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God does not give Himself the glory, brothersile, He is giving it to Jesus, wherever in Scripture you think I am contradicting Scripture is where I am telling that "Jesus is God." All the glory goes to God, we both know that, the verses do not lie like: "Whatever you do, give all the glory to God."
If Jesus is telling God to glorify Him, as He is in John 17: 1-5, in TWO places, what does that tell you? It can ONLY tell you one thing: Jesus is God.
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Also in John 21 , Jesus is talking to Peter and Peter is upset that John is going to be able to remain alive while the other disciples all die martyr's deaths.
Peter: Why does he (John) get to remain?
Jesus: If I will that he remains, what is that to you, you follow Me.
Now, who had the power of 'will,' it can't be Jesus, right? Because when Jesus came to Earth He said Himself He came to DO the will of His Father in heaven, who is God, of course. So, when Jesus says to Peter what He says regarding 'will,' then, this is yet one more revelation that Jesus--who is speaking to Peter, in a glorified body no less at this time, becuase He has already been raised from the grave--IS God.
If Jesus is telling God to glorify Him, as He is in John 17: 1-5, in TWO places, what does that tell you? It can ONLY tell you one thing: Jesus is God.
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Also in John 21 , Jesus is talking to Peter and Peter is upset that John is going to be able to remain alive while the other disciples all die martyr's deaths.
Peter: Why does he (John) get to remain?
Jesus: If I will that he remains, what is that to you, you follow Me.
Now, who had the power of 'will,' it can't be Jesus, right? Because when Jesus came to Earth He said Himself He came to DO the will of His Father in heaven, who is God, of course. So, when Jesus says to Peter what He says regarding 'will,' then, this is yet one more revelation that Jesus--who is speaking to Peter, in a glorified body no less at this time, becuase He has already been raised from the grave--IS God.
God does not give Himself the glory, brothersile, He is giving it to Jesus, wherever in Scripture you think I am contradicting Scripture is where I am telling that "Jesus is God." All the glory goes to God, we both know that, the verses do not lie like: "Whatever you do, give all the glory to God."
If Jesus is telling God to glorify Him, as He is in John 17: 1-5, in TWO places, what does that tell you? It can ONLY tell you one thing: Jesus is God.
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Also in John 21 , Jesus is talking to Peter and Peter is upset that John is going to be able to remain alive while the other disciples all die martyr's deaths.
Peter: Why does he (John) get to remain?
Jesus: If I will that he remains, what is that to you, you follow Me.
Now, who had the power of 'will,' it can't be Jesus, right? Because when Jesus came to Earth He said Himself He came to DO the will of His Father in heaven, who is God, of course. So, when Jesus says to Peter what He says regarding 'will,' then, this is yet one more revelation that Jesus--who is speaking to Peter, in a glorified body no less at this time, becuase He has already been raised from the grave--IS God.
If Jesus is telling God to glorify Him, as He is in John 17: 1-5, in TWO places, what does that tell you? It can ONLY tell you one thing: Jesus is God.
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Also in John 21 , Jesus is talking to Peter and Peter is upset that John is going to be able to remain alive while the other disciples all die martyr's deaths.
Peter: Why does he (John) get to remain?
Jesus: If I will that he remains, what is that to you, you follow Me.
Now, who had the power of 'will,' it can't be Jesus, right? Because when Jesus came to Earth He said Himself He came to DO the will of His Father in heaven, who is God, of course. So, when Jesus says to Peter what He says regarding 'will,' then, this is yet one more revelation that Jesus--who is speaking to Peter, in a glorified body no less at this time, becuase He has already been raised from the grave--IS God.
Father I want those with me you have given me to be with me where I am and to see my glory the glory you have given me, because you loved me before the creation of the world
John17:24
I'm sorry to have to say Grennice you pestered me and pestered me to answer how Christ could have glory. When I told you it was because the Father loved Him you replied as above. Yet you haven't commented whatsoever on the emphatic verse I produced showing the truth of the matter, just continued the mantra
This is pantomime season, it must be, and sadly proves my point. The truth is secondary(at best) to some trying to prove they are an authority on scripture. It's solely for them a case of preaching to others because they believe they are giftend in knowledge and they are hre to teach the less enlightened
Sorry Greennice this conversation is over, terminated
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The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, all three one, which leads me to more verses, based on your own verses, brothersile, just to show, I don't condescend or anything else, I'm here to point out things and the Spirit does the rest That way works for us all, as again, I already said I used to believe like you do, and, God showed me another 'Way.'
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OK, I answered your question, now tell me, who is in who here? And, does it matter, brothersile if Someone is in Someone who is someone else, does this show you that One person is in someone. Sorry, I may sound a little confusing, what's new, LOL, I don't claim to know everything, I know I make mistakes in my stances sometimes but I just pray that the Lord's Spirit speaks through mine, as I 've already told you. We all err, to err is human, forgive divine
My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—23I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.24“Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
25“Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me.26I have made you[SUP]e[/SUP] known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”
What of all this I in them and you in me and all this, brothersile?
That way works for us all, as again, I already said I used to believe like you do, and, God showed me another 'Way.' -----------------------------
OK, I answered your question, now tell me, who is in who here? And, does it matter, brothersile if Someone is in Someone who is someone else, does this show you that One person is in someone. Sorry, I may sound a little confusing, what's new, LOL, I don't claim to know everything, I know I make mistakes in my stances sometimes but I just pray that the Lord's Spirit speaks through mine, as I 've already told you. We all err, to err is human, forgive divine
My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—23I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.24“Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
25“Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me.26I have made you[SUP]e[/SUP] known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”
What of all this I in them and you in me and all this, brothersile?
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Father I want those with me you have given me to be with me where I am and to see my glory the glory you have given me, because you loved me before the creation of the world
John17:24
I'm sorry to have to say Grennice you pestered me and pestered me to answer how Christ could have glory. When I told you it was because the Father loved Him you replied as above. Yet you haven't commented whatsoever on the emphatic verse I produced showing the truth of the matter, just continued the mantra
This is pantomime season, it must be, and sadly proves my point. The truth is secondary(at best) to some trying to prove they are an authority on scripture. It's solely for them a case of preaching to others because they believe they are giftend in knowledge and they are hre to teach the less enlightened
Sorry Greennice this conversation is over, terminated
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But if you are referencing this post, then , I will comment:
Father I want those with me you have given me to be with me where I am and to see my glory the glory you have given me, because you loved me before the creation of the world
John17:24
This is saying that Jesus is giving God all the glory. Can you see that, brothersile
This is the contention throughout all of my having responded to your questions about John 17: 3, which I broke down 1,2,4,5 too. And, even added another verse you could choose to speak about or not , being John 21:22. \
Yeah, I just don't get it, everyone likes to point fingers at people, I am JUST trying to let The Word speak for what I feel and, yeah, LOL< every once in a while I get my own green brains too into things, brothersile . Plus, I left in a rush today and may have spoke things considerably faster than I should have, but, I'm back, for the time being, let's talk
Father I want those with me you have given me to be with me where I am and to see my glory the glory you have given me, because you loved me before the creation of the world
John17:24
This is saying that Jesus is giving God all the glory. Can you see that, brothersile
This is the contention throughout all of my having responded to your questions about John 17: 3, which I broke down 1,2,4,5 too. And, even added another verse you could choose to speak about or not , being John 21:22.
\Yeah, I just don't get it, everyone likes to point fingers at people, I am JUST trying to let The Word speak for what I feel and, yeah, LOL< every once in a while I get my own green brains too into things, brothersile . Plus, I left in a rush today and may have spoke things considerably faster than I should have, but, I'm back, for the time being, let's talk
That's fine, thank you for being honest. However(I'm not referring to you) it seems rather ironic that some Trinitarians pester me to state who I believe Christ is, when they appear not to know themselves according to official belief who resides in the body of Christ
BTW
He's the Son of God
BTW
He's the Son of God
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