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phil36

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I really like this post Silas 42...I consider Doctrine to be a potentially huge hinderance to The Gospels at times...This is after banging my head against the wall for more years then I care to admit to, deep inside all the doctrine I could get my hands on...The Human fallibility factor that comes with doctrine cant be ignored, at least by me anyway...Theirs something humorous about men attempting to speak for God... I truly believe mans biggest idol is his own thought processes, and conclusions from those thought processes that he holds so dear to himself, and is, at times, willing to even kill over. This in itself is the proof we have gone way past graven images of wood and gold, and jumped right to graven images that are images graven right into our own nuro pathways...If its not about the Love of Christ, and the kingdom, then we are all lost...Mans interpretations on these matters are, as someone else on this thread stated, "is like us puny men trying to draw a picture of the 10th dimension on a chalk board"...I hope I dident mess that quote to bad...Every year I stand, and look back on the putts I was the year before, if I dont see that putts, then I know I haven't grown a bit that year, but if I do see the growth, then I have to see the putts too. The way I view theology today is far different then I did some years ago...Its getting to look much simpler with each passing year. Love the Father/Love Christ/Love my Brothers/, obedience to Christs commands will in turn cover the 10 from Moses ... Just my own view, from here...Peace


Do you consider that believing what silas believes makes him a partaker of the Kingdom?

It amazes me that people talk about they love Jesus yet they will bedfellow the enemy.
 
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I really like this post Silas 42...I consider Doctrine to be a potentially huge hinderance to The Gospels at times...This is after banging my head against the wall for more years then I care to admit to, deep inside all the doctrine I could get my hands on...The Human fallibility factor that comes with doctrine cant be ignored, at least by me anyway...Theirs something humorous about men attempting to speak for God... I truly believe mans biggest idol is his own thought processes, and conclusions from those thought processes that he holds so dear to himself, and is, at times, willing to even kill over. This in itself is the proof we have gone way past graven images of wood and gold, and jumped right to graven images that are images graven right into our own nuro pathways...If its not about the Love of Christ, and the kingdom, then we are all lost...Mans interpretations on these matters are, as someone else on this thread stated, "is like us puny men trying to draw a picture of the 10th dimension on a chalk board"...I hope I dident mess that quote to bad...Every year I stand, and look back on the putts I was the year before, if I dont see that putts, then I know I haven't grown a bit that year, but if I do see the growth, then I have to see the putts too. The way I view theology today is far different then I did some years ago...Its getting to look much simpler with each passing year. Love the Father/Love Christ/Love my Brothers/, obedience to Christs commands will in turn cover the 10 from Moses ... Just my own view, from here...Peace
You've got two friends:)
You know, for all the flak you get on websites like these, it's worth it when you read posts such as the above
I completely agree, mans biggest idol is his own thought process, well put.
As one Evangelist said

'We can only get in the way of God working.

Your heart is obviously in the right place, and you know much truth, thanks for sharing some of it
God Bless
 
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Do you consider that believing what silas believes makes him a partaker of the Kingdom?

It amazes me that people talk about they love Jesus yet they will bedfellow the enemy.
You have problems, severe problems
You call me the enemy because I believe the words of Christ when he walked this earth
You stumble along blindly hurting yourself but can't see it

And you do much quoting of others, it seems the only opinions you have are what scholars and theologians tell you, oh well
You've been well programmed I suppose
 
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cfultz3

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I really like this post Silas 42...I consider Doctrine to be a potentially huge hinderance to The Gospels at times...This is after banging my head against the wall for more years then I care to admit to, deep inside all the doctrine I could get my hands on...The Human fallibility factor that comes with doctrine cant be ignored, at least by me anyway...Theirs something humorous about men attempting to speak for God... I truly believe mans biggest idol is his own thought processes, and conclusions from those thought processes that he holds so dear to himself, and is, at times, willing to even kill over. This in itself is the proof we have gone way past graven images of wood and gold, and jumped right to graven images that are images graven right into our own nuro pathways...If its not about the Love of Christ, and the kingdom, then we are all lost...Mans interpretations on these matters are, as someone else on this thread stated, "is like us puny men trying to draw a picture of the 10th dimension on a chalk board"...I hope I dident mess that quote to bad...Every year I stand, and look back on the putts I was the year before, if I dont see that putts, then I know I haven't grown a bit that year, but if I do see the growth, then I have to see the putts too. The way I view theology today is far different then I did some years ago...Its getting to look much simpler with each passing year. Love the Father/Love Christ/Love my Brothers/, obedience to Christs commands will in turn cover the 10 from Moses ... Just my own view, from here...Peace
Are you saying doctrine is not important?
 
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Godslyric

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Do you consider that believing what silas believes makes him a partaker of the Kingdom?

It amazes me that people talk about they love Jesus yet they will bedfellow the enemy.
I have to be honest with you, and Im truly not trying to be evasive... I really feel Im in no position to judge anyone out here, its just not my calling...I have read much of the posts in this thread, and see a struggle where, to me, should just be an exchange of views tempered with The Love of Christ...Isn't their enough stress after we leave our homes and go out into this world every day without biting at each other...? ... I grew up in the street, and have absolutely no intention of embracing controversy in the name of Christ. But thats just me...Ive read some great from both you guys. I have no plans to enter into any discourse out her...And I dont see anyone as my enemy...
 
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cfultz3

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Someone stop me when doctrine matters (all of these are sects of Christianity):

Jesus was just a righteous man

Jesus and Satan are brothers

Lucifer is falsely accused

God has evil inside of Him

All will be saved

Jesus is the Archangel

Mary is co-redeemer

Mary goes to Jesus in prayer for us

We can work our way to Heaven

allah is the true God

Shall I stop now?

I suppose that doctrine does matter....
 
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Yes, it was.

Until you expected me to read your mind and know what you thought they meant.
If you can't take the time to engage what I said, and tie your thoughts to mine so we can follow the conversation........
 
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Are you saying doctrine is not important?
Lets put it this way. If a person spends the vast majority of their Christian life studying 'doctrine' they've got things in the wrong order. Because they'd be precious little time for living out the Gospel in their lives. Their Christianity would be stuck in their head, and what would that achieve?
 
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cfultz3

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Lets put it this way. If a person spends the vast majority of their Christian life studying 'doctrine' they've got things in the wrong order. Because they'd be precious little time for living out the Gospel in their lives. Their Christianity would be stuck in their head, and what would that achieve?
About the same amount of time you and I and others spend here?
 
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Godslyric

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Are you saying doctrine is not important?
Absolutely not! Im saying Gospels First and foremost, everything to me is secondary...Again, thats just me.
 

phil36

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I have to be honest with you, and Im truly not trying to be evasive... I really feel Im in no position to judge anyone out here, its just not my calling...I have read much of the posts in this thread, and see a struggle where, to me, should just be an exchange of views tempered with The Love of Christ...Isn't their enough stress after we leave our homes and go out into this world every day without biting at each other...? ... I grew up in the street, and have absolutely no intention of embracing controversy in the name of Christ. But thats just me...Ive read some great from both you guys. I have no plans to enter into any discourse out her...And I dont see aqnyone as my enemy...

Hi Godslyric (nice nickname BTW)

It's not about Judging, we have to discern.. And don't be fooled as a Christian you certainly have many enemies..the wolves are always at the door. And being online line they can masquerade as light very easily.. as can be seen.

Would you call someone a brother and fellow heir of Christ, who denies who Jesus is? even the devil masquerades as light.

But that is your choice.. I would say be more discerning when it comes to the things of faith. Theres nothing wrong with loving people its exemplary, I believe silas is a heretic, but still love him. I am worried for him and pray for him.
 
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About the same amount of time you and I and others spend here?
Well I can honestly say I have studied nowhere near as much as the people I've been debating with
Apart from reading the bible I've read a few books, and only a couple of teaching books, I like biographies if I can get hold of a good one
But to be drilled in doctrine of the head, and for that to be all consuming, and for studying doctrine to be the thing that gave a person most pleasure, would rob them of much I believe and leave a more cold, indifferent Christianity, almost methodical at times
But please note, I do not say such a person could not be a Christian, I leave that kind of condemnation to others, probably because I haven't studied as much doctrine as they
 
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Do you consider that believing what silas believes makes him a partaker of the Kingdom?

It amazes me that people talk about they love Jesus yet they will bedfellow the enemy.
I know you've already said your not speaking to me anymore and accuse me of making false accusations, but at least my accusations against you have been questions (and not dam right lies) ill ask you again do you have 2 accounts ?. or friends that are in your little game (the game to cause division)
at least 5 times maybe more you accused sila42 of having diff-rent names and also of being a banned member do you and sila42 know each other.

I have lost count of the times you have accused people of behaving the way you do in this thread.

i have lost count of the amount of times you have got an argument going with certain people and the arguments have dragged on for ages.

have you set up a little club to cause division ?

do you have a problem with Christians ?

have you set up other accounts to attack your profile to make other people feel sorry for you.

some of statements like don't play the hard done my me card makes me think you have.

all the above are questions, that i have discernment s for, after witnessing your behavior over several threads.

the people who you argue with seem to have the same sense as you to argue with everyone else.

you come out with hippo-critical statements to genuine people. that you have behaved in that way your self.

do you remember i told you the story that there was a person who went around the internet accusing them of being this or that and this person is really how he is. (are you this person)
 

phil36

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I know you've already said your not speaking to me anymore and accuse me of making false accusations, but at least my accusations against you have been questions (and not dam right lies) ill ask you again do you have 2 accounts ?. or friends that are in your little game (the game to cause division)
at least 5 times maybe more you accused sila42 of having diff-rent names and also of being a banned member do you and sila42 know each other.

I have lost count of the times you have accused people of behaving the way you do in this thread.

i have lost count of the amount of times you have got an argument going with certain people and the arguments have dragged on for ages.

have you set up a little club to cause division ?

do you have a problem with Christians ?

have you set up other accounts to attack your profile to make other people feel sorry for you.

some of statements like don't play the hard done my me card makes me think you have.

all the above are questions, that i have discernment s for, after witnessing your behavior over several threads.

the people who you argue with seem to have the same sense as you to argue with everyone else.

you come out with hippo-critical statements to genuine people. that you have behaved in that way your self.

do you remember i told you the story that there was a person who went around the internet accusing them of being this or that and this person is really how he is. (are you this person)

Hi Quickfire,

If the shoe fits......?

As I have said, if I have said something wrong and something that is not Christian orthodox report it..

If you do report it..hold your accusations
 
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, I believe silas is a heretic, but still love him. I am worried for him and pray for him.
Oh the sincerity in your words, it oozes out Phil

But I know, a person is a heretic if they dare to believe the words of Christ over the mind of man. Which proves who you look to to learn doesn't it!
 
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cfultz3

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Well I can honestly say I have studied nowhere near as much as the people I've been debating with
Apart from reading the bible I've read a few books, and only a couple of teaching books, I like biographies if I can get hold of a good one
But to be drilled in doctrine of the head, and for that to be all consuming, and for studying doctrine to be the thing that gave a person most pleasure, would rob them of much I believe and leave a more cold, indifferent Christianity, almost methodical at times
But please note, I do not say such a person could not be a Christian, I leave that kind of condemnation to others, probably because I haven't studied as much doctrine as they
And I will be honest with you. I do not study theology, not at all. The only wisdom I seek is from Scripture. And agree with you that one who full of head knowledge from studying in order to learn theology of another man has little time to show Love in action. But, it cannot be emphasized enough, He who seeks shall find. An hunger for the word of God teaches a fear of the Lord and that is the beginning of Wisdom, seeing that it was Wisdom who inspired those words. I hunger and thirst for Wisdom, for in Him shall life be found.
 
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I know you've already said your not speaking to me anymore and accuse me of making false accusations, but at least my accusations against you have been questions (and not dam right lies) ill ask you again do you have 2 accounts ?. or friends that are in your little game (the game to cause division)
at least 5 times maybe more you accused sila42 of having diff-rent names and also of being a banned member do you and sila42 know each other.

I have lost count of the times you have accused people of behaving the way you do in this thread.

i have lost count of the amount of times you have got an argument going with certain people and the arguments have dragged on for ages.

have you set up a little club to cause division ?

do you have a problem with Christians ?

have you set up other accounts to attack your profile to make other people feel sorry for you.

some of statements like don't play the hard done my me card makes me think you have.

all the above are questions, that i have discernment s for, after witnessing your behavior over several threads.

the people who you argue with seem to have the same sense as you to argue with everyone else.

you come out with hippo-critical statements to genuine people. that you have behaved in that way your self.

do you remember i told you the story that there was a person who went around the internet accusing them of being this or that and this person is really how he is. (are you this person)
I wouldn't bother Quickfire, Phil shows much bombast and likes to thrust himself forward as an authority on scripture, we must bear with the poor chap
 
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Quickfire

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Oh the sincerity in your words, it oozes out Phil

But I know, a person is a heretic if they dare to believe the words of Christ over the mind of man. Which proves who you look to to learn doesn't it!
its funny how you and phi42 keep answering with in seconds of each other are you both stuck on this thread waiting for opportunity to attack.

I feel a sense of hatred here would you and phil mind coming to live chat in the mens ministry in 5 mins to have a civalised discussion because many people are putting a lot of time in to study this.

i feel my concersn are relavent