Do Christians who commit suicide go to Heaven?

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Suicide is murder of the self. It is contrary to the love of God, self, family, friends and neighbors. It is of especially grave nature, if it is intended to set an example for others to follow. Voluntary cooperation in a suicide is also contrary to the moral law.

However, the responsibility of and gravity of suicide can be diminished in the cases of grave psychological disturbances, anguish, grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture. But this does not make it morally permissible, and it is the judgement of God that will measure the gravity or responsibility of the sin.

If you do not understand why this particular sin or other sins of grave matter, I would suggest that you refer to the Summa Theologiae of St. Thomas Aquinas. He does an excellent job of explaining why
particular sins are of grave matter, and also explores the counter-arguments and objections that some people have regarding these grave sins.

 
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I think that god knows every individuals heart my uncle shot himself i believe god knew his heart and he was telling god something in confidencce that he could not handle life not that he didnt care i believe that is between god and him if someone gives up they are just taking it to the lord he was forgiven he was a good man
 
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Rainbow, I'd hate to break it to you, but the fact that your uncle shot himself does not expose his heart as "good." And before you sit there and condemn me for "judging" you, realize that my own father killed himself as well. You are only biased towards and for your uncle because he was a member of your family. You have compromised truth and God's justice for the sake of the love you feel for your uncle. Friend, you are not right in mind or spirit. Jesus specifically declared that evil things - and suicide is an evil act - come forth only from an evil heart, and evil things, sayings, or works, reveal that someone has an evil heart. If you're uncle committed suicide, he committed an evil act, a sin - and sin doesn't come from goodness. Sin comes from evil. In truth, your uncle was not a good man. And neither was my father, or anyone else who commits murder.

(Matthew 12:35) A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.

(Matthew 15:18-20) But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.
 
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Piano, the Bible says that Jesus was "slain from the foundation of the world." This means He was prepared to do what He chose to do even before God created the earth. If Jesus did not want to lay His life down, He would not have done it. He said that HE laid His life down for His sheep. He declared Himself the good shepherd. Let that word sink into your skull for a second. Good....shepherd. A good shepherd looks out for his sheep not because he is forced to, but because he personally wants and desires to.

John 10:18
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.

I am eternally grateful that Jesus desired to lay His life down for my sake!
 
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juspekatzus

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Our Fathers word tells us he is married to the backslider. I believe this means in life or death. We may give up on him, he never gives up on us.
 
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Can a ''christian'' that commits suicide/murder go to heaven in a state of unrepentant sin? Hmmm, NOooo
 
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Piano, the Bible says that Jesus was "slain from the foundation of the world." This means He was prepared to do what He chose to do even before God created the earth. If Jesus did not want to lay His life down, He would not have done it. He said that HE laid His life down for His sheep. He declared Himself the good shepherd. Let that word sink into your skull for a second. Good....shepherd. A good shepherd looks out for his sheep not because he is forced to, but because he personally wants and desires to.

John 10:18
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.

I am eternally grateful that Jesus desired to lay His life down for my sake!
so if someone is allowed to kill himself for the sake of his sheep , why cant they kill themselves for better reasons than sheep ? but like i said, just give me one verse that says suicide is a sin .
 
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Jesus didn't kill Himself. He laid His life down, into the hands of His enemies. Samson didn't personally inflict fatal injury to himself. What he did was destroy the pillars of the temple. He didn't want to end his life because he had overwhelming problems and didn't trust in God. Samson's motive was destroying the wicked enemies of God and of Israel, for the benefit of Israel (as a result the Philistines weren't a problem for Israel for a time). If the collapse of the temple did not kill Samson, he would have went on living in faith and joy in the Lord, not depressed or overburdened with mental/spiritual problems. Samson acted upon faith in God. Jesus Christ did not inflict personal injury either; He laid His life down and His enemies murdered him. You cannot equate these examples with suicide today. The motive behind suicide today is neither of the above. People kill themselves today because of their overwhelming problems they can't deal with, and because they don't trust in God, and don't live in submission to Him.

Exodus 20:13 both the letter and spirit of the law, forbids suicide.
 
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ThereIsHope

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Jesus says there is only one unforgiveable sin.

That is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. Besides that all sins can be forgiven through Christ.

If someone is truly a Christian then they will be committing a great sin against God by killing themself. They will be detroying the life God has entrusted to them. They will be doing this while knowing they are wrong.

This is a great and horrible sin but it is one that God can forgive in his mercy.
I wholeheartedly agree with you EconGrad.

Some background here - I am bipolar and I stay mainly deeply depressed even with medications. It is a tough disease to go through. I get suicidal many times a year, I know that it is wrong to kill myself so I do seek out help in the hospital. My point is that some diseases kill. Mental illness/suicide can kill too. I know I am a Christian and I know GOD loves me and should I take myself out I believe that my merciful GOD who loves me knows my pain and would forgive this sin.

I encourage you to seek help if you are thinking of killing yourself. We are not counselors here and you need a professional to help you through this. May GOD in HIS mercy speak to your heart and lead you to the help you need.

Blessings, Hope
 
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dane_g87

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EconGrade has taken the verse concerning "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" out of context, and has erroneously believed that the situation with suicide is only related to the single act of killing the person. ThereisHope, regardless of what condition you or anybody else might have, the Law of God still stands, and the act of murdering will always remain sinful; there will be absolutely no compromise to Divine Justice. You may be more suicidal more than others, because of your condition, but how dare you try to absolve yourself from any would-be guilt, and pass the blame over to a disease or condition! Regardless of your condition or disease, you will still be just as guilty as someone who is in their right mind, who commits suicide.

Concerning Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit:
Jesus mentioned this blasphemy after the Pharisees ascribed His works to demons, declaring the works of the Holy Spirit to Satan. To believe that the glorious works Christ performed, by the Holy Spirit, originated from Satan and demons, is the sin mentioned, and reveals the deepest depravity of mind and spirit. And though there may have been lengthy explanations or sermons regarding blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, this sin is nothing more than what Christ was directly mentioning, that of ascribing the works of God, clearly evident, to Satan. Those who never believe that Christ came and lived by the power of God are the ones who are guilty. There is no salvation outside Christ, and thus, these will go unforgiven.

Now the problem with you and many other people is that since the Bible only mentions this blasphemy as being the "unforgivable sin" that they believe EVERYTHING else is forgivable. And in a degree they are correct, but only a tick. Every single act of sin is forgivable yes. But like said earlier, the issue with suicide does not involve a single sin. Suicide is complex, it is a result of a lifestyle, and multitude of sins, depression, mental instability, and/or rejection of God.

Even though every single act of sin is forgivable, a lifestyle or multitude of sins is NOT forgivable. This is explicitly outlined in the Scriptures all throughout the Bible. In Luke 13:3, Jesus declared that "unless you repent (turn from your sins) you will all likewise perish." In Hebrews 10:26-27, it says "If we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remain a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment and fiery indignation.." Then in 1 John 3:8-10, the apostle declares "He who continues in sin is of the devil...whoever has been born of God does not continue in sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. The children of God and the children of the devil are manifest, in that whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God..." And various other locations in the Bible that make this truth clear.

Those who continue in sin will perish; they will not receive the sacrifice for sin (Jesus), but will receive judgment and indignation; they are not of God, but a child of the devil. Suicide is not only a single act of sin. Suicide is merely the RESULT of a rebellious lifestyle against God, and as you can see for yourself, such a lifestyle ends in judgment and condemnation.
 
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Dane lets just agree to disagree. Paul talks about not quarrelling over anything that causes dissension in the Body of Christ. That's all I am gonna say.

Respectfully, Hope
 
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dane_g87

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ThereisHope, you again misunderstand Paul's speech. You say Paul talks about not quarrelling over anything that causes dissension in the body of Christ. However, read Corinthians, Galatians, Philippians, Ephesians, etc, and you will see him instructing the churches, and correcting and rebuking those who held questionable beliefs. What I am doing here is no different; you have presented an extremely questionable belief, in that you compromise God's Justice and try to absolve yourself from guilt by blaming any would-be sin on your condition, and this behavior does not come from the heart of a true believer. All true believers willfully and expressly acknowledge any sin that has been, or may be in the future, committed. Instead of acknowledging and confessing it a sin, you tried to sideswipe it, and in the process falter God's judgment. You believe God will "see your pain" and "understand" but you don't realize that Jesus Christ, who is God in the flesh, felt even more the pain and agony of an excruciating death, even at the eve of His capture, and yet "knew no sin." And what did God do? Did God compromise His justice for the love of His only begotten Son? No! May it never be. God expressed His divine justice by crushing His Son with the penalty of sin, which Jesus willfully placed upon Himself.

(2 Timothy 2:24-25) And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth.

What I have done here is what Scripture commands every Christian. I have sought to correct you of your objectionable comments. Notice how "quarrel" and "correct" are in the same sentence, and one is forbidden, and the other commanded. This shows that quarrelling and correction are not one in the same. I have corrected you, and you didn't take it nicely, and so you try to equate this with quarreling, which is wrong. What Paul forbids, concerning quarrelling, is arguing just for the sake of arguing. My friend, I did not say the things I did simply to argue or to voice my opinion. I said what I said to correct you, because I am concerned that you hold a very dangerous belief, and hope, for the sake of your soul, that you will see the truth and repent.
 

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Anyone can search the scriptures and find that it doesn't look good for those that commit suicide. The issue and choice we have before us each day is life or death, and the scriptures always encourage us to choose life. Based on that simple premise, if anyone commits suicide they will not enter the kingdom of God's dear Son. Thinking this way, we will always encourage people to choose life with no compromise, even if they profess to be a Christian. Why should we give hope to anyone that chooses death over life. Didn't Christ die that we might have life? To mentally go back and forth in this issue is just being double-minded about it. We are to have a single eye toward life not death.
 
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Jesus didn't kill Himself. He laid His life down, into the hands of His enemies. Samson didn't personally inflict fatal injury to himself. What he did was destroy the pillars of the temple. He didn't want to end his life because he had overwhelming problems and didn't trust in God. Samson's motive was destroying the wicked enemies of God and of Israel, for the benefit of Israel (as a result the Philistines weren't a problem for Israel for a time). If the collapse of the temple did not kill Samson, he would have went on living in faith and joy in the Lord, not depressed or overburdened with mental/spiritual problems. Samson acted upon faith in God. Jesus Christ did not inflict personal injury either; He laid His life down and His enemies murdered him. You cannot equate these examples with suicide today. The motive behind suicide today is neither of the above. People kill themselves today because of their overwhelming problems they can't deal with, and because they don't trust in God, and don't live in submission to Him.

Exodus 20:13 both the letter and spirit of the law, forbids suicide.
oh, so THOSE kinds of suicide are allowed , ok, so you believe in assisted suicide where you dont physically do the damage, just the want to die and the allowance of things needed for death hapening ?
 
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ok ima throw a kink in this one probably ,what about taking a person off of life support..is that assisted suicide????
 
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(Romans 1:29-32) ...being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

Assisted suicide is just the same as committing it yourself. You don't understand my words, piano, because of your spiritual blindness, and your legalism. Look at the spirit and intent of the law. You express the same error as the Pharisees. For example, concerning the 6th Commandment, the Pharisees taught that the only violation was the physical act of murder. However, Jesus expounded the commandment to prohibit not only the act of murder, but also the thought. He condemned unreasonable anger, declaring that they who acted upon it and expressing it in words "Raca" or "fool" would be in danger of judgment (Matthew 5:22). In addition, the spiritual intent of the law is revealed in that hatred is equated with murder in the heart (1 John 3:15).

Sure, in assisted suicide, you wouldn't physically be killing yourself, but you would be doing it in your mind and spirit, because of your determination and approval to have it done by the hand of someone else. Not only they who practice sin, but also they who approve of it, are guilty and deserve the judgment of God. Jesus Christ and Samson both consented to their death, but the motivation and spirit behind them was totally different than what you are trying to say. I continuously have to repeat myself because of your lack of spiritual understanding. Jesus Christ declared that the greatest love is that when one lays his life down for his friends. Jesus Christ expressed this supreme act of love by offering His life for His sheep. Samson too laid down his life, knowing that destroying the wicked enemies of his nation, and of God, would also result in his death. Both acted in faith, under the submission of God the Father.
 
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The original question was do Christians who commit suicide go to Heaven. Let's look at it this way, as Christians we are called to love. All over the Bible there are verses about love, loving others and the love God has for us unconditionally. (yes i could quote verses but at this point we're talking the whole Bible) How is it loving to take your own life? What kind of love leaves others grieving for your death? I think living instead of dying is the best testimony of faith anyone could have because you are proving to others you would rather live and represent Jesus, than die and lose an opportunity to plant a seed for God's kingdom.
 

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That narrow path is the way to life.
Matthew 7:13, 14

The narrow path is the path of suffering, and a hard life. But, Jesus will walk by your side every second of it. For some ODD AND CRAZY REASON. God wants us to take it. We may be tempted to take the "wide path" which if you think about in car terms, you'd rather take so that your car doesn't get screwed up from taking the narrow and rocky path, and To you and me...the broad path seems much less difficult and beneficial, but again...For some ODD AND CRAZY REASON above our knowledge, God wants us to NOT take this path.

Suicide would be taking the wide path.
 
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Just lookin for some feedback. Some references would be appreciated, but please post even without them.
One early morning... nearing 3:15 A.M. the family dog woke everyone up with the spookiest howl ever heard of. I had never heard "Mandy" ( half collie/ half german shepherd dog that looks like a collie) how like that. It made me scared to get out of bed, but my mother was up, and so... I gathered courage for I did not want anything bad to happen to my mother, no matter what. So I got up, made my way passed her to the gate penning our family dog in the kitchen. The female dog had her tail between her legs as she stood in the far corner by the closed door leading to the basement opposite from the sliding glass door on the other side of the kitchen table. My brother, Matt, was already in the litchen before I got there as his bedroom was next to the kitchen, and he ventured twoards the sliding glass door and looked out, seeing nothing. I looked at Mandy on several occasions as she banged fangs and whimpered when my mother scolded her into being quiet. I crossed over the gate to look out the sliding glass door as well. One thing I noticed as I approached the slidng part of the closed door was a film of dew was over it on the other side of that glass door. It was the area of the absence of dew that caught my attention as it was human shape and as if someone had walked through the glass door, leaving that impression. I chalked it up to my imaginations as I looked out and saw nothing. Things quieted down but Mandy was still slightly baring fangs, but calming down enough for us to go back to bed.

The next morning, we got the call that a cousin of mine had killed himself. He took his military pistol, stuck it in his mouth, and etc. Why? His wife was going to a co-ed bowling league while he stayed at home. Then she wanted a divorce because she was in another relationship... with a guy on the league.

The time of death was 3:15 A.M. but... there is an hour difference between where he was and where we were. I had heard of tales of a banshee foretelling the death in a family, but I heard of that afterwards.. not before the incident. I am not sure what the significance here is, but the supernatural occurreed that early morning hours when my cousin committed suicide.

The tragedy of it was that his brother had committed suicide when he was younger. His grandfather had died and there was a gathering at his Aunt's house after the funeral where his brother could not fathom why everyone was laughing, telling jokes at the gathering. He was obviously hurting and no one caught it in tme when he went down to his aunt's basement, got his uncle's hunting shotgun and blew his head off.

My uncle and aunt lost their only two boys to suicide. I cannot convey the emptiness nor the loss of such a wound to a mother and father.

Sometime later in years, I had moved into the bedroom next to the kitchen where my brother, Matt, had slept in. One night, I heard church bells playing at 3:15 A.M. ( and.. yeah.. I was a duh.. not connecting the time of my cousin's suicide to this event). I was thinking how odd it was and surreal. I knew there was a church in the neighborhood but it was kinda like a couple miles away. For me to hear that, I figured the neighbors will be calling the police right about then. As I layed there listening, I could make out the pattern. It was playing a theme. I recognized it as the theme from M.A.S.H., the television show. I thought... "how cool..." but as I layed there listening, I felt led to plug my ear into my only good ear ( I am deaf in my left ear and have tinnitus, a constant ringing sound, in my right ear) . Yep. The sound was outside. I got up to wake my folks but they didn't hear anything. It was not as loud as it was in my room, but they having better hearing than mine, they should have heard it. Disappointed and mystified that they did not, I went back to bed. After several times testing this sound... confirming it was audible and not in my head until... one time I was hearing it in my head after plugging my only good ear, I began praying to Jesus for help. I prayed for some time before falling asleep.

The next morning, there was a spot on the morning news about the original title to the theme from M.A.S.H. and it was "Suicide Is Painless". All I need more to raise the hair on the back of my neck is to hear the theme from the Twilight Zone or something, but of course, that did not happen.

What am I sharing? I do not know to give a definite answer to what happens to suicides, but if dark forces are at work to make one consider it, seems reasonable enough to go to Jesus for help.

I had thoughts of suicide... even way before those incidents when my mother had told me that she had wished I was never born, and I was about ten years old or there about when she had said that. ( She had said it at an earlier time as well when I was younger, but it was this sepcific time that I had considered suicide) I loved my Mom enough that I had considered hanging myself to relieve myself of being a burden. The Holy Spirit in me was convicting me not to do it and the Lord led my mother into the room to stop my "nonsense".

I have read about a prophet that wanted to die by starvation, but God sent some ravens or crows to feed him. I cannot recall that scriptural passage, but I have been led by the Lord to consider this about my life with the Lord......to cast all our anxieties onto the Lord for He cares for us.

Right now, I am jobless due to persecution and defamation of character. My enemies are so powerful that they have gone to the last two new jobs to incite others to wrath against me and some to even mock me. I cannot have realtionships as even my kins are estranged from me as if I am some worm to tolerate with the facade of politeness. As I find comforts in the Psalms, the Lord provided the answer as to why this was happening: that like Baruch, God told him that he was not to seek a life for himself for his life shall be a prey. This was the confrmation of a coming judgment that evil shall fall on all flesh.

It gets more intense. From the time I was a tot, I was having prophetic dreams that I did not know they were propehtic until they started coming true ever since I had moved here in Pennslvania for the fifth grade in July of '74. As the dreams of my tot and high school years have come true as the recent dreams were coming true faster.. some were the very next day..a few in reference to future sins, some in reference to current news event, some in reference to my activities on the internet... but they were just meant for me to know as the Holy Spirit in me was showing me things to come.

A part of me wished I had died back then when I was a tot. I was almost strangled in bed by my own bedsheets. I prayed to God to save me and just when I thought I was a goner,... I surrendered to die but I did not. When I had relaxed from my struggles, I found I could breathe just a little bit underneathe that tight knot. I noticed when I tried to undo this knot, I was making it hard to breath so I had to relax in order to get my fingers in the knot to undo it. I did. The next morning, my mother noticed the blood shot eyes which I just learned from CSI shows are the result of being almost strangled to death. She was mystified.. and of course, then I did not knew of the connection nor was I aware that my eyes were red. Anyway... my life was one of constant struggle in the flesh as I was misled in my high school years to make a commitment to follow Christ to show everyone that He was also Lord over me and not just Saviour. Needless to say that the Lord had to deliver me from it as well as the flesh for me to rest in Him again and His Covenant to me to help me live as His by faith.

So here I am now.. betrayed by my folks.. my enemies having the ability to make me out to be some kind of monster.... and yet they are not shy in provoking incidents to occur..... as if they want me to be a monster. Needless the say, I thank the Lord for making me oblivious to all of this until He informed me by dreams that gossip is the reason why I must leave... and then I found it to be true.

So... what am I leading up to? I cannot have a relationship... not even a friend. I cannot explain how they are violating my civil rights but they can turn my fellow workers against me and I have not said nor done anything to warrant this. Somehow.. things private from home are used to incite people to riot. Some say things to my face in a mocking manner that they could not have known unless they had violated my civil rights. Some say things as if they were with me the whole time and yet exaggerate the incident like my driving to work one night as I slowed down to see a doe and two fawns walking across the road... when I got at work, the cute blonde whom was off of her shift and shopping in groceries, shouted at me as she was holding the cell phone and declared her anger that I was trying to run over two fawns. Who is lying like this? Yeah.. right. Like I am looking to increase my car insurance and put a huge dent in my car! I enjoyed looking at the doe and the two fawns!!

Okay.. well anyway... I am practically fitting the description of a typical suicide with no way out, but Jesus is with me. If this happened to Baruch, then with His help, I can walk through this valley of death.

Psalm 23:1The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. 2He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. 3He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. 5Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. 6Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

People should use this Psalm for the relationship we have with Jesus now and not for others at their funeral.

So the point is... when it looks like there is no way out... give it to Jesus. Makes me wonder what He will do to get me through whatever the day throws at me.

Philippians 3:14I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

1 Peter 5: 6Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: 7Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. 8Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

Verse 9 is pretty much saying... you are not alone in the trials you are going through. Others have gone through it..and are going through it... and Jesus is with us always. He will help you face the day together. No point "checking out" when you may be depriving yourself of a thanksgiving in Jesus' name.
 
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(Romans 1:29-32) ...being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

Assisted suicide is just the same as committing it yourself. You don't understand my words, piano, because of your spiritual blindness, and your legalism. Look at the spirit and intent of the law. You express the same error as the Pharisees. For example, concerning the 6th Commandment, the Pharisees taught that the only violation was the physical act of murder. However, Jesus expounded the commandment to prohibit not only the act of murder, but also the thought. He condemned unreasonable anger, declaring that they who acted upon it and expressing it in words "Raca" or "fool" would be in danger of judgment (Matthew 5:22). In addition, the spiritual intent of the law is revealed in that hatred is equated with murder in the heart (1 John 3:15).

Sure, in assisted suicide, you wouldn't physically be killing yourself, but you would be doing it in your mind and spirit, because of your determination and approval to have it done by the hand of someone else. Not only they who practice sin, but also they who approve of it, are guilty and deserve the judgment of God. Jesus Christ and Samson both consented to their death, but the motivation and spirit behind them was totally different than what you are trying to say. I continuously have to repeat myself because of your lack of spiritual understanding. Jesus Christ declared that the greatest love is that when one lays his life down for his friends. Jesus Christ expressed this supreme act of love by offering His life for His sheep. Samson too laid down his life, knowing that destroying the wicked enemies of his nation, and of God, would also result in his death. Both acted in faith, under the submission of God the Father.
"You don't understand my words, piano, because of your spiritual blindness"
"declaring that they who acted upon it and expressing it in words "Raca" or "fool" would be in danger of judgment" ok, so you just called me a fool , but in a christian way. Christians always do that . they call me idiot, blind etc, but then when i give them that verse they say "i didnt technically call you "fool" " . but its not the letter its the spirit of the law rememeber ? "consented to their death" . well peopel taht get "Assisted suicide" also consent to their death . there is no difference , except you say that they did it in teh will of God, so you agree, suicide is allowed in certain situations. Also, Samson didnt die in a "assist" type of way. he directly kileed himself by causing the building to fall on himself. what you call "spiritual understanding" is simply "the BIble never says what i say literally"
 
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