Do Animals Enter Condemnation or Paradise?

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John146

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Please excuse me for asking, but aren't you a KJ onlyist?

Where in the Bible does it say anything about the KJB???

No, clearly you base some of your beliefs on speculation and feelings.
I can’t get past the ecclesiastes passage and the fact the Lord gives His blessing to eat animals. Every ant I step on sends it to heaven. Every hamburger eaten is sending the cow in heaven. It’s actually kind of cruel to think we can eat something that will later be in heaven.
 

Magenta

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I can’t get past the ecclesiastes passage and the fact the Lord gives His blessing to eat animals. Every ant I step on sends it to heaven. Every hamburger eaten is sending the cow in heaven. It’s actually kind of cruel to think we can eat something that will later be in heaven.
Cruel, really? Sounds like you have feelings about that.

Whereas, God's Word clearly gives man much liberty to eat animals.

So once again you are contradicting yourself.
 

de-emerald

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@de-emerald

please forgive me for having a little knowledge and understanding of scripture and sharing it with others
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it's become a habit!
No theres nothing to be forgiven i have you all wrong please forgive me. @Magenta sorry for upsetting your friend and you and others.

This is a verry sencitive matter to me i can not stand to talk about who goes to hell. For many personal reasons. deeply upsetting ones too. I do understand people being worried about who goes to hell. I know the lord takes no pleasure in punishing the wicked and asks us to help those caught in sin. and i just cant imagine anybody burning in hell for all eternity for that reason,

As for pets i just couldnt imagine a harmless pet being in the hell fire for all eternity.
What where talking about is a living soul being burned alive, the worst possible death for all eternity, a harmless pet living in despair for ever. Because i take it thats what animals the op is talking about, being an animal lover my self, and seeing the effect that abuse has on animals, i really do think Dogs cats have just as much feelings as humans do.

My golden hamster died in my hand two months ago i saw it took its last breath, in my hands, and i saw a jasper light leave its body in prayer. my whole hands lit up jasper whilst i was praying. The scriptures are clear all natural bodies have a spiritual body. the spiritual body is born when the physical body dies, This is what Jesus ment when a seed is planted it dies a death and becomes a physical body. the first death. when the physical body dies the spiritual body is born the second death.

All creatures great and small man, peace be with you all, when a maggot dies it becomes a fly, some beautiful flys around too esecially gold bottles lol. when a catterpillar dies it becomes a butterfly,

A Human seed is the sperm and the embryo. two seeds die and become the physical body a human. the first death and the first life. when the physical body dies the spiritual body is born, the second life and death.

The soul that sins in this world is the devil because his soul wonders around. How can a human soul sin in the body, ? the human spirit isnt free untill the physical body dies. and when the physical body dies, the bible is clear we go somewhere.
 

John146

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Cruel, really? Sounds like you have feelings about that.

Whereas, God's Word clearly gives man much liberty to eat animals.

So once again you are contradicting yourself.
You missed my point, no contradiction. God has given all creatures for us to eat. Jesus even ate meat. And you’re saying these creatures we eat go to heaven. Something doesn’t add up.
 

Magenta

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You missed my point, no contradiction. God has given all creatures for us to eat. Jesus even ate meat. And you’re saying these creatures we eat go to heaven. Something doesn’t add up.
How does it not add up? Does it "add up" in your speculative feelings' driven fashion
for animals to have so cruelly suffered such a fate because of what Adam did?


Does it "add up" that someone who may have eaten humans can also go to heaven?

And that the humans eaten may also be there???
 

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I can’t get past the ecclesiastes passage and the fact the Lord gives His blessing to eat animals. Every ant I step on sends it to heaven. Every hamburger eaten is sending the cow in heaven. It’s actually kind of cruel to think we can eat something that will later be in heaven.
looks like a vegan conversion to me :)
 

Gideon300

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Well? Do animals get thrown into the lake of fire, or..?
Why do they die at all? Do they die the second death, and why/why not?
Do animals sin?



Please indicate how answers are justified through scripture, and thanks =]
Romans 8:19-21 says it all: "The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.… "

"The creation" in this context is every creature apart from mankind. Every creature was put under the authority of Adam He disobeyed God and so gave his allegiance to Satan. That put the creation under Satan's rule. Satan is the destroyer and creation suffers under Satan's rule.

So no, there is no judgement for animals. God will restore all things to the glorious place that Adam should have had. That's something to be glad about.
 

Gideon300

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I don't think animals go to heaven or hell. Seems to me that they just cease to exist when they die. That's just my opinion, though.



Not sure exactly why they die, but if they didn't then the world would have already been overrun with them. I don't think they have the capability of sinning because they do not understand sin or laws.

I'm not sure if any animals had died before the sin of Adam and Eve, however, it is a widely held belief that God committed the first animal sacrifice to give Adam and Eve clothing of animal skin after their sin.

Then later, Abel killed and offered a sheep to God for a sacrifice. This was accepted by God. It was not considered murder.

Cain got jealous and killed Abel and was labeled a murderer.

So it seems that animal life is not held in the same esteem as human life.
Romans 8:19-21 gives you the answer
 

Poinsetta

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Romans 8:19-21 says it all: "The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.… "

"The creation" in this context is every creature apart from mankind. Every creature was put under the authority of Adam He disobeyed God and so gave his allegiance to Satan. That put the creation under Satan's rule. Satan is the destroyer and creation suffers under Satan's rule.

So no, there is no judgement for animals. God will restore all things to the glorious place that Adam should have had. That's something to be glad about.
the serpent was def judged
 

Gideon300

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No. Animals enter neither Paradise nor the Lake of Fire. they simply cease to exist after death.
Romans 8:19-21 states that creation will be set free from bondage to decay. Animals operate on the principle of instinct, but they are still created by God. Also,

“I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you and with every living creature that was with you — the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you — every living creature on earth” (Genesis 9:9-10).
 

John146

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Does it "add up" that someone who may have eaten humans can also go to heaven?

And that the humans eaten may also be there???
Eating man is forbidden by God. Eating animals is not. Why? Because animals cease to exist when dead.
 

Gideon300

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Well? Do animals get thrown into the lake of fire, or..?
Why do they die at all? Do they die the second death, and why/why not?
Do animals sin?



Please indicate how answers are justified through scripture, and thanks =]
Death came in because of Adam's sin - 1 Corinthians 15. It's worth reading from verse 12 to the end of the chapter.
 

de-emerald

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Romans 8:19-21 gives you the answer
Your saying then pets dont hear Gods word, Ok what about Guide Dogs who lead the blind, where does that gift come from. or how do thousands of fish gather in one place after Jesus said throw your net out on the right side of the boat where you will catch fish. You say animals dont hear Gods word, How did the raven feed elijah.
How did the lions leave daniel alone in the lions den ?.
How did a swarm of locusts desend on Egypt after God commanded it ?.

Do you need any more proof ?
 

Magenta

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Eating man is forbidden by God. Eating animals is not. Why? Because animals cease to exist when dead.
Non sequitur. You are making stuff up and contradicting what you earlier claimed about yourself.

Plus, eating certain animals definitely was forbidden.
 

Gideon300

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Eating man is forbidden by God. Eating animals is not. Why? Because animals cease to exist when dead.
I'm not so sure. It is forbidden to eat the blood of the animal because "The life is in the blood". God is emphatic. He instructed Noah, Genesis 9 and it is stated twice in Leviticus 17. The blood of an animal could be used as an atonement but for sure not for food. That says to me that animals are also precious to God. The animal kingdom is also included in the covenant that God made with Noah.
 

de-emerald

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I'm not so sure. It is forbidden to eat the blood of the animal because "The life is in the blood". God is emphatic. He instructed Noah, Genesis 9 and it is stated twice in Leviticus 17. The blood of an animal could be used as an atonement but for sure not for food. That says to me that animals are also precious to God. The animal kingdom is also included in the covenant that God made with Noah.
yup exactly great point. :)
 

Magenta

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What?🤦‍♂️
That you only go by what is written. Shown to be false on multiple fronts already.

You can believe animals have no afterlife all you want, but it is certainly not written.

Believing it just makes your other statements make you look oblivious to your own self.