Distinctives of Dispensationalism
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Sorry Chosen,
Not possible that John wrote Revelation much after 64 AD. Laodicea was destroyed by one earthquake in about 60 AD. The residents rebuilt the city without any help from Rome so much so they refuse to except help from Rome to rebuild the city. (They paid for it themselves)
Revelation 3
14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. 15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.
The city was then again destroyed by another earthquake in 66 AD and was NOT rebuilt till sometime after 121 AD. The man who rebuilt the city was Marcus Arelius who wasn't born till 121 AD. The city was gone after 66 AD and not rebuilt till about 140 AD.
Not possible that John wrote Revelation much after 64 AD. Laodicea was destroyed by one earthquake in about 60 AD. The residents rebuilt the city without any help from Rome so much so they refuse to except help from Rome to rebuild the city. (They paid for it themselves)
Revelation 3
14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. 15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.
The city was then again destroyed by another earthquake in 66 AD and was NOT rebuilt till sometime after 121 AD. The man who rebuilt the city was Marcus Arelius who wasn't born till 121 AD. The city was gone after 66 AD and not rebuilt till about 140 AD.
No, the time of Jacob's trouble happens in the future where the antichrist reveales himself in the temple of God (2 Thess. 2:3-4).
IN the time of Jacob's trouble, the mark of the beast will also be available. The mark of the beast was not available around 70A.D. Nor was the antichrist around in 70A.D.
The spirit of antichrist was. But not the antichrist himself.
What I am asking for is for you to show me where the Bible says there must a third temple built by humans you all keep saying it by SUBJECTIVE interpretation. I am asking for you to show me the scriptures that say there will be one. Either they are there or they are not so which is it? All I am asking is for you to show me where it is in the Bible either you can or you can not.
(I was on the other side of this EG at one time but there seems to be way too many issues with that basis of interpretation)
(I was on the other side of this EG at one time but there seems to be way too many issues with that basis of interpretation)
Where does the Bible even says a third temple will be built? The Bible talks of two but three? 
[/QUOTEy The scripture speaks of in the new covenant that our bodies will be the temple of the Holy Spirit. And Rev 21 :3 Behold the tabernacle of God is with men and he shall dwell with them.
[/QUOTEy The scripture speaks of in the new covenant that our bodies will be the temple of the Holy Spirit. And Rev 21 :3 Behold the tabernacle of God is with men and he shall dwell with them.
Well Sarah, even if what you claim is true. It still does not take away from the context of Revelation 11.
So again, your argument goes against the obvious in Scripture.
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. - Revelation 3:14-18 (King James Bible)
Okay, again Sarah, let's say that you might be right about the city being rebuilt in 121 AD. That still doesn't change the fact that John in his vision sees a temple being measure in the time of Jacob's trouble (the tribulation).
zone said:
Herod's Temple is the very one Jesus pointed at and said it would all be torn down.
which is why 70AD happened a long time ago....like in 70AD.
which was also the time of Jacob's trouble < Jewish Romans wars.
which is what Daniel 9 (10; 11 & 12) is about.
long time ago.
Chosen:
WAS - Herod's Temple......the very one Jesus pointed at and said it would all be torn down.?
let's just answer that one question.
was it that Temple He was talking about?
Mark 13
1As He was going out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, "Teacher, behold what wonderful stones and what wonderful buildings!" 2And Jesus said to him, "Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone will be left upon another which will not be torn down."
Herod's Temple is the very one Jesus pointed at and said it would all be torn down.
which is why 70AD happened a long time ago....like in 70AD.
which was also the time of Jacob's trouble < Jewish Romans wars.
which is what Daniel 9 (10; 11 & 12) is about.
long time ago.
Chosen:
WAS - Herod's Temple......the very one Jesus pointed at and said it would all be torn down.?
let's just answer that one question.
was it that Temple He was talking about?
Mark 13
1As He was going out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, "Teacher, behold what wonderful stones and what wonderful buildings!" 2And Jesus said to him, "Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone will be left upon another which will not be torn down."
Multiple on the first earthquake which is recorded by Tacitus in Annals XIV,27
The town grew to wealth and prominence during the period of Rom. supremacy, when it was a way station for the extensive shipments by which Rome exploited Syria-Pal. The Romans continued the city’s character as both a military outpost and a trade center after 133 b.c. Tacitus records the fact that a serious earthquake struck Laodicea in a.d. 60 but that the city was rebuilt by the private wealth of her citizens, “propriis opibus revaluit” (Tacitus Annals XIV, 27). An additional source of its wealth came from the wool of its famous black sheep, which was carded and woven in the locality, and its production of a poultice, Gr.τέφραφρυγία, widely sought for treatment of eye ailments. In the environs were also the temples of the ancient deities, chiefly at Attuda where the shrine of Men-of-the-Carians was located. According to Josephus, Antiochus the Great (III) settled 2,000 Jewish families in Phrygia and Lydia after deporting them from Babylon (Jos. Antiq. XII. 147-149). No doubt the rising economic position and business endeavors of the region caused the Jews to thrive. Two references to the Jews of Laodicea during the 1st cent. b.c. have survived. In his defense of Flaccus, Cicero mentions that the Jews of Asia Minor were forbidden to send money to Jerusalem (pro Flacco, 28.) and Josephus records that the Jews were guaranteed freedom of worship by the city magistrates (Jos. Antiq. XIV. 241). It was this wealth and independence which is the background of the remark recorded in Revelation 3:17ff. Laodicea was widely known as a banking center and the business of money changing (Gr. κολλυβίστης) prospered. Laodicea minted its own coins several centuries before the Christian era, expressing upon them the attributions and inscrs. of the ancient gods.
https://www.biblicaltraining.org/library/laodicea-laodiceans
I will post more about the second as it was recorded was rebuilt by marcus in the mid 2nd century. (Going out to get dinner)
The town grew to wealth and prominence during the period of Rom. supremacy, when it was a way station for the extensive shipments by which Rome exploited Syria-Pal. The Romans continued the city’s character as both a military outpost and a trade center after 133 b.c. Tacitus records the fact that a serious earthquake struck Laodicea in a.d. 60 but that the city was rebuilt by the private wealth of her citizens, “propriis opibus revaluit” (Tacitus Annals XIV, 27). An additional source of its wealth came from the wool of its famous black sheep, which was carded and woven in the locality, and its production of a poultice, Gr.τέφραφρυγία, widely sought for treatment of eye ailments. In the environs were also the temples of the ancient deities, chiefly at Attuda where the shrine of Men-of-the-Carians was located. According to Josephus, Antiochus the Great (III) settled 2,000 Jewish families in Phrygia and Lydia after deporting them from Babylon (Jos. Antiq. XII. 147-149). No doubt the rising economic position and business endeavors of the region caused the Jews to thrive. Two references to the Jews of Laodicea during the 1st cent. b.c. have survived. In his defense of Flaccus, Cicero mentions that the Jews of Asia Minor were forbidden to send money to Jerusalem (pro Flacco, 28.) and Josephus records that the Jews were guaranteed freedom of worship by the city magistrates (Jos. Antiq. XIV. 241). It was this wealth and independence which is the background of the remark recorded in Revelation 3:17ff. Laodicea was widely known as a banking center and the business of money changing (Gr. κολλυβίστης) prospered. Laodicea minted its own coins several centuries before the Christian era, expressing upon them the attributions and inscrs. of the ancient gods.
https://www.biblicaltraining.org/library/laodicea-laodiceans
I will post more about the second as it was recorded was rebuilt by marcus in the mid 2nd century. (Going out to get dinner)
Chosen, is 490 years 490 years?
or is it some other number of years because of a prophetic clock stopping?
is there any place in Daniel 9 you can point me to that shows the clock stops at week 69?
i don't want your opinion. and no other proof texts need be brought over.
just Daniel 9 for now.
where does it say the clock stops for over 2000 years?
or is it some other number of years because of a prophetic clock stopping?
is there any place in Daniel 9 you can point me to that shows the clock stops at week 69?
i don't want your opinion. and no other proof texts need be brought over.
just Daniel 9 for now.
where does it say the clock stops for over 2000 years?
Jacob's trouble is in the past Chosen.
Daniel saw it....John saw it too, but differently.
can we go to Daniel for this?
i have it open.
we can start anywhere.
Daniel saw it....John saw it too, but differently.
can we go to Daniel for this?
i have it open.
we can start anywhere.
The time of Jacob's trouble is in the future Zone. Not the past. Read Matthew 24, Mark 13, Dan. 9, Rev. 4-19, and Jer. 30.
Again, the antichrist (the beast, the man of sin) has not yet arrived. But he will in the time of Jacob's trouble.
awesome!
you know, i have been going over and over through Daniel - matching every detail to history...trying to - God is AMAZINGLY PRECISE and i have to dig hard to catch up...having just skipped it all over previously.
tsk - O HISTORY why i didn't study you harder!
(i thought antony and cleopatra were hollywoody - like way back in moses' day - charlton hestonish ahem...)
but - i think we might have a good system going here sarah...you got da dates! (i'm awful at dates - 1792 Columbus Island of Blue-type-thing)
enjoy your dinner!
God Bless.
Kath
you know, i have been going over and over through Daniel - matching every detail to history...trying to - God is AMAZINGLY PRECISE and i have to dig hard to catch up
...having just skipped it all over previously.tsk - O HISTORY why i didn't study you harder!
(i thought antony and cleopatra were hollywoody - like way back in moses' day - charlton hestonish ahem...
)but - i think we might have a good system going here sarah...you got da dates! (i'm awful at dates - 1792 Columbus Island of Blue-type-thing)
enjoy your dinner!
God Bless.
Kath
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