"Disciplining" children

[Lanolin]

NT says fathers not vex or provoke their children to wrath, and children to obey their parents.

Obviously if you the parent, to get children to obey you really need to LOVE them first.
Often parents just expect a child to love them without the parents giving any love to them initially. It does not work that way

 

[CS1]

I guess parents would rather beat their children up as punishment rather than not give them any food right?

I dont think that works. Hitting and beating up doesnt teach some children anything...sometimes it just teaches them to hate you and make them run away from you. Or they will just disobey you while you arent looking.

if you want to be the police cop for your children then thats your life, I think it would just be exhausting beating and smacking a child for every misdemeanour. Children wont learn that way

Children do learn by positive reinforcement so you bettter be giving HUGS as well. Some parents do not hug or hold their children.

who said anything about beating them? the rod without instruction is useless but not using the rod removes one tools in child upbringing

 

[Lanolin]

The state that says it will take care of the children is the state that will house them in their prisons. When teenagers are shooting teachers and 12-year-olds assaulting them. that is because they have no respect for parents, God, and authorities. They have been coddled and abused by this ungodly generation.

no actually its because for most in prison theyve been beaten up by their parents or negelected. also emotionally neglected as well
i would not say those 12 year olds shooting had been coddled. for some, prison is safer than being at home

 

[Lanolin]

who said anything about beating them? the rod without instruction is useless but not using the rod removes one tools in child upbringing

the bible saying if you beat a child with a rod, they will not die

pretty sure beating or smacking is like hitting and flogging. Physical contact right?

Rods can be used for guiding and pointing out, but some parents use it for beating and hitting.

 

[Lanolin]

though you can use pretty much anything to hit your child, like a jandal, a ruler, or a belt.

its because they cannot hit back I suppose Though some will try. They'll figure when they get older to come back and beat their parents up, a lot actually do that.

 

[Lanolin]

Sad thing is, though most children dont die from being beaten, they'll carry scars and internal injuries.

 

[p_rehbein]

I suppose it would be unfeasible to give every punishment for every specific wrong - down to "If you steal semi-ripe apples from a Mexican's orchard, you'll get 20 stripes of the rod.". It seems 'though considering the specific penalties for wrongdoing in eg. Leviticus or Deuteronomy, that there aren't better guidelines than there are.

Your Profile Page clears up some of the problems I have with your statements.


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[AndrewMorgan]

what about Jesus?
He was crucified

or is that different. I mean his dad didnt do it but his Father allowed it to happen, plus Jesus was taking the punishment on behalf of everyone else.

I dont think it mattered how old you were on the cross. Jesus was beaten pretty bad and got a huge flogging. 39 lashes I think.


the reason 39 is apparently 40 would be enough to kill you.

in schools it used to be you got 'six of the best'. Teachers used whips, canes, or the strap. Some would use rulers. Mostly on the bottom. Though it was mostly boys, girls would write lines.

Basically if you disobeyed ANY instruction the teacher gave, for example talking when the teacher told you NOT to talk, that would merit a beating/strike or whatver you want to call it.


nowadays schools tend to just expel troublemakers or disobedeint children. Parents do this too they just kick them out the house if they cant be bothered with them anymore.

As for 39 rather than 40, I think it was because a "standard" whip had 3 strands and they didn't want to transcend the accepted rule of "only 40".

 

[Grandpa]

NT says fathers not vex or provoke their children to wrath, and children to obey their parents.

Obviously if you the parent, to get children to obey you really need to LOVE them first.
Often parents just expect a child to love them without the parents giving any love to them initially. It does not work that way

Proverbs 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Proverbs 22:15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

 

[AndrewMorgan]

Fair enough, but, as I've amply stated, this statement joins the others in not addressing the point.

 

[Jocund]

Fair enough, but, as I've amply stated, this statement joins the others in not addressing the point.

The law of the New Covenant is written in the heart and mind. If you are looking for explicit, written legalism (e.g. X number of actions per crime ABC), you're not going to find that.

 

[presidente]

I notice the Proverbs say a lot more about parents teaching their children than using the rod when they behave foolishly.