Eternal. but we notice, in the beginning was the word, and the word was with god, and the word was god. and later down in the chapter we see that THE WORD was MADE FLESH. now Eternal means lasting or existing forever without end or beginning but we see that the word had a beginning and it was made flesh and was the only begotten son of the father now read this with an open mind not what you knew before or in some denomination it is right there. Jesus was the fullness of the godhead bodily. in christ dwelt God. The body of Jesus was the only tabernacle of God, the difference with God and Jesus is God had no beginning but Jesus had a beginning, there is no trinity how could the son be his own father? he is the word of god and we notice when he was baptized the spirit of God came down into him To dwell in him, he was the tabernacle of God

I believe you will find God and Jesus are the same person. God decided he needed to come to earth as a human, so he did so as Jesus Christ.

"If you had known me, you would have known my Father also; henceforth you know him and have seen him." John 14:7 RSV

 

[josh123]

Hi Josh,

so are you saying that Jesus only came into existence on his conception? and who the is the Holy Spirit?

if you had it i wouldn't have to be telling you who the holy spirit is

 

[josh123]

I believe you will find God and Jesus are the same person. God decided he needed to come to earth as a human, so he did so as Jesus Christ.

"If you had known me, you would have known my Father also; henceforth you know him and have seen him." John 14:7 RSV

ok it's like this.. it's God in different administrations but it was the FULLNESS of God in JESUS when he dwell in him that is why it said "If you had known me, you would have known my Father also; henceforth you know him and have seen him." John 14:7 RSV

 

[phil36]

if you had it i wouldn't have to be telling you who the holy spirit is

I am just asking you to explain, did Jesus exist only at his conception, this is what you hint at, yet do not explain? who is the Holy Spirit that he indwells Jesus and where is God when this happens?

Its very easy to make a comment, resurrection33 made one a minute ago, but I also know he doesn't even believe in scripture, well only the red letters.

 

[phil36]

ok it's like this.. it's God in different administrations but it was the FULLNESS of God in JESUS when he dwell in him that is why it said "If you had known me, you would have known my Father also; henceforth you know him and have seen him." John 14:7 RSV

Thanks for explaining your view, but does that mean Jesus only existed at conception, and does that also mean that the Father is actually the Holy Spirit. One minute he is the father and then the next he is the Holy Spirit? Because in the beginning we see both the Father and Holy Spirit.

 

[silas42]

I find it strange to keep hearing the same line




You cannot be a Christian and deny who Jesus says he is

Firstly, this is what Jesus stated about his FATHER

Now this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only TRUE God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent

So according to Christ, the Father is the one true God

Also according to Christ

The Father is greater than I

The Father is greater than all

The above are the words of Christ, and all of them I fully accept and stand by.

But wisdom is always proved right by its inconsistencies, for to a few I stand condemned for believing the plain words of Christ, not refusing to accept them

 

[phil36]

I find it strange to keep hearing the same line

John17:3


You cannot be a Christian and deny who Jesus says he is

Firstly, this is what Jesus stated about his FATHER

Now this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only TRU God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent

So according to Christ, the Father is the one true God

Also according to Christ

The Father is greater than I

The Father is greater than all

The above are the words of Christ, and all of them I ful.ly accept and stand by.

But woisdom is always proved right by its inconsistencies

So can you tell me who Jesus is.. yes he is the son of God, but what does that mean, is he human, is he an angel, is he a spirit or is he a force...what is the son of God silas?

so far all you have said is, Jesus is the sone of God, and that the Father is greater..so who or what is Jesus?


It is a straightforward question. and it seems for some reason you do not want to answer.

 

[silas42]

So can you tell me who Jesus is.. yes he is the son of God, but what does that mean, is he human, is he an angel, is he a spirit or is he a force...what is the son of God silas?

so far all you have said is, Jesus is the sone of God, and that the Father is greater..so who or what is Jesus?


It is a straightforward question. and it seems for some reason you do not want to answer.

Here you go again, always ignoring the points made and coming back with more questions of your own. Frankly if I was a Trinitarian who shared your opinions I'd earnestly hope you'd cease discussion, for you are not well promoting your view, as you can't answer any questions put to you on it

Once again. Read through the thread and you'll get your answer that others have accepted

 

[GraceBeUntoYou]

I'm a Christian. I believe in God. I believe in God manifested in three offices. NOW, His office is in my heart, in your heart. Not another God somewhere else; another God somewhere else; and another God somewhere else. That's as pagan as pagan can be. NEVER one time was that even thought of until the Nicene Council. [You can't] find it in the Bible, or find it in history - till that time - it's not there."

Problem is you're citing a Unitarian who believes in a form of Modalism (i.e., God is one sole individual who can at times manifest as the Father, or the Son, or the Holy Spirit), but to the exact form of Modalism, i.e., Sabellianism, Oneness, Patripassionism, Modal Monarchianism, could be subject to debate. Of course they believe Christ is YHWH, what they're arguing against is something you believe in: the distinction of Father, and Son. So this individual is not saying that Trinitarianism is pagan, but any theological view which draws a distinction between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. So from one Trinitarian (myself) to an Arian (you), I say wholeheartedly, "welcome to the club!"

This just shows how low people will stoop, including yourself, when it comes to painting Trinitarianism as having its roots in paganism. They're not concerned about accuracy, because if they were, then a little bit of history would prove them wrong.

 

[silas42]

So we know that Christ stated the Father was the one true God

Who did Christ confirm he was?

The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”
[SUP]64 [/SUP]“You have said so,”Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven

So the plain words of Christ state only the father is the one true God, and Christ is his Son

Yet Phil plainly states if you believe Jesus is the son of God but not God Himself you cannot be a Christian

He also states, if you deny who Jesus said he was you can't be a Christian

I am left speechless, I can only repeat

Wisdom is always justified by its inconsistencies

 

[phil36]

Here you go again, always ignoring the points made and coming back with more questions of your own. Frankly if I was a Trinitarian who shared your opinions I'd earnestly hope you'd cease discussion, for you are not well promoting your view, as you can't answer any questions put to you on it

Once again. Read through the thread and you'll get your answer that others have accepted

Hi silas,

I did not ignore your points. you say that:

1) Jesus is the son of God
and
2)The Father is greater than him


All I am asking you, what is the son of God, is he a created being or something else, and angel maybe? I am truly interested in your thoughts on this matter, as I am sure everyone else is? I have read through all he posts btw,

 

[silas42]

Hi silas,

I did not ignore your points. you say that:

1) Jesus is the son of God
and
2)The Father is greater than him


All I am asking you, what is the son of God, is he a created being or something else, and angel maybe? I am truly interested in your thoughts on this matter, as I am sure everyone else is? I have read through all he posts btw,

Well if you have read through all the posts, put up what I wrote vin this regard, rather than continually ask for it to be reposted

As for not answering simple questions, you haven't answered any of mine that I can see

Glad you agree with the words of Christ
Jesus is the Son of God, and the Father is greater than he

You missed one out though

Do you agree with the words of Christ that plainly state the Father is the only true God
As you say, a simple question, and one I am sure we'd all like to hear your opinion on

 

[phil36]

Well if you have read through all the posts, put up what I wrote vin this regard, rather than continually ask for it to be reposted

As for not answering simple questions, you haven't answered any of mine that I can see

Glad you agree with the words of Christ
Jesus is the Son of God, and the Father is greater than he

You missed one out though

Do you agree with the words of Christ that plainly state the Father is the only true God
As you say, a simple question, and one I am sure we'd all like to hear your opinion on

The triune God is the ONE true God. as scripture testifies.. don't you believe that sials?

 

[silas42]

The triune God is the ONE true God. as scripture testifies.. don't you believe that sials?

Just so everyone is clear on this, I asked you the following:

Do you agree with the words of Christ that plainly state the Father is the only true God

Your response was


The triune God is the ONE true God. as scripture testifies

 

[silas42]

As you say Phil if we deny what Christ said about himself can we be a Christian(your own words)

So also, can we deny who Christ says the Father is and be a Christian(in your opinion, just to be consistent)

 

[phil36]

Just so everyone is clear on this, I asked you the following:

Do you agree with the words of Christ that plainly state the Father is the only true God

Your response was


The triune God is the ONE true God. as scripture testifies

Hi LBG,

My reponse was actually:

The triune God is the ONE true God. as scripture testifies.. don't you believe that silas?

I agree with scripture.

 

[silas42]

Hi LBG,

My reponse was actually:

The triune God is the ONE true God. as scripture testifies.. don't you believe that silas?

.

Well firstly I think I've been called three different names so far, but I understand you feel it will help you somewhat to deflect from painful questions

As to your response, as always you have no answer to the simple question

If you believe the plain words of Jesus, that the Father is the one true God, I guess you must be a oneness Pentecostal, but this is monotonous, all you do is refuse to answer the simple questions put to you, while accusing me of what you yourself continually do

 

[phil36]

Anyhow silas,

What or who is the son of God? an angel? a human? a god? a force?