Discussing Noah's Flood - Mysteries & Theories

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2Pillars

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Genesis 1:21 tells us that EVERY living creature that moveth was brought forth from the waters on Day 5. This includes the sons of God or prehistoric mankinds - who's origin is also from the waters.

Genesis 2 tells us of Creatures made from the dust of the ground. Some Unbelievers see this as a contradiction, and falsely assume that the Scripture is mistranslated.

They are ignorant of the fact that God (Elohim) originally brought forth EVERY Living Creature that moved, from the water, on Day 5.

The account of the formation of the beasts of the field and fowl of the air, from the Dust on the 6th Day, is when YHWH, the Spn of God, squeezed, as a potter would mold a clay, and formed living creatures (His Kinds) from the dust of the ground .

The creatures made from the dust were identical to those brought forth from the waters and could produce offspring together.

The first Living Being made from the dust was man. Man was made/formed on the 3rd Day before the plants and herbs, right after the mist that watered the whole face of the ground. Gen 2:4-7. This gives mankind Preeminence or First Place among all other Living Creatures.

Like the animals made from the dust, humans also married and produced children with Beings brought forth from the water. That's where Cain's wife came from, and that is who Noah's grandsons married, on this Planet (Gen 6). Incest was never part of the multiplication process of Humankind, as far as the God’ righteousness is concerned.

After the union between the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) and daughters of men (humans) Gen 6, we acquired the DNA of the prehistoric beings and we also have the Human intelligence that can ONLY be inherited from Adam, the first Human.

We are all descended with modifications from a common ancestor, and his name is Adam.

God brought forth every living creature that moveth from the water, on the 5th Day, and Jesus produced "His /Their Kinds" from the dust of the ground, at the beginning of the 6th Day and brought them to Adam for him name them.

We are all confined to our own kind (flesh) in order to multiply to produce offspring. Unfortunately, Some Religionists and Evolutionism remain ignorant of God’ Truth.

The idea that Noah brought few thousands of animals/creatures inside the Ark is UnScriptural.

The total number could have been easily few hundreds of creatures/animals only. There was no need to bring creatures which were created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21 since those same kinds of creatures/animals (Trinity Kinds) were created and brought forth on our present Planet as well and had been here for Billions of years (see my quotes above) when the Ark arrived and floated in the vicinity of Mt. Ararat (Lake Van. Turkey) some 10k years ago.

The creatures which were aboard the Ark were the creatures which YHWH, the Son of God, made with His own Hands (His Kinds) from the dust of the ground. Science calls them common ancestors. The common ancestor of All Humanity on this planet was a direct descendant of Adam, the first Human, and his name was Noah.

Humans were scattered all over the face of the Earth from Babel which was built by the son of one of Noah's grandsons, Cush. Gen 10:10 Science and History agree and Human civilization can be traced to Noah's arrival some 10k years ago, just south of Mt. Ararat.

Again, God brought forth every living creature that moveth from the water, on the 5th Day, and Jesus produced "His /Their Kinds" from the dust of the ground, at the beginning of the 6th Day and brought them to Adam for him name them.

We are all confined to our own kind (flesh) in order to multiply to produce offspring. Unfortunately, Some Religionists and Evolutionism remain ignorant of God’ Truth.

God bless
 

2Pillars

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Greetings my brother.

I AGREE with you and I understand what you are trying to say.

That’s exactly why I described the Prophecy of Isaiah 24:18 -20 as a Double Edge Swordwhich was also set up as a Snare or Trap....to catch those willingly ignorant Unbelievers and Pretenders of this last Days about the total destruction of Adam’s Earth (dissolved; kaput; gone forever ) during the Noah’s flood - in my previous post #10.

See link Post # 10 https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/discussing-noahs-flood-mysteries-theories.184565/

Isa 24:18-20 is like a double edge sword.... and speaking of Noah’s Flood, since this is obviously the account of the 1st Earth being clean dissolved in water when the windows of their heaven were opened. It's speaking of Adam's world being completely destroyed in water during the Flood.

It is also set up as a Snare or Trap....to catch those willingly ignorant unbelievers of this last days.

Here’s the context of the snare or a trap, below.

Isa 24:18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake. v19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. v20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

Scoffers of the last days will NOT believe that all the inhabitants thereof (except those in the Ark)... together with the 1st Earth were totally destroyed / dissolved in the flood.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: v6 Whereby the world (Greek-Kosmos) that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed, totally)

These verses from the Old and New Testament confirm that Adam's world, the world that then was, was totally destroyed in the Flood..... and that the heavens and earth which are now, will also be dissolved by fire.

Scoffers, of the end of time, will choose to be "willingly ignorant" of this event which Isaiah describes.

In fact, the same word (”dissolved” )- is used again and kept in store to describe the upcoming prophecy of the new heaven and earth which are now, reserved for fire - and will melt and shall be “dissolved” , by its fervent heat.(not by flood)

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store ("dissolved") , reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2PE 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?



I strongly believe that Cain’s generations were also totally and completely destroyed (died) together with the 1st Earth in the Flood.

The sons’ of God spoken in Gen 6:1-4 were prehistoric mankind that came forth from the waters of Adam; Earth and our also to our present world on the 5th Day, as well.

The prehistoric creatures or mankind were called “sons of God“ because they are innocent beings who received the blessings from God (Trinity) on the 5th Day - to be fruitful and multiply (Gen 1:22-23).

Gen 1:22-23 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. v23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

God bless you.
Evolutionist are decided to be willingly ignorant that their story does NOT agree with History.

A good example is the fact that Evols CLAIM that we evolved from Apes and became fully human some 195k years ago. They ignore the Historic fact that the FIRST human Agriculture did not occur until Noah’s and his family arrived on this so called "Planet of Apes" some 11k years ago, which is a trait of modern humans.

IOW, the people who evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, were NOT humans (Prehistoric Mankind) but only looked like humans since they had NO Agriculture until Noah arrived from another world. Evols should adjust their False assumption since Humans (Adam's descendants) did not arrive until some 11k years ago.

Below is evidence of the arrival of Humans just southwest of the mountains of Ararat, where Noah arrived. Human civilization began in Northern Mesopotamia exactly where the first Human cities appeared which were built by Noah's great grandsons. Genesis 10 History and Scripture AGREE, but the False ToE does NOT agree with either. That's because Lies do not agree with any other Truth.

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

Noah's flood did NOT happen in our Universe, but totally dissolved their. Adam's small world was beneath the surface of waters in the biggest Lake in the middle east, when the windows of their heaven on high were opened. It rained for forty days and nights and the firmament began to sink when the flood gates were open and the waters rushes in the firmament. As the firmament of their heaven filled with water, the covered Ark rose above the ground to the top of the firmament and out into Lake Van, in the mountains of Ararat, and into our 2nd Heaven, which was not surrounded by water. ALL of this happened on the 150th day AFTER the Flood began. Genesis 7 20-24 and Genesis 8:4

God's Truth is the Truth in every way. Adam which was surrounded with waters, above and below itOur world is surrounded by Star Dust and has never and will never be destroyed in a Flood, but instead, will be burned. ll Peter 3:10 and when this happen, Christians will all be in the Third Heaven or World by that time. Genesis 2:1

We live in a Multiverse and that's God's Truth... NOT mine.
 

Mii

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I don't think you'll find too many people on this site who believe in micro-evolution. It's pretty much a defunct theory.
 

Mii

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I don't think you'll find too many people on this site who believe in micro-evolution. It's pretty much a defunct theory.
Oh...actually I meant Macro evolution ;)


Apologies...Micro-evolution is something that appears fairly evident. Anyway, I get those mixed up.
 

Mii

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It seems to me that fallen angels who were teraphim or thrones before they fell had to be the only angels who could marry humans. Cherub or Seraphim are not able to take on human form.

Teraphim are fallen ones I'm pretty sure. Spirits that have misrepresented themselves in order to steal, kill, destroy.

I see no real evidence that they could legitimately marry. Have sex with possibly but to actually procreate...that's a stretch. Based off the unseen factor there could easily be thousands of "virgin" births if that were the case.
 

wolfwint

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Evolutionist are decided to be willingly ignorant that their story does NOT agree with History.

A good example is the fact that Evols CLAIM that we evolved from Apes and became fully human some 195k years ago. They ignore the Historic fact that the FIRST human Agriculture did not occur until Noah’s and his family arrived on this so called "Planet of Apes" some 11k years ago, which is a trait of modern humans.

IOW, the people who evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, were NOT humans (Prehistoric Mankind) but only looked like humans since they had NO Agriculture until Noah arrived from another world. Evols should adjust their False assumption since Humans (Adam's descendants) did not arrive until some 11k years ago.

Below is evidence of the arrival of Humans just southwest of the mountains of Ararat, where Noah arrived. Human civilization began in Northern Mesopotamia exactly where the first Human cities appeared which were built by Noah's great grandsons. Genesis 10 History and Scripture AGREE, but the False ToE does NOT agree with either. That's because Lies do not agree with any other Truth.

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

Noah's flood did NOT happen in our Universe, but totally dissolved their. Adam's small world was beneath the surface of waters in the biggest Lake in the middle east, when the windows of their heaven on high were opened. It rained for forty days and nights and the firmament began to sink when the flood gates were open and the waters rushes in the firmament. As the firmament of their heaven filled with water, the covered Ark rose above the ground to the top of the firmament and out into Lake Van, in the mountains of Ararat, and into our 2nd Heaven, which was not surrounded by water. ALL of this happened on the 150th day AFTER the Flood began. Genesis 7 20-24 and Genesis 8:4

God's Truth is the Truth in every way. Adam which was surrounded with waters, above and below itOur world is surrounded by Star Dust and has never and will never be destroyed in a Flood, but instead, will be burned. ll Peter 3:10 and when this happen, Christians will all be in the Third Heaven or World by that time. Genesis 2:1

We live in a Multiverse and that's God's Truth... NOT mine.
Maby you read to much SiFi? However. In his word he revealed not that what you are talking from. This is your opinion how it could be. But to tell that this is the truth is Strange. Of God wanted to reveal us in Detail he had done it. But to know this for us is not important.
Even your theory from a multiverse and different planets. Thats pure speculation. That Noahs flood was not in our universe, where this is written? And that with Noah came humans into our world, before there where no humans. This is a nice SiFi Story.
 

wolfwint

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Evolutionist are decided to be willingly ignorant that their story does NOT agree with History.

A good example is the fact that Evols CLAIM that we evolved from Apes and became fully human some 195k years ago. They ignore the Historic fact that the FIRST human Agriculture did not occur until Noah’s and his family arrived on this so called "Planet of Apes" some 11k years ago, which is a trait of modern humans.

IOW, the people who evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, were NOT humans (Prehistoric Mankind) but only looked like humans since they had NO Agriculture until Noah arrived from another world. Evols should adjust their False assumption since Humans (Adam's descendants) did not arrive until some 11k years ago.

Below is evidence of the arrival of Humans just southwest of the mountains of Ararat, where Noah arrived. Human civilization began in Northern Mesopotamia exactly where the first Human cities appeared which were built by Noah's great grandsons. Genesis 10 History and Scripture AGREE, but the False ToE does NOT agree with either. That's because Lies do not agree with any other Truth.

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

Noah's flood did NOT happen in our Universe, but totally dissolved their. Adam's small world was beneath the surface of waters in the biggest Lake in the middle east, when the windows of their heaven on high were opened. It rained for forty days and nights and the firmament began to sink when the flood gates were open and the waters rushes in the firmament. As the firmament of their heaven filled with water, the covered Ark rose above the ground to the top of the firmament and out into Lake Van, in the mountains of Ararat, and into our 2nd Heaven, which was not surrounded by water. ALL of this happened on the 150th day AFTER the Flood began. Genesis 7 20-24 and Genesis 8:4

God's Truth is the Truth in every way. Adam which was surrounded with waters, above and below itOur world is surrounded by Star Dust and has never and will never be destroyed in a Flood, but instead, will be burned. ll Peter 3:10 and when this happen, Christians will all be in the Third Heaven or World by that time. Genesis 2:1

We live in a Multiverse and that's God's Truth... NOT mine.
Maby, an explanation for the world before and after the flood.
The waterbelt which God createt was between the earth and the cosmos. So it hindered the UV from the sun to come to the earth as it is today.
Thats can be the reason that on the earth before the flood. The climate was constant warm and we could find dinosaur and a bigger plants than today. Also the people got much older.
During the flood this waterbelt sourounding the earth rained down in 40 days and disappeared. The climate changed. So the climate for dinosaur was not good for live and they died out. And the human live became much shorter. Maby you should read genesis 9 and special the verses 11 and 16 There God says that he never will AGAIN destroy the earth with a flood.
 

2Pillars

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Maby you read to much SiFi? However. In his word he revealed not that what you are talking from. This is your opinion how it could be. But to tell that this is the truth is Strange. Of God wanted to reveal us in Detail he had done it. But to know this for us is not important.
Even your theory from a multiverse and different planets. Thats pure speculation. That Noahs flood was not in our universe, where this is written? And that with Noah came humans into our world, before there where no humans. This is a nice SiFi Story.
God has hidden His Truth from this lost and dying world and only revealed it to His children. This ASSURES that ONLY by Faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to the Scriptures can one be saved. In order to understand you MUST study to show yourself approved unto God. 2Ti 2:15 ... Below is one of my favorite verses:

Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
 

Blik

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Teraphim are fallen ones I'm pretty sure. Spirits that have misrepresented themselves in order to steal, kill, destroy.

I see no real evidence that they could legitimately marry. Have sex with possibly but to actually procreate...that's a stretch. Based off the unseen factor there could easily be thousands of "virgin" births if that were the case.
I wonder at your unbelief. Scripture tells us they had children, there is no other way. And in the next verse it tells us about humans becoming wicked.

Genesis 6: 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
 

2Pillars

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Maby, an explanation for the world before and after the flood.
The waterbelt which God createt was between the earth and the cosmos. So it hindered the UV from the sun to come to the earth as it is today.
Thats can be the reason that on the earth before the flood. The climate was constant warm and we could find dinosaur and a bigger plants than today. Also the people got much older.
During the flood this waterbelt sourounding the earth rained down in 40 days and disappeared. The climate changed. So the climate for dinosaur was not good for live and they died out. And the human live became much shorter. Maby you should read genesis 9 and special the verses 11 and 16 There God says that he never will AGAIN destroy the earth with a flood.
Where have YOU been? I have posted evidence from Scripture, Science, and History and NOT a single refute has come back to me.

WHEN do you think the rest of you will get around to posting evidence of ANY thing but Disagreement, which you have with EVERY other who do not subscribe to your Ancient Traditional Goatherder’s Theology.

I don't find your objection to my post properly articulated. relevant to what I have asserted. therefore, your OBJECTION IS DENIED once again.
 

oyster67

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Where have YOU been? I have posted evidence from Scripture, Science, and History and NOT a single refute has come back to me.

WHEN do you think the rest of you will get around to posting evidence of ANY thing but Disagreement, which you have with EVERY other who do not subscribe to your Ancient Traditional Goatherder’s Theology.

I don't find your objection to my post properly articulated. relevant to what I have asserted. therefore, your OBJECTION IS DENIED once again.
Very few here are taking you seriously. You are tolerated because you began by presenting your wild and nutty ideas as opinion. Our ancient goatherder friend's post (at least on this thread) seem to be much more stable and in alignment with the Holy Scriptures.
 

2Pillars

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Very few here are taking you seriously. You are tolerated because you began by presenting your wild and nutty ideas as opinion. Our ancient goatherder friend's post (at least on this thread) seem to be much more stable and in alignment with the Holy Scriptures.
I could care less if that's how you feel. I am NOT here to please you or anybody here. I am here to post what I believe to be God's Truth... whether you Believe it or NOT.

Here's what the Lord promise us to do.

Isa 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
 

wolfwint

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Where have YOU been? I have posted evidence from Scripture, Science, and History and NOT a single refute has come back to me.

WHEN do you think the rest of you will get around to posting evidence of ANY thing but Disagreement, which you have with EVERY other who do not subscribe to your Ancient Traditional Goatherder’s Theology.

I don't find your objection to my post properly articulated. relevant to what I have asserted. therefore, your OBJECTION IS DENIED once again.
Then how you can claim that Noahs flood was not in our universe? Genesis 9 says clear that the flood was on this earth. The earth you and I are living?
 

oyster67

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I could care less if that's how you feel. I am NOT here to please you or anybody here. I am here to post what I believe to be God's Truth... whether you Believe it or NOT.
I do not personally dislike you, I am just confused as to why you feel the need to inject the simple truth of God's Holy Word with so much unnecessary junk.
 

2Pillars

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Then how you can claim that Noahs flood was not in our universe? Genesis 9 says clear that the flood was on this earth. The earth you and I are living?
Read my post #1 and #3 which states detail differences between Adam’s former World - in comparison to our present Heaven and Earth which are now. It’s also a Biblical fact that Adam’s World was surrounded by water below and above it….….. while our present World is surrounded by Star Dust.

See Ancient Hebrew Perspective of Adam’s World - see link ..... https://www.pinterest.ph/pin/113715959316206919/

The first Heaven or World was in the midst of water and later destroyed in a Flood.The second Heaven is our present world, which is scheduled to be burned. The third Heaven is the object of the Creation, contains a single city with streets of gold and gates of pearl, and it will never die (Rev.21).

The first Heaven or World was in the midst of water and later destroyed in a Flood.
The second Heaven is our present world, which is scheduled to be burned.
The third Heaven is the object of the Creation, contains a single city with streets of gold and gates of pearl, and it will never die (Rev.21).


The first heaven was made the SECOND Day. Genesis 1:6-8
The second heaven was made the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4
The third heaven was is also made on the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4


Do you see the Plurality of Shamayim in Genesis 2:4, LITERALLY speaking?

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavenS (Plural) and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

It's a Multiverse alright.
 

posthuman

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I could care less if that's how you feel. I am NOT here to please you or anybody here. I am here to post what I believe to be God's Truth... whether you Believe it or NOT.
whether Oyster is pleased with you or not, and regardless of how he feels, he's correct in that you're not being taken seriously, and that's why you're not receiving ((many)) serious answers to your narratives.

as you said

Eat you heart out because, I am having fun here. hehehe
for myself, and i think the view is shared, a lot of what you're saying here doesn't seem 'worth taking the time to respond to' -- and in that is much akin to pretty much every other 'flat-earth' diatribe: there is so much error involved that a person hardly knows where to begin, and for every paragraph such an opiner writes, 15 more are needed to address where he's gone wrong and set the record straight. that's a lot of effort to go through for someone who is admittedly 'having fun' giving 'opinion and theories' -- especially when such a person shows themselves unreceptive to criticism.
for ex, someone makes a statement that 'the sun only appears to set because it's farther away at night' -- 12 words. this is wrong in many ways, and to properly correct it i could easily write 5,000 words, draw 10 complex diagrams and derive 6 mathematical lemmas. is that worth my time? i'd spend 3 hours rejecting what someone took 45 seconds to post, and odds are that person would sail past all my work unaffected, already having convinced themselves and taking no thought to criticize his own reasoning. odds are they wouldn't even understand the counterargument, and that has a lot to do with why they're deceived in the first place.

given this, you should not conclude that just because you haven't been exhaustively opposed, you cannot be. absence of counterargument, in this situation, is not evidence that you are correct -- it is not ruled out that of the small audience you are reaching here, perhaps simply no one feels like taking the necessary trouble to fully address what you say.

this is what he was trying to tell you may be the case -- and it certainly has been true of me. this doesn't have anything to do with whether he believes you or not, it's just a fact you overlook when you say things like 'no one has refuted me' -- that doesn't mean you're right. it doesn't mean no one can. it may mean, no one who can has thus far felt it necessary or prudent to do so.
 

posthuman

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I don't find your objection to my post properly articulated. relevant to what I have asserted. therefore, your OBJECTION IS DENIED
hmm i don't think you're using enough gerunds in your dialogue, and very few semicolons for my taste.
also i don't particularly care for the font you post in.

so..
 

wolfwint

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Read my post #1 and #3 which states detail differences between Adam’s former World - in comparison to our present Heaven and Earth which are now. It’s also a Biblical fact that Adam’s World was surrounded by water below and above it….….. while our present World is surrounded by Star Dust.

See Ancient Hebrew Perspective of Adam’s World - see link ..... https://www.pinterest.ph/pin/113715959316206919/

The first Heaven or World was in the midst of water and later destroyed in a Flood.The second Heaven is our present world, which is scheduled to be burned. The third Heaven is the object of the Creation, contains a single city with streets of gold and gates of pearl, and it will never die (Rev.21).

The first Heaven or World was in the midst of water and later destroyed in a Flood.
The second Heaven is our present world, which is scheduled to be burned.
The third Heaven is the object of the Creation, contains a single city with streets of gold and gates of pearl, and it will never die (Rev.21).


The first heaven was made the SECOND Day. Genesis 1:6-8
The second heaven was made the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4
The third heaven was is also made on the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4


Do you see the Plurality of Shamayim in Genesis 2:4, LITERALLY speaking?

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavenS (Plural) and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

It's a Multiverse alright.
Then you are ignoring Genesis 9?
Nowhere God reveals the heavens he mentioned. Your assumption is nothing more then an assumtion.
If you believe this is true, go ahead.
You say you relay on Sience, History and the word of God.
Sience is men work and they dont know everything, because not everythung is from God revealed and explained.
History, is mens work, to find out was was in the past. But also they can be wrong in there theorys and explanations.
Word of God, how many useing the scripture for to justify their view. Take for example the JW. They useing alone the scripture for to explain their wrong doctrines.

Give me an explanation for Genesis 9, if the flood was not on our earth, but in another universe.
Genesis 9,11 +16 makes no sense if you are right. Then God lies.
I know that God never lies!