Discussing Noah's Flood - Mysteries & Theories

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
27,476
8,298
113
Again, the reasons Prehistoric Creatures or Mankind are calledsons of God“ is because, in the eyes of the God, they were innocent creatures / beings (who do not have the knowledge of “good and evil”) …. who also received the blessings from God (Trinity) on the 5th Day - to be fruitful and multiply (Gen 1:22-23). - the same blessing also given also to A&E on the 6th Day when they were created in the image and likeness of God. Gen 1:26-27 and 5:1-3

Read and learn:

Gen 1:22-23 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. v23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day
Lol wow

You are very typical of a flat earth disciple

Can I ask why you ignored verse 21?

Genesis 1:21 So God created the great sea creatures and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

O I know why. Because it is a relevant fact and if we knew the relevant facts there is no way we'd buy your deception.
Vv 22-23 are about sea creatures and birds, not mankind.

That is what I meant by, 'typical of the gospel of flat earth' - - you depend heavily on our ignorance and naivete.
 

2Pillars

Junior Member
Jan 28, 2016
112
14
18
Lol wow

You are very typical of a flat earth disciple

Can I ask why you ignored verse 21?

Genesis 1:21 So God created the great sea creatures and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

O I know why. Because it is a relevant fact and if we knew the relevant facts there is no way we'd buy your deception.
Vv 22-23 are about sea creatures and birds, not mankind.

That is what I meant by, 'typical of the gospel of flat earth' - - you depend heavily on our ignorance and naivete.
Scripture (except for Adam) and Science confirms and agree that... EVERY living Creature evolved from the water, since we MUST have water to live or EVERY cell in our body would die without it.

Read and learn:

[Gen 1:20-23 KJV] 20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the MOVING CREATURE THAT HATH LIFE, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. v21 And God created great whales, and EVERY LIVING CREATURE that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

v22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. v23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Prehistoric CREATURES OR MANKIND move and has life, don’t they?

If so, consider yourself refuted by Scripture and True Science discoveries.

Only willingly ignorant people like you will always stumble to this Truth.

2Pillars >>>Again, the reasons Prehistoric Creatures or Mankind are calledsons of God“ is because, in the eyes of the God, they were innocent creatures / beings (who do not have the knowledge of “good and evil”) …. who also received the blessings from God (Trinity) on the 5th Day - to be fruitful and multiply (Gen 1:22-23). - the same blessing also given also to A&E on the 6th Day when they were created in the image and likeness of God. Gen 1:26-27 and 5:1-3 <<<<

Gen 1:22-23 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. v23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day
 

2Pillars

Junior Member
Jan 28, 2016
112
14
18
Scripture (except for Adam) and Science confirms and agree that... EVERY living Creature evolved from the water, since we MUST have water to live or EVERY cell in our body would die without it.
Oh?

Ecclesiastes 3:20
All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Correct... DUST TO DUST.... since YHWH, the Son of God, also Made / Formed Creatures, Animals and fowls of the air with nostrils that has the breath of life (His / Their Kinds) from the dust of the ground on the 6th Day.

BTW, I am not here to deceived anybody.... Either you Believe my posts or Not.... that's all.

Next Please....
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
14,089
7,586
113
Correct... DUST TO DUST.... since YHWH, the Son of God, also Made / Formed Creatures, Animals and fowls of the air with nostrils that has the breath of life (His / Their Kinds) from the dust of the ground on the 6th Day.

BTW, I am not here to deceived anybody.... Either you Believe my posts or Not.... that's all.

Next Please....
Not.
 

oyster67

Senior Member
May 24, 2014
3,082
2,675
113
Scripture (except for Adam) and Science confirms and agree that... EVERY living Creature evolved from the water, since we MUST have water to live or EVERY cell in our body would die without it.
Sounds kind of fishy to me.
 

TLC209

Active member
Mar 20, 2019
545
181
43
37
Merced, CA
Scripture (except for Adam) and Science confirms and agree that... EVERY living Creature evolved from the water, since we MUST have water to live or EVERY cell in our body would die without it.

Read and learn:

[Gen 1:20-23 KJV] 20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the MOVING CREATURE THAT HATH LIFE, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. v21 And God created great whales, and EVERY LIVING CREATURE that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

v22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. v23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Prehistoric CREATURES OR MANKIND move and has life, don’t they?

If so, consider yourself refuted by Scripture and True Science discoveries.

Only willingly ignorant people like you will always stumble to this Truth.

2Pillars >>>Again, the reasons Prehistoric Creatures or Mankind are calledsons of God“ is because, in the eyes of the God, they were innocent creatures / beings (who do not have the knowledge of “good and evil”) …. who also received the blessings from God (Trinity) on the 5th Day - to be fruitful and multiply (Gen 1:22-23). - the same blessing also given also to A&E on the 6th Day when they were created in the image and likeness of God. Gen 1:26-27 and 5:1-3 <<<<

Gen 1:22-23 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. v23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day
If you believe in science go join the scientologist. This is a Christian forum. We dont believe in evolution. God created everything through His Word. Nothing evolved. It all came into existence through God.

There is no seperate mankind, God created man in His image. There is only Adam and his decendants. If there were other men who did not eat from the tree of good and evil then they would be sinless and God would not declare men to be sinners through the one offense which was by Adam.

But since we come from the original Adam we inherited sin. Adam is referred to as son of God. (Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. Came from God and has no sin.) Man was created on the 6th day. No one evolved from water or monkeys.
 

2Pillars

Junior Member
Jan 28, 2016
112
14
18
If you believe in science go join the scientologist. This is a Christian forum. We dont believe in evolution. God created everything through His Word. Nothing evolved. It all came into existence through God.
Descent with Modification or Micro-Evolution happens every time a baby is born.

Evolution is the measured change in the genetics when two separate beings produce another totally separate individual, in a population, over time. Gen 6:1-4 also shows that the sons of God (prehistoric people) can produce children with Adam's descendants and in the process, the children change from animal to the Superior Human intelligence of Adam, which is like God's. Gen 3:22

Did you really think that YHWH only spoke the Word in order for those other Creatures and Animals came into existence on the 6th Day…. or did He physically mold each and every one of them into existence from the dust of the ground on the 6th Day - like a Potter would mold a clay - and breath them on their nostrils and gave them the breath of life.

Do you see now the errors and the flaws of your convoluted understanding?

There is no seperate mankind, God created man in His image. There is only Adam and his decendants. If there were other men who did not eat from the tree of good and evil then they would be sinless and God would not declare men to be sinners through the one offense which was by Adam.
QUOTE="2Pillars>>>>>>>

[Gen 6:1-3 KJV] 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,.

v2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with Man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Obviously, the Lord was totally disgusted to see the daughters of men forming a union of marriage with the prehistoric beings or sons of God. Gen 6:3 since the Lord knows that those combinations would produce men of brutish beast - mighty men of old. Therefore, the Lord cuts mankind's lifespan to a 90% or 120 years duration only. The more older the Heathens get, the more meaner they get.

FYI, Prehistoric Creatures or Mankind are Made of FLESH-- however, Angels are Eternal spiritual beings and NOT made of Flesh as document in the Scripture above - Gen 6:3

Btw, also, Angels do NOT Die since they are made Eternal spiritual beings and NOT FLESH just like prehistoric mankind in order to cut their lifespan to 90% or up 120 years old lifespan duration - as stated in the cited text above Gen 6:3. <<<<<<<<<END OF QUOTE

NO REBUTTAL? I THOUGHT SO... SINCE YOUR VIEW IS ONLY BASED ON WILD IMAGINATIONS OF MEN AND NOT SUPPORTED BY SCRIPTURE.

But since we come from the original Adam we inherited sin. Adam is referred to as son of God. (Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. Came from God and has no sin.) Man was created on the 6th day. No one evolved from water or monkeys.
Where do you think Cain got his wife from? And also, Noah' grond sons, who do you think they marry on this "Planet of Apes" some 1Ok years ago?

Of, course, we descended from Adam and did not evolved from common Ancestor of Apes. But human's blood were contaminated by the ERVs of chimps / Apes... because, Noah' grandsons had no one to marry except those prehistoric mankind when they arrived to our present world.

In fact, Not everybody is created in the image and likeness of God. Most definitely, Cain who is a murderer and a liar was not made in the image and likeness of God.
 

TLC209

Active member
Mar 20, 2019
545
181
43
37
Merced, CA
Descent with Modification or Micro-Evolution happens every time a baby is born.

Evolution is the measured change in the genetics when two separate beings produce another totally separate individual, in a population, over time. Gen 6:1-4 also shows that the sons of God (prehistoric people) can produce children with Adam's descendants and in the process, the children change from animal to the Superior Human intelligence of Adam, which is like God's. Gen 3:22

Did you really think that YHWH only spoke the Word in order for those other Creatures and Animals came into existence on the 6th Day…. or did He physically mold each and every one of them into existence from the dust of the ground on the 6th Day - like a Potter would mold a clay - and breath them on their nostrils and gave them the breath of life.

Do you see now the errors and the flaws of your convoluted understanding?



QUOTE="2Pillars>>>>>>>

[Gen 6:1-3 KJV] 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,.

v2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with Man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Obviously, the Lord was totally disgusted to see the daughters of men forming a union of marriage with the prehistoric beings or sons of God. Gen 6:3 since the Lord knows that those combinations would produce men of brutish beast - mighty men of old. Therefore, the Lord cuts mankind's lifespan to a 90% or 120 years duration only. The more older the Heathens get, the more meaner they get.

FYI, Prehistoric Creatures or Mankind are Made of FLESH-- however, Angels are Eternal spiritual beings and NOT made of Flesh as document in the Scripture above - Gen 6:3

Btw, also, Angels do NOT Die since they are made Eternal spiritual beings and NOT FLESH just like prehistoric mankind in order to cut their lifespan to 90% or up 120 years old lifespan duration - as stated in the cited text above Gen 6:3. <<<<<<<<<END OF QUOTE

NO REBUTTAL? I THOUGHT SO... SINCE YOUR VIEW IS ONLY BASED ON WILD IMAGINATIONS OF MEN AND NOT SUPPORTED BY SCRIPTURE.



Where do you think Cain got his wife from? And also, Noah' grond sons, who do you think they marry on this "Planet of Apes" some 1Ok years ago?

Of, course, we descended from Adam and did not evolved from common Ancestor of Apes. But human's blood were contaminated by the ERVs of chimps / Apes... because, Noah' grandsons had no one to marry except those prehistoric mankind when they arrived to our present world.

In fact, Not everybody is created in the image and likeness of God. Most definitely, Cain who is a murderer and a liar was not made in the image and likeness of God.
1. Everything was created through the Word. God spoke everything into existence.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

2. Everyone was destroyed in the flood. So even your concept of monkey people/prehistoric caveman were all killed in the flood. Whether or not Giants were offspring of angels and men is irrelevant because they were all destroyed. Noah and his family were the only ones spared. Noah his wife, his 3 sons and their wives. 8 people in total. They didnt find strange monkey women that survived the flood. They didnt find mermaids either. They took their wives onto the ark.


Genesis 7:7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.

Genesis 7:13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
14,089
7,586
113
Descent with Modification or Micro-Evolution happens every time a baby is born.

Evolution is the measured change in the genetics when two separate beings produce another totally separate individual, in a population, over time.
The problem with your theory is that the change is loss of information, not gain. Evolution as the secular world uses the term requires a gain of information.
 
K

KnowMe

Guest
Hmm lots of things survived the flood outside the ark, whales and olive trees just a few.
 
K

KnowMe

Guest
Hmm birds flying into outer space

14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

if this is figurative and not literal than the same for who say 24 hours a day.
 

2Pillars

Junior Member
Jan 28, 2016
112
14
18
Micro-evo is not the issue in question here, I think you know that.
Micro-Evolution or Descent with Modification becomes an issue when people like you try to deceive others by agreeing that God uses Evolution to multiply Human kinds - by chance thru mutation and long periods of time as Evolutionism falsely preaches - rather than God Create other creatures (His / Their kinds) for compatibility and to multiply thru birthing process.

Science is studying the evolution of the sons of God (prehistoric people) instead of Humans, who are the descendants of Adam, the common ancestor of ALL Humans.

This is clear when you ask Evols to explain WHERE the first Human came from, since the only way in which Humans can pass the invisible intelligence of Adam, to another Human, is through the birthing process. Evols run, hide, call names, imply that anyone who asks this question is nuts, and claim there was no first Human and that magical evolution did it.

NONE of them can produce ANY evidence of this event since Science is currently IGNORANT of the difference between Human and animal intelligence Today. They would have us believe that Apes evolved into Humans and that it happened 200k years ago.

Evols also falsely CLAIM that long periods of time and numerous positive mutations produced Human intelligence in animals. No Evol refutes them because God has caught ALL of them in His Snare, which He set with the Flood. The Trap they are caught in is that they have been Falsely teaching Evolution for more than 50 years, that Humans evolved from animals, BECAUSE they have Rejected God's Truth of the Flood. Soon, they must DEFEND this Satanic Lie and the only defense they have is to be "willingly ignorant" of God's Truth. Here is God's Truth, which tells of this debate, with the Scoffers in the last days.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed totally)

Here is the origin of the sons of God (prehistoric people) who were created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day, as commanded by God some 3.77 Billion years ago, in man's time. Science AGREES that our cells cannot survive without liquid water and that’s why we seek liquid water on other planets to see if they have the possibility of life form or not. We find the bones of prehistoric people all the way back to the time when they diverged from Chimps some 6 Million years ago.

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:22-23 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. v23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Adam's direct descendant, Noah, arrived on our Earth, some 11k years ago and Human civilization, on this Planet, can be traced to him. History agrees and odd man out is the False ToE which is "willingly ignorant" 2Pe 3:5 of our true Human origins. You can read of the sexual compatibility of the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Adam's descendants in Genesis 6:1-4.

Prehistoric people were just like today's Humans and they moved and had their origin in water EXACTLY as Scripture and Science tell us. Science calls this appearance of life from water a "Natural" happening, but God shows that it was all a part of His Creation.

What the posting shows is that this False Teaching of the ToE is NOT true, and supposes things which have No data to support their False Assumptions. That's because Humans are the descendants of Adam and Adam's superior intelligence MUST be inherited sexually and CANNOT happen by chance mutation and long periods of time as Evolutionism falsely preaches.
 

2Pillars

Junior Member
Jan 28, 2016
112
14
18
Humans could NOT have evolved from a common ancestor of Apes because there were NO humans on this Planet until some 11k years ago, when Noah arrived form another world, as I have illustrated in my previous posts.. The reason we have the ERVs of the common ancestor of the sons of God (Prehistoric people) and Apes is because we inherited them from the people Noah's grandsons married to, since, there were NO other Humans for them to marry.

Inside every Human today is the DNA and ERVS of the common ancestor of the sons of God or prehistoric people but this does NOT show that Humans evolved from the same common ancestor. Adam was made on the SAME Day as the Big Bang and was with Jesus on another world .... which was at least 9 Billion years BEFORE our Solar System was complete. Genesis 2:4-7

And that's God's Truth not mine.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
14,089
7,586
113
Humans could NOT have evolved from a common ancestor of Apes because there were NO humans on this Planet until some 11k years ago, when Noah arrived form another world, as I have illustrated in my previous posts.. The reason we have the ERVs of the common ancestor of the sons of God (Prehistoric people) and Apes is because we inherited them from the people Noah's grandsons married to, since, there were NO other Humans for them to marry.

Inside every Human today is the DNA and ERVS of the common ancestor of the sons of God or prehistoric people but this does NOT show that Humans evolved from the same common ancestor. Adam was made on the SAME Day as the Big Bang and was with Jesus on another world .... which was at least 9 Billion years BEFORE our Solar System was complete. Genesis 2:4-7

And that's God's Truth not mine.
That's neither scientific nor biblical.
 

2Pillars

Junior Member
Jan 28, 2016
112
14
18
That's neither scientific nor biblical.
The DNA code shows that today's Humans are a combination of the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Adam's descendants. This agrees in every way with Genesis 6:4 which shows that this combination was on Adam's world (Cain's wife) AND "also after that" Gen 10:10 on the present Earth. Gen 6:4

Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans to marry. Like Cain, they married the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric people) on the present Earth. Science has mistakenly classified the sons of God (prehistoric people) as Humans. They were NOT Humans since ONLY the descendants of Adam have inherited his superior intelligence which is like God's. Gen 3:22

If you don't believe me then explain HOW today's Humans have the DNA of prehistoric people within our bloodstream. God's Truth is the Truth in every way. Amen?

Flood totally destroyed Adam's world. Gen 6:13-Gen 9:11-Isa 24:20-2Pe 2:5-2Pe 3:6. Since the worldwide flood did NOT destroy our world, Scripture is obviously speaking of another world.
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
27,476
8,298
113
Since the worldwide flood did NOT destroy our world
the world the ark came to rest on had been covered with water.

He sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded.
(Genesis 8:1)

By the first day of the first month of Noah’s six hundred and first year,
the water had dried up from the earth.
(Genesis 8:13)
rewriting the Bible to fit ones personal imaginations is not a good idea.