Do animals have eternal life?

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blue_ladybug

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Hello Blue_ladybug,

Just curious, where did you read that lions and lambs will be in heaven? The only animal that scripture mentions as being in heaven are horses, as demonstrated in Rev.19:14. The only place that mentions Lions, lambs, leopards, bears, etc., is in Isaiah referring to the millennial period.

The verse that says (and I'm paraphrasing) the lion will lie down with the lamb and they shall live in harmony. :) That suggests to me that they will be at peace with one another, instead of the lion trying to kill and eat the lamb.. It also tells me that is the way God ORIGINALLY intended animals to be, friends instead of enemies/predators. :)
 
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Ecclesiastes 3:21, "Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?"

When an animal dies, its' spirit returns to the earth. Man's spirit returns to the one who gave it life. If animals have eternal souls, why would we kill them? Why swat the mosquito or step on ants? Wouldn't that be murder? Why would the Bible say it's ok to eat animals if they have eternal souls? When did God ordain that we should have pets and get so emotionally attached?
God loves people and animals alike therefore I stand firm declaring God blesses animals with eternal life.
 

blue_ladybug

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God loves people and animals alike therefore I stand firm declaring God blesses animals with eternal life.
This just earned you a rep, and for post #122 also. :)
 

valiant

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God loves people and animals alike therefore I stand firm declaring God blesses animals with eternal life.
Scripture that SAYS it? Not man's philosophy
 
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Ecclesiastes 3:21, "Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?"

When an animal dies, its' spirit returns to the earth. Man's spirit returns to the one who gave it life. If animals have eternal souls, why would we kill them? Why swat the mosquito or step on ants? Wouldn't that be murder? Why would the Bible say it's ok to eat animals if they have eternal souls? When did God ordain that we should have pets and get so emotionally attached?
I believe the answer to your last question is because God gave Adam the job of naming the animals then He sat back and watched in delight to see what Adam would do. I'm sure Adam became attached to more than a few animals during this process
 

valiant

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I believe the answer to your last question is because God gave Adam the job of naming the animals then He sat back and watched in delight to see what Adam would do. I'm sure Adam became attached to more than a few animals during this process
lol more Roman Catholic nonsense.

His naming of them indicated his authority over them
 
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lol more Roman Catholic nonsense.

His naming of them indicated his authority over them
LOL I'm sorry, I didn't know reading was a challenge for you. This is my belief not a church teaching.
 

trofimus

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For people saying there were no pets mentioned in Bible:

"There were two men in a certain town, one rich and the other poor. 2 The rich man had a very large number of sheep and cattle, 3 but the poor man had nothing except one little ewe lamb he had bought. He raised it, and it grew up with him and his children. It shared his food, drank from his cup and even slept in his arms. It was like a daughter to him."

2 Sam 12:1-4

And we know this sheep was killed by another man in this image.

Emotional reaction of king David:

David burned with anger against the man and said to Nathan, “As surely as the Lord lives, the man who did this must die! 6 He must pay for that lamb four times over, because he did such a thing and had no pity.

2Sam 12:5-6


So yes, ppl have always had emotional relationships with their animals. Modern age only changed the kind of animals taken as pets. They were poorer so they needed pets that could also serve them, like dogs or sheep. We can afford pets only for the purpose of relationship.
 
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valiant

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For people saying there were no pets mentioned in Bible:

"There were two men in a certain town, one rich and the other poor. 2 The rich man had a very large number of sheep and cattle, 3 but the poor man had nothing except one little ewe lamb he had bought. He raised it, and it grew up with him and his children. It shared his food, drank from his cup and even slept in his arms. It was like a daughter to him."

2 Sam 12:1-4

And we know this sheep was killed by another man in this image.

Emotional reaction of king David:

David burned with anger against the man and said to Nathan, “As surely as the Lord lives, the man who did this must die! 6 He must pay for that lamb four times over, because he did such a thing and had no pity.

2Sam 12:5-6


So yes, ppl have always had emotional relationships with their animals. Modern age only changed the kind of animals taken as pets. They were poorer so they needed pets that could also serve them, like dogs or sheep. We can afford pets only for the purpose of relationship.
yes David was so poor it was pitiful lol

but your pet fallacy is modern as well,

you are attempting the impossible == sentimentalisation.
 

trofimus

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yes David was so poor it was pitiful lol

but your pet fallacy is modern as well,

you are attempting the impossible == sentimentalisation.
No, people were generally poorer. I am not talking about David being poor. I am only explaining why they did not have the same kind of pets we have today.

Do you have a pity for animals? Or are they just things to you?
 
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valiant

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Originally Posted by valiant
yes David was so poor it was pitiful lol

but your pet fallacy is modern as well,

you are attempting the impossible == sentimentalisation
No, people were generally poorer. I am not talking about David being poor. I am only explaining why they did not have the same kind of pets we have today.

Do you have a pity for animals? Or are they just things to you?
I am a pet lover, but I believe the Bible when it excludes pets from Heaven, sentimentalisation.

but I will leave you to your dreams
 

RickyZ

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My understanding is that animals will be there. Verses like the lion and the lamb lying together in peace, and all creation groaning for redemption, all lead us to expect that. Also, animals were part of God's original creation. The purpose of the messiah/Christ is to restore what man lost back to what God intended for creation. I would 99.999% guarantee you that animals will be there.

BUT... on the new earth, we will not remember the 'old things', ie the things of this time. Thus, while our animals will be there, and we will be at peace with them, we won't remember them as the pets and companions we know them as now.
 

trofimus

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I am a pet lover, but I believe the Bible when it excludes pets from Heaven, sentimentalisation.

but I will leave you to your dreams
If you are a pet lover as you claim, would you like your pets to be in heaven?

Bible verses are not dreams, I think. That man mentioned in Bible was said to have a sheep that was like a daughter to him.
 

trofimus

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My understanding is that animals will be there. Verses like the lion and the lamb lying together in peace, and all creation groaning for redemption, all lead us to expect that. Also, animals were part of God's original creation. The purpose of the messiah/Christ is to restore what man lost back to what God intended for creation. I would 99.999% guarantee you that animals will be there.

BUT... on the new earth, we will not remember the 'old things', ie the things of this time. Thus, while our animals will be there, and we will be at peace with them, we won't remember them as the pets and companions we know them as now.
Where is it written we will not remember old things? We must remember the past to be grown personalities, thats why we are let to live in this evil, to grow.
Without a past, we would be like children again.
 

RickyZ

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Where is it written we will not remember old things? We must remember the past to be grown personalities, thats why we are let to live in this evil, to grow.
Without a past, we would be like children again.
Isaiah 65:17, which says (in the NASB), “For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former things will not be remembered or come to mind.”

We remember things here and now to aid our growth. But in the creation to come, we will have 'achieved' (not exactly the right word but you get the idea) perfection.
 

trofimus

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Isaiah 65:17, which says (in the NASB), “For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former things will not be remembered or come to mind.”

We remember things here and now to aid our growth. But in the creation to come, we will have 'achieved' (not exactly the right word but you get the idea) perfection.
Well, I will have to wait for it to happen to understand it. For now, I dont understand what is good in a forgetting the facts. Probably the verse 16 can shed a little light:

"for they shall forget the former affliction, it shall not come into their mind."

The painful affliction will not come to mind, this I would understand. But to delete our life facts? I dont know. It would rise a lot of question, to see the hell and the smoke rising from it for all eternity and do not remember what it is...

"And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever." Rev 14:11
 
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God wil redeem His creations. He created nothing for the purpose of death.

The Bible says He keeps track of every sparrow that falls

Why? I think because He will redeem them, too.

Is anything to hard for God?????

He loves life not death.