Distinctives of Dispensationalism

[zone]

And yes. Since vs 11-12 where shown to be fulfilled. And since 13-15 has been proven to not be fulfilled. The mystery must occure between these two events.

okay.
so the mystery - which is not a mystery anymore - that the gentiles would be fellow heirs with ISRAEL in the promise falls between the 2 parts of Amos.

let's go with that. i'm fine with that.

so we have the mystery in there - which is what dispensationalists call the church age...right?

it's what some amillennialists call the Messianic Age - the age of salvation.

- is there an AGE after this?
- is it the Millennium?
- is that when Israel reigns from Jersualem in the Middle east?

how does it play out?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

okay.
so the mystery - which is not a mystery anymore - that the gentiles would be fellow heirs with ISRAEL in the promise falls between the 2 parts of Amos.

let's go with that. i'm fine with that.

so we have the mystery in there - which is what dispensationalists call the church age...right?

it's what some amillennialists call the Messianic Age - the age of salvation.

- is there an AGE after this?
- is it the Millennium?
- is that when Israel reigns from Jersualem in the Middle east?

how does it play out?

Actually the mystery is that there would be two comings.

The first coming was for the cross

the second coming was to set up his earthy kingdom as king messiah where he would rule the world with a rod of iron.

The mystery is that they would not happen at the same time.

the reason for the mystery was to fool satan (satan would not have done all he could to kill Christ, thus denying him the ability to fulfill his promise as reigning king and messiah, and saving mankind) if he knew there would be two comings, and the suffering servant, and the king messiah were one and the same.

In order to hide this mystery. God gave all kinds of prophesies which appear to speak of the same event, in the same time period. yet which are speaking of two different events and time periods. It is called a prophetic gap (everything in between these events are hidden or left out)

as for gentiles becoming fellow heirs with Christ, this was never a mystery, it was prophesied from the beginning.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

okay.

- is there an AGE after this?
- is it the Millennium?
- is that when Israel reigns from Jersualem in the Middle east?

how does it play out?

age following - mellinium, following the great tribulation and return of Christ. (putting an end to the time of the gentile)
Christ rules. Not Israel. not sure where you get this. no one said Israel would rule the world. they will just live in thier land, and Jesus will be their king.. and all nations of the world will worship him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

​E G do you believe that christ will come and rescue Israel when the anti Christ attacks them?

I believe scripture supports this.

the woman goes into the wilderness, and the beast is not able to touch her, so the beast goes after her offspring (the church) who obeys the commands of God.

Thats why Jesus told ALL in Judea to flee when they see the abomination.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

why do you skip over the Babylonian captivity and release? WHY?

because you think the nations means the United States and France?

Zone this is just crazy, If you do not desire to discuss this without outlandish accusation and attack. Why even bother.

Why do you continue to IGNORE WHAT GOD SAID WOULD HAPPEN ONCE THEY RETURN?

You can prove until your b;lue in the face some of the things MIGHT be able to be seen as fulfilled by the return from babylon.

But you still CAN NOT IGNORE THE REST.

I PROVED the rest did not take place. If the REST did not take place. then how can we say it was fulfilled?

 

[zone]

Galatians 4
Sons and Heirs
1I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave,a though he is the owner of everything, 2but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. 3In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principlesb of the world. 4But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.


did the fullness of time come already?
did people become heirs?
jews and gentiles?

what is left to inherit except eternal life?

Galatians 4
22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar.

25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.

26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.

 

[zone]

The return of babylon did not bring two nations together.

Matthew 15:24
He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."


Romans 15
8For I tell you that Christ became a servant to the circumcised to show God’s truthfulness, in order to confirm the promises given to the patriarchs, 9and in order that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy. As it is written,

“Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles,
and sing to your name.”

10And again it is said,

“Rejoice, O Gentiles, with his people.”

11And again,

“Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles,
and let all the peoples extol him.”

12And again Isaiah says,

“The root of Jesse will come,
even he who arises to rule the Gentiles;
in him will the Gentiles hope.”

13May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope.

 

[zone]

​E G do you believe that christ will come and rescue Israel when the anti Christ attacks them?

I believe scripture supports this.

the woman goes into the wilderness, and the beast is not able to touch her, so the beast goes after her offspring (the church) who obeys the commands of God.

Thats why Jesus told ALL in Judea to flee when they see the abomination.

so the future Antichrist is after the Jews?

why EG?

are Jewish people in Israel right now reading the warnings of Jesus about fleeing Judea?

Christians might be - but are Jews?

so you have The Antichrist whose main target is the Jews of today.

God gives the Israelis in The State of Israel a place in the wilderness (where?) so the Antichrist can't touch them.....so then he turns his attention to...Christians?

Christians in Judea or worldwide?

clearly you don't believe in the pretribulation rapture then.

in what way are Christians (the church) the offspring of people in the State of Israel, EG?

 

[Elin]

"....Dispensationalists see God as pursuing two distinct purposes throughout history, one related to an earthly goal and an earthly people (the Jews), the other to heavenly goals and a heavenly people (the church).Dispensationalists believe that in the Old Testament God promised the Jewish people an earthly kingdom ruled by Messiah ben David, and that when Christ came He offered this prophesied kingdom to the Jews. When the Jews of the time rejected Christ and the earthly kingdom, the promise was postponed, and the “mystery form” of the kingdom – the church – was established.

The church, according to dispensational doctrine, was unforeseen in the Old Testament and constitutes a “parenthesis” in God’s plan for Israel...."

Can you believe that the Church, which is

the called-out people of God going back to Abraham
(Ge 12:1, Gal 3:7-8, 16, 29; Ro 4:16, 11:16-17; Eph 3:6; 1Pe 2:9-10),

the one body of Christ and the singular vessel (Eph 1:22-23, 2:11-22, 3:6; 2Co 1:20;
Col 1:16-20; Rev 11:15; Mt 12:28; Lk 17:21; Heb 12:22; 1Pe 2:5, 9-10),
the one tree (Ro 11:17-24),
the one fold (Jn 10:16),
the true vine (Jn 15:5),
the new creation (Eph 2:10),

wherein God demonstrates the wisdom of his counsels, for the instructing of the angels
(Eph 3:10-11; cf 1Co 4:9, 11:10; 1Pe 1:12; 1Ti 5:21; Heb 12:22; Lk 15:7),

the New Jerusalem, the holy city; Mount Zion, the holy mountain (Heb 12:22),
the circumcision (Php 3:3),
the Israel of God (Gal 6:16, 3:29; Ro 4:11),
the chosen people, royal priesthood, holy nation (1Pe 2:9),
the seed of Abraham (Ro 4:11, Gal 3:29),

in whom God's eternal purpose from before the foundation of the world has been
to prepare her as a bride, without spot or blemish, to present her radiant to the Lamb, his
only-begotten Son (Eph 1:4-5; 5:25-32; Rev 19:7-8, 21:1-2, 9-14,

is called a parenthesis in God's plan?
It staggers one's spirit.

All of history and all of time are for this single purpose of God--to prepare a bride for his Son.
The OT revealed the plan in types and shadows (Ge 18:18; Ex 15:17; Ps 45:9-15, 48:1-14;
Isa 2:2-3, 11:9, 24:23, 25:6-10, 26:1-2, 42:6, 49:6, 55:3-5, 56:6-8, 60:1-22, 62:1-5,
65:1, 17-25, 66:20-24);
Christ secured the plan on the cross (Eph 5:23, 25; Tit 2:14);
and the NT reveals the plan in full (Ro 16:25-26; Eph 1:9-10, 3:3-6, 8-11, 5:32;
Col 1:26-28, 2:2-3; Rev 10:7, 11:15, 16:17, 21:6).

So that all those not called to that single purpose (Ro 8:28-30; Eph 1:9-11, 3:10-11;
Php 2:13; 2Ti 1:9); i.e., all those not included in the bride of the Lamb (a.k.a. the Church,
the body of Christ, Mount Zion, the holy mountain, the New Jerusalem, the holy city,
the kingdom of God, the new creation--Eph 2:10), are eternally lost "outsiders" (Rev 22:14-15;
cf Ro 11:32; 1Co 6:9-10; Eph 5:5, Gal 5:19-21).
because they are not part of that eternal plan secured by the sacrifice of the Lamb
(Eph 1:22-23, 5:23-32; Ac 4:12).

And which is why John Gerstner states the following:

“What is indisputably, absolutely, and uncompromisingly essential to the Christian religion is its doctrine of salvation… If Dispensationalism has actually departed from the only way of salvation which the Christian religion teaches, then we must say it has departed from Christianity. No matter how many other important truths it proclaims, it cannot be called Christian if it empties Christianity of its essential message. We define a cult as a religion which claims to be Christian while emptying Christianity of that which is essential to it. If Dispensationalism does this, then Dispensationalism is a cult and not a branch of the Christian church. It is as serious as that. It is impossible to exaggerate the gravity of the situation.”

- John H. Gerstner Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism

Dispensationalism teaches a salvation outside the bride of the Lamb, which is the singular body of Christ
in the one enfleshment of marriage (Ge 2:24, Eph 5:31-32).

Whereas, the revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2), through the
NT writers, presents God as having only one purpose in history (Eph 1:8-11),
and that purpose is his church, the bride of the Lamb, which is the body of his Christ,
the goal of all his counsels (Ro 8:30, 9:22-24; cf Ex 12:36; Dt 4:37-38; 1Chr 17:12-14;
Pr 13:22, 21:18; Isa 43:3-4; Rev 21:6)
the showcase of his wisdom (Eph 3:10-11)
and the crown jewel of his new creation (Rev 21:1, 11, 18-21).

It alone is the true Temple (Eph 2:19-22) and the singular residence of his glory (Rev 21:22-23).
In the light of the revelation spoken by the Son through the NT writers (Heb 1:1-2), we see that
the prophetic types:

the promised land (Ge 17:8, 48:4),
the kingdom (2Sa 7:16; Isa 9:7),
Mount Zion, the holy mountain (Ps 68:16; Isa 2:2, 24:23),
Jerusalem, the Holy City (Jer 3:16-18; Rev 21),
the bride (Eze 16:32; Isa 62:5; Jer 3:6-20),
the Temple (Eze 40-44; Zec 6:12-13),
the priesthood (Isa 61:1-7, 66:19-21), etc.

just as the prophecy of Amos 9:11-12 (Ac 15:13-18),
have their fulfillment and completion in Christ, and in his body, the Church,

either in time on earth, in eternity in the new creation (2Pe 3:13), or both,
for the Church is that new creation both of time (2Co 4:16, 5:17; Gal 6:15)
and eternity (Rev 21:1, 4-8), which is the restoring (renewal) of the original creation
(Ge 1:27 w/ Col 3:10, Eph 4:24, Tit 3:5;
Ge 1:28 w/ Mt 17:11, 19:28, 1Co 6:23;
Ge 2:24 w/ Mt 19:8-9;
Ro 8:19-23 w/ 2Pe 3:12-13).

It is in the light of the revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2)
through the NT writers, that we see the marvelous unity of the divine plan (Eph 4:4-6),
as well as of the Bible,

and we see that Biblical restoration is the restoration of the original creation in the new
creation (Ac 3:21; Eph 1:9-10), and not the restoration of Israel, which was fulfilled in
their return from Babylon under Ezra and Nehemiah, and which is a type of the
restoration of all creation in Christ.

The fulfillment of the ages is in the church (1Co 10:11), not in a future restoration of Israel.

 

[Angela53510]

Sometimes I have to wonder if people just pull OT scriptures out of context and then make up these doctrines, without looking at the narratives and prophets to see the history of Israel, and the prophecies concerning the Messiah.

I've been reading through the prophets, I am in Ezekiel right now. I am also in a Bible study and we are just working on Ezra. It is so obvious that God prophesied the Babylon captivity over and over in the prophets. And that Daniel realized that the 70 years were over, and Ezra and Nehemiah went back to Jerusalem and rebuilt the temple with much opposition from the Samaritans.

Which brings us to this myth that God will restore the northern Kingdom (Israel) and the southern Kingdom (Judah) at some future time. When the Assyrians took the Israelites into captivity in 722 BC, they literally scattered the 10 tribes. They have no lineage or geneologies. They intermarried and became a lost people. That was the plan and purpose of the Assyrians. And the northern Kingdom of Israel was never ruled by a descendent of David. When Rehoboam put too heavy a weight on the people, Jeroboam, who was only a servant of Solomon rebelled and took the northern tribes crowned him king.

"Jeroboam the son of Nebat, an Ephraimite of Zeredah, a servant of Solomon, whose mother's name was Zeruah, a widow, also lifted up his hand against the king." 1 Kings 11:26

"Solomon sought therefore to kill Jeroboam. But Jeroboam arose and fled into Egypt, to Shishak king of Egypt, and was in Egypt until the death of Solomon." 1 Kings 11:40

"And when all Israel heard that Jeroboam had returned, they sent and called him to the assembly and made him king over all Israel. There was none that followed the house of David but the tribe of Judah only." 1 Kings 12:20

So the son of Nebat started Israel, complete with two golden altars to worship at in the north and the south, to keep the people from going to Jerusalem to worship. The history of Israel from that point is one of rebellion, apostasy and failed dynasties. And of course, prophets like Hosea warned Israel, but the people were utterly corrupt.

So the return to "Israel" that was prophesied was actually the end of the Babylon captivity, when only the descendants of Judah, were returned. There are no Israelites and never will be again. Of course, if you are talking about the land, recent history will confirm that the land promised to Abraham actually went from Egypt to the Euphrates is NEVER going to be occupied. (Think Syria and Iraq, to say nothing of Egypt!)

"On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your offspring I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates," Gen. 15:18

So much Biblical error from the Dispensationalist. I won't even bring up the Greek on that imaginary rapture. Please read the whole Old Testament, preferably chronologically, and I pray you will begin to see how unscriptural this Dispensationalism is.

http://www.esv.org/assets/pdfs/rp.chronological.pdf

And Sarah, super kudos to you on the history posts! It is always exciting to read new information concerning the history of Bible times.

 

[Elin]

Well of course. Amos 9: 11-12 speaks of one day.

but lets not forget the days of vs 13-15
[SUP]
13 [/SUP]“Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord,
“When the plowman shall overtake the reaper,
And the treader of grapes him who sows seed;
The mountains shall drip with sweet wine,
And all the hills shall flow with it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I will bring back the captives of My people Israel;
They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them;
They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them;
They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]I will plant them in their land,
And no longer shall they be pulled upFrom the land I have given them,”
Says the Lord your God.

we certainly can not say this has happened yet. or that the church has fulfilled this aspect of the prophesy now can we??

Agreed.

It was fulfilled in the return from exile in Babylon under Ezra and Nehemiah where the walls and the Temple were rebuilt, and the people were rededicated to God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Agreed.

It was fulfilled in the return from exile in Babylon under Ezra and Nehemiah where the walls and the Temple were rebuilt, and the people were rededicated to God.

Ageed?

So your saying this happened?

[SUP]15 [/SUP]I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them,”
Says the Lord your God.

So 70 AD was just a dream? It never really happened and Israel is still planted in her land? Or did you mean disagree. because they were "pulled from their land" by the roman army in 70 AD? thus it could not have been fulfilled yet?

 

[zone]

[SUP]22 [/SUP]and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again

This certainly did not happen

3. One king was never given to them.

see....this is what i do not understand.

i just don't.

One King was never given to them?


Isaiah 62:11
The LORD has made proclamation to the ends of the earth: "Say to Daughter Zion, 'See, your Savior comes! See, his reward is with him, and his recompense accompanies him.'"

Zechariah 9:9
Rejoice greatly, Daughter Zion! Shout, Daughter Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and victorious, lowly and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.

Matthew 21:5
“Say to the daughter of Zion, ‘Behold, your king is coming to you, humble, and mounted on a donkey, and on a colt, the foal of a beast of burden.’”

John 1:49
Then Nathanael declared, "Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the king of Israel."

Luke 24
26"Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory?" 27Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.

...

Ezekiel 34
2therefore, I will deliver My flock, and they will no longer be a prey; and I will judge between one sheep and another. 23"Then I will set over them one shepherd, My servant David, and he will feed them; he will feed them himself and be their shepherd. 24"And I, the LORD, will be their God, and My servant David will be prince among them; I the LORD have spoken.

John 10:11
"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

John 10:16
I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

​E G do you believe that christ will come and rescue Israel when the anti Christ attacks them?



so the future Antichrist is after the Jews?

He is after God. And he wants to keep God from fulfilling his covenant. And he also knows God has a special place in his heart for them. because of the promises he made to the fathers, which is why they are our enemy, but still beloved.

He has been after the jews since they were first formed. Or have you completely forgotten this?

why EG?

Why? Why does he go after anyone?

are Jewish people in Israel right now reading the warnings of Jesus about fleeing Judea?

What does that have to do with anything?

Christians might be - but are Jews?

so you have The Antichrist whose main target is the Jews of today.

Oh. Are we in the aspects of rev 12 today? The beast has taken power. and starting his worldwide conquest? I did not know this.

God gives the Israelis in The State of Israel a place in the wilderness (where?) so the Antichrist can't touch them.....so then he turns his attention to...Christians?

How else would you interpret it?

God protects christians. so then he goes after Christians? ok...................

Christians in Judea or worldwide?

Ask God. he knows where they are, and who they are

clearly you don't believe in the pretribulation rapture then.

in what way are Christians (the church) the offspring of people in the State of Israel, EG?

Have no clue what your talking about. Christians are worldwide. Many will be martyred by the beast. John saw many of them.. Not sure where you get "in the state of Israel" from

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Matthew 15:24
He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."


Romans 15
8For I tell you that Christ became a servant to the circumcised to show God’s truthfulness, in order to confirm the promises given to the patriarchs, 9and in order that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy. As it is written,

“Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles,
and sing to your name.”

10And again it is said,

“Rejoice, O Gentiles, with his people.”

11And again,

“Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles,
and let all the peoples extol him.”

12And again Isaiah says,

“The root of Jesse will come,
even he who arises to rule the Gentiles;
in him will the Gentiles hope.”

13May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope.

How does passages which talk about Gentiles coming to God prove God has restored the northern and southern kingdoms of Israel together?

Sometimes I wonder abou you Zone

The OT Prophesied the gentiles would come into Gods kingdom. These prophesies had NOTHING to do with God bringing israel together after they were dispersed

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Dispensationalism teaches a salvation outside the bride of the Lamb, which is the singular body of Christ
in the one enfleshment of marriage (Ge 2:24, Eph 5:31-32).

lol. SHow me ONE PLACE where I have EVER said that salvation is outside the bride.

come on. You made an accusation against me and my belief, PROVE IT!

Or prove you have just made a false accusation against me, My belief, and the many people who believe as me!

 

[Elin]

Actually the mystery is that there would be two comings.The first coming was for the cross

the second coming was to set up his earthy kingdom as king messiah where he would
rule the world with a rod of iron.

Not according to the NT word of God spoken by the Son (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.

As man is destined once to die and then the judgment,

so Christ comes once to die and once to judge (Heb 9:27), and not in between.

The second coming of Christ is to judge all mankind, not rule the world with an iron rod.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

see....this is what i do not understand.

i just don't.

One King was never given to them?


Isaiah 62:11
The LORD has made proclamation to the ends of the earth: "Say to Daughter Zion, 'See, your Savior comes! See, his reward is with him, and his recompense accompanies him.'"

Zechariah 9:9
Rejoice greatly, Daughter Zion! Shout, Daughter Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and victorious, lowly and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.

Matthew 21:5
“Say to the daughter of Zion, ‘Behold, your king is coming to you, humble, and mounted on a donkey, and on a colt, the foal of a beast of burden.’”

John 1:49
Then Nathanael declared, "Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the king of Israel."

Luke 24
26"Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory?" 27Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.

...

Ezekiel 34
2therefore, I will deliver My flock, and they will no longer be a prey; and I will judge between one sheep and another. 23"Then I will set over them one shepherd, My servant David, and he will feed them; he will feed them himself and be their shepherd. 24"And I, the LORD, will be their God, and My servant David will be prince among them; I the LORD have spoken.

John 10:11
"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

John 10:16
I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

so where Is jesus ruling Isreal in jerusalem today?? as a matter of fact. Where is Israel? Since God said when he restored them, "they would never be taken away again"?

 

[zone]

Can you believe that the Church, which is

the called-out people of God going back to Abraham
(Ge 12:1, Gal 3:7-8, 16, 29; Ro 4:16, 11:16-17; Eph 3:6; 1Pe 2:9-10),

the one body of Christ and the singular vessel (Eph 1:22-23, 2:11-22, 3:6; 2Co 1:20;
Col 1:16-20; Rev 11:15; Mt 12:28; Lk 17:21; Heb 12:22; 1Pe 2:5, 9-10),
the one tree (Ro 11:17-24),
the one fold (Jn 10:16),
the true vine (Jn 15:5),
the new creation (Eph 2:10),

wherein God demonstrates the wisdom of his counsels, for the instructing of the angels
(Eph 3:10-11; cf 1Co 4:9, 11:10; 1Pe 1:12; 1Ti 5:21; Heb 12:22; Lk 15:7),

the New Jerusalem, the holy city; Mount Zion, the holy mountain (Heb 12:22),
the circumcision (Php 3:3),
the Israel of God (Gal 6:16, 3:29; Ro 4:11),
the chosen people, royal priesthood, holy nation (1Pe 2:9),
the seed of Abraham (Ro 4:11, Gal 3:29),

in whom God's eternal purpose from before the foundation of the world has been
to prepare her as a bride, without spot or blemish, to present her radiant to the Lamb, his
only-begotten Son (Eph 1:4-5; 5:25-32; Rev 19:7-8, 21:1-2, 9-14,

is called a parenthesis in God's plan?
It staggers one's spirit.

All of history and all of time are for this single purpose of God--to prepare a bride for his Son.
The OT revealed the plan in types and shadows (Ge 18:18; Ex 15:17; Ps 45:9-15, 48:1-14;
Isa 2:2-3, 11:9, 24:23, 25:6-10, 26:1-2, 42:6, 49:6, 55:3-5, 56:6-8, 60:1-22, 62:1-5,
65:1, 17-25, 66:20-24);
Christ secured the plan on the cross (Eph 5:23, 25; Tit 2:14);
and the NT reveals the plan in full (Ro 16:25-26; Eph 1:9-10, 3:3-6, 8-11, 5:32;
Col 1:26-28, 2:2-3; Rev 10:7, 11:15, 16:17, 21:6).

So that all those not called to that single purpose (Ro 8:28-30; Eph 1:9-11, 3:10-11;
Php 2:13; 2Ti 1:9); i.e., all those not included in the bride of the Lamb (a.k.a. the Church,
the body of Christ, Mount Zion, the holy mountain, the New Jerusalem, the holy city,
the kingdom of God, the new creation--Eph 2:10), are eternally lost "outsiders" (Rev 22:14-15;
cf Ro 11:32; 1Co 6:9-10; Eph 5:5, Gal 5:19-21).
because they are not part of that eternal plan secured by the sacrifice of the Lamb
(Eph 1:22-23, 5:23-32; Ac 4:12).

And which is why John Gerstner states the following:



Dispensationalism teaches a salvation outside the bride of the Lamb, which is the singular body of Christ
in the one enfleshment of marriage (Ge 2:24, Eph 5:31-32).

Whereas, the revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2), through the
NT writers, presents God as having only one purpose in history (Eph 1:8-11),
and that purpose is his church, the bride of the Lamb, which is the body of his Christ,
the goal of all his counsels (Ro 8:30, 9:22-24; cf Ex 12:36; Dt 4:37-38; 1Chr 17:12-14;
Pr 13:22, 21:18; Isa 43:3-4; Rev 21:6)
the showcase of his wisdom (Eph 3:10-11)
and the crown jewel of his new creation (Rev 21:1, 11, 18-21).

It alone is the true Temple (Eph 2:19-22) and the singular residence of his glory (Rev 21:22-23).
In the light of the revelation spoken by the Son through the NT writers (Heb 1:1-2), we see that
the prophetic types:

the promised land (Ge 17:8, 48:4),
the kingdom (2Sa 7:16; Isa 9:7),
Mount Zion, the holy mountain (Ps 68:16; Isa 2:2, 24:23),
Jerusalem, the Holy City (Jer 3:16-18; Rev 21),
the bride (Eze 16:32; Isa 62:5; Jer 3:6-20),
the Temple (Eze 40-44; Zec 6:12-13),
the priesthood (Isa 61:1-7, 66:19-21), etc.

just as the prophecy of Amos 9:11-12 (Ac 15:13-18),
have their fulfillment and completion in Christ, and in his body, the Church,

either in time on earth, in eternity in the new creation (2Pe 3:13), or both,
for the Church is that new creation both of time (2Co 4:16, 5:17; Gal 6:15)
and eternity (Rev 21:1, 4-8), which is the restoring (renewal) of the original creation
(Ge 1:27 w/ Col 3:10, Eph 4:24, Tit 3:5;
Ge 1:28 w/ Mt 17:11, 19:28, 1Co 6:23;
Ge 2:24 w/ Mt 19:8-9;
Ro 8:19-23 w/ 2Pe 3:12-13).

It is in the light of the revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2)
through the NT writers, that we see the marvelous unity of the divine plan (Eph 4:4-6),
as well as of the Bible,

and we see that Biblical restoration is the restoration of the original creation in the new
creation (Ac 3:21; Eph 1:9-10), and not the restoration of Israel, which was fulfilled in
their return from Babylon under Ezra and Nehemiah, and which is a type of the
restoration of all creation in Christ.

The fulfillment of the ages is in the church (1Co 10:11), not in a future restoration of Israel.

AMAZING!

GLORY!

 

[PeteWaldo]

so where Is jesus ruling Isreal in jerusalem today?? as a matter of fact. Where is Israel? Since God said when he restored them, "they would never be taken away again"?

Jesus has ruled and reigned in His kingdom ever since He ushered it in nearly 2,000 years ago:

Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

If you aren't already in His kingdom that's a shame. If Jesus doesn't rule in your life that's a bigger shame.
I'll remain humbly honored as my brother John's companion in the kingdom of Jesus Christ:

Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.