Discussion about the spiritual realm and it's laws

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Let us hold what has been said in this thread to the light of Scripture...

Hebrews 11:3 By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.

Yes the physical (seen) was made out of the spiritual (unseen).

However saying now one else knows this was an incorrect statement. It's clearly in the Bible. Anyone who knows Scripture knows that God's words of spirit created the physical realm (Genesis 1).

Further... let us see what Scripture says about mysteries (or profound things)....

1 Co 13:2 And if I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

Even profound things without love profit nothing. And those who speak them without love are regarded in Scripture as such...

What is love?

1 Co 13:7 AMP Love bears up under anything and everything that comes, is ever ready to believe the best of every person, its hopes are fadeless under all.

If we are not believing the best of every person, that they themselves are also lead by Christ, and need not teacher, then we are not displaying love... and without love even the most profound statements profit nothing.

C.
You are not posting this to me are you?
 

Blain

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​I am from the Spirit realm.
? the flesh claiming to come from the spiritual realm? Listen buddy this thread is not about you it's about discussing the laws and how the spiritual realm might work so if you only intend to argue with ppl please leave this thread
 

ManonFire63

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Heaven and Hell are both Mirrors. What God has shown me, if you want Heaven and Earth, then you need to clean up the Body of Christ. Orthodox, from some emails I had with a priest, seem to believe it is still 800 AD in Eastern Rome, and they are living in the Kingdom of God.

Time goes in a Circle. (Ecclesiastes 1:9-11) The US recently had a lot of children immigrants at its border. Similar to Goths at the Gate or a Children's Crusade? That is how God works.

Faith is hard, and there are rules to Faith. It is like Peter walking with Jesus on the water or Lot and his wife. You can feel something happening. Your senses tell you something is happening. Don't look down, don't look back. Doing either shows doubt. Doubt kills Faith.

I was walking to about a 1/2 mile or more to a Bible study from my apartment. It was raining. I went to put my Bible under my coat, and a heard a voice say "Don't Worry." I left the Bible in my hand and let it swing with my arm naturally. It was not raining hard, but it was raining hard enough that it could make my Bible wet, and potentially damage it.

My hand felt dry. I did not look at the Bible or worry about it. I walked through the rain, and when I reached my destination my Bible was not wet.

After the Bible Study, it was raining much harder. I started walking as I did before, and I worried. My hand felt dry when it should be wet, and I worried about my Bible. Without looking down I touched the binding of the Bible and ran my finger along it. It was dry, but as I started to touch it, it started to become wet.

When you are attuned to the Spirit, you start to be able to sense and feel things. Don't look down, don't look back. If Benny Hinn is a miracle worker and healer, and Atheist start researching him, it can be a Faith killer.
 
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#86
If I were you I'd start grounding my faith in the Word and not experiences. Experiences come and go and may or may not be from God. Getting to know scripture well will give far more peace.

Don't want to get on the mouse wheel of emotion .. where if something doesn't 'feel' a certain way then it isn't from God.

I don't really know your situation completely but just sounds like you need some assurance and firmly rooted faith.[/QUOTE/ 1 John 4:13 Hereby, we know that we dwell in him ​,and he in us, because he has given us his Spirit....12 No man has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwells in us ,and his love is perfected in us.
 
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#87
Just something I was pondering on my walk today. The spiritual realm vs the physical realm, there are laws and physics here that control how we do things and how things in this world works, Gravity is one example here we cannot fly and things are bound to the ground by gravity for the most part but in the spiritual realm it could be completely different. in this world a castle in on the ground but in the spiritual realm it could be a floating castle with no real logic as to how it floats.

But to be more specific I was pondering the laws of the spiritual realm with God. For instance I was told long ago how dangerous it is to challenge satan and honestly with how much he tells me how I am not good enough or strong enough I often times tend to back talk to him mostly how i am stronger than he says I am or something however sometimes I fear I go to far because I really tend to get angry at him and while I don't openly challenge him sometimes my words tend to appear that way to me. It made me wonder about the spiritual laws like what opens one door and closes another what allows satan or his minions to be able to attack you and then I in all of this I asked myself wait i don't get it am I supposed to be afraid of him or not?

Still discussing the laws and the way the spiritual realm is seemed like a very interesting thread and certainly better than another heated debate over a subject that been discussed over and over and if you go the bdf often you know the subjects I speak of as there are many[/QUOTE/ Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, Did not bring a railing accusation, but said , the Lord rebuke you.
 

ManonFire63

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Just something I was pondering on my walk today. The spiritual realm vs the physical realm, there are laws and physics here that control how we do things and how things in this world works, Gravity is one example here we cannot fly and things are bound to the ground by gravity for the most part but in the spiritual realm it could be completely different. in this world a castle in on the ground but in the spiritual realm it could be a floating castle with no real logic as to how it floats.

But to be more specific I was pondering the laws of the spiritual realm with God. For instance I was told long ago how dangerous it is to challenge satan and honestly with how much he tells me how I am not good enough or strong enough I often times tend to back talk to him mostly how i am stronger than he says I am or something however sometimes I fear I go to far because I really tend to get angry at him and while I don't openly challenge him sometimes my words tend to appear that way to me. It made me wonder about the spiritual laws like what opens one door and closes another what allows satan or his minions to be able to attack you and then I in all of this I asked myself wait i don't get it am I supposed to be afraid of him or not?

Still discussing the laws and the way the spiritual realm is seemed like a very interesting thread and certainly better than another heated debate over a subject that been discussed over and over and if you go the bdf often you know the subjects I speak of as there are many[/QUOTE/ Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, Did not bring a railing accusation, but said , the Lord rebuke you.
Fear of God takes away your Fear of Man, and of anything else. If you believe that you are not strong enough to challenge Satan then you are right, and you are at his mercy. You need to grow more in Faith. God has Good plans for you, and he will shelter you. You just have to trust him. Faith starts with belief, but is a journey of getting to know God, and learning how and where to Trust him.

I have had three run ins with Beliar. All three of them happened, Cause and Effect, because I was messing with the Illuminati on Facebook. The First time I was laying on the floor in my room, and God told me he was coming. The wall of my room separates my apartment with outside. I felt a dark presence on the other side of the wall, and it was like he passed through it and hovered over me. I was scared, and did not want to look up. I heard some sort of noise which must have been demon speak, and my mouth was felt supernaturally shut, and could not open it to let out a prayer.

It was uncomfortable. I have been uncomfortable before. I relaxed and let go of my fear and just worked on calling out to Jesus. It took many tries, but eventually I was able to open my mouth, and I prayed, and I told Beliar to go away. He left and I laid there exhausted trying to allow my nerves to settle.
 
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#89
I am going to say something very profound and unknown to ALL of you.

Unless you have the knowledge and can understand that knowledge of this principal.

You will not enter into the realm of the spiritual realm with any understanding.

The physical realm is the manifestation of the spiritual realm.

And the reason I am revealing this to you is not to exalt myself

but to point out to you for the sake of my own pleasure

your place in the order of things.


[/QUOTe/ We see through a glass darkly in the natural world created by God I think you words " you will not enter the spirit realm with any understanding" Is just a personal revelation for you.
 
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Fear of God takes away your Fear of Man, and of anything else. If you believe that you are not strong enough to challenge Satan then you are right, and you are at his mercy. You need to grow more in Faith. God has Good plans for you, and he will shelter you. You just have to trust him. Faith starts with belief, but is a journey of getting to know God, and learning how and where to Trust him.

I have had three run ins with Beliar. All three of them happened, Cause and Effect, because I was messing with the Illuminati on Facebook. The First time I was laying on the floor in my room, and God told me he was coming. The wall of my room separates my apartment with outside. I felt a dark presence on the other side of the wall, and it was like he passed through it and hovered over me. I was scared, and did not want to look up. I heard some sort of noise which must have been demon speak, and my mouth was felt supernaturally shut, and could not open it to let out a prayer.

It was uncomfortable. I have been uncomfortable before. I relaxed and let go of my fear and just worked on calling out to Jesus. It took many tries, but eventually I was able to open my mouth, and I prayed, and I told Beliar to go away. He left and I laid there exhausted trying to allow my nerves to settle.
:rolleyes:
 
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Fear of God takes away your Fear of Man, and of anything else. If you believe that you are not strong enough to challenge Satan then you are right, and you are at his mercy. You need to grow more in Faith. God has Good plans for you, and he will shelter you. You just have to trust him. Faith starts with belief, but is a journey of getting to know God, and learning how and where to Trust him.

I have had three run ins with Beliar. All three of them happened, Cause and Effect, because I was messing with the Illuminati on Facebook. The First time I was laying on the floor in my room, and God told me he was coming. The wall of my room separates my apartment with outside. I felt a dark presence on the other side of the wall, and it was like he passed through it and hovered over me. I was scared, and did not want to look up. I heard some sort of noise which must have been demon speak, and my mouth was felt supernaturally shut, and could not open it to let out a prayer.

It was uncomfortable. I have been uncomfortable before. I relaxed and let go of my fear and just worked on calling out to Jesus. It took many tries, but eventually I was able to open my mouth, and I prayed, and I told Beliar to go away. He left and I laid there exhausted trying to allow my nerves to settle.
God does not send evil to you friend, it only comes when it is invited.
 

ManonFire63

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God does not send evil to you friend, it only comes when it is invited.
God will allow you to be tested. Satan was allowed to test Jesus. It isn't for God, but for you. How do you know you can endure and triumph over it unless it you have been there? How can you teach others unless you have experience with it?
 
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God will allow you to be tested. Satan was allowed to test Jesus. It isn't for God, but for you. How do you know you can endure and triumph over it unless it you have been there? How can you teach others unless you have experience with it?
Jesus did not lie on the sand, struck down by fear.
He used the Word of God and was not helpless as you state you were.

Keep it Bible and not fairy tale.
 

ManonFire63

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Jesus did not lie on the sand, struck down by fear.
He used the Word of God and was not helpless as you state you were.

Keep it Bible and not fairy tale.
Why are you judging me? I am not Jesus, and I am not trying to be. Even Jesus had a learning curve.
 
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Why are you judging me? I am not Jesus, and I am not trying to be. Even Jesus had a learning curve.
Nobody is judging you. You are stating things that are not Biblical. If you are truly trying to learn, then the first step is learning to accept correction.
 

ManonFire63

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Nobody is judging you. You are stating things that are not Biblical. If you are truly trying to learn, then the first step is learning to accept correction.
You are judging me, and you are trying to bust me down, and you challenging my integrity.

What did I state that was not biblical?

I tell you, truly, that everything about the Spiritual, and everything about God, is not in The Bible. Have you seen how big the Talmud is? It is like an encyclopedia. God does not want you to rely on that. You wants you to accept his Spirit, and let it lead you. The Bible is The Word of God. It shows his Character and Promises and how to grow in Faith. There is more when you learn to listen to the Spirit.
 

RickyZ

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What did I state that was not biblical?
Let's just start with this:

I tell you, truly, that everything about the Spiritual, and everything about God, is not in The Bible.

There is more when you learn to listen to the Spirit.


Man, I think you are listening to the wrong spirits.
 

ManonFire63

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Man, I think you are listening to the wrong spirits.
Those with an ear to hear, listen to what the Spirit is saying to the Churches. Do you hear what the Spirit is saying? Then maybe approach this with a humble heart, and you may learn something.
 
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God does not send evil to you friend, it only comes when it is invited.[/QUOTEt/ I did not write the post you are refering to. It was the part I was responding to, It was Manon fire who wrote it. I don't know about sending evil.....Satan tempted Jesus when he was lead into the desert, God at least allowed this and other instances like it. Every man is tempted when he is drawn away by his own lust and enticed.All thing work together for our good if we love God and are called according to his purpose. God could use tribulation for our learning and for his glory.. We should Glory in tribulation as a Paul says, so that Christ
 
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God does not send evil to you friend, it only comes when it is invited.[/QUOTEt/ I did not write the post you are refering to. It was the part I was responding to, It was Manon fire who wrote it. I don't know about sending evil.....Satan tempted Jesus when he was lead into the desert, God at least allowed this and other instances like it. Every man is tempted when he is drawn away by his own lust and enticed.All thing work together for our good if we love God and are called according to his purpose. God could use tribulation for our learning and for his glory.. We should Glory in tribulation as a Paul says, so that Christ
I know you did not write the post. This guys is claiming some devil actually visited him and it probably did, when the guy invited him in.

Satan tempting you is not God sending pure evil to torment you and place you in fear.