Do Dinosaur Fossils Validate the "Old Earth" Theory?

[willfollowsGod]

SweetSavour, it is not that they automatically think behemoth and leviathan mean dinosaur. Keep in mind, that the word dinosaur was created by Richard Owen in 1841, stands for terrible lizard. Anyway it is not just based on that but if you look closely at the description for behemoth, it is not talking about an elephant or a hippopotamus. Leviathan can sometimes be Satan but it could also be a dinosaur, some have said a crocodile but I don't quite buy it. Plus there is evidence for it probably being a dinosaur because there are archaeological images of petroglyphs that have dinosaur-like motifs found in Peru and other places and there also eyewitness accounts of people who have seen dinosaurs. There is also the grave of a person named Bishop Bell and if you look closely there are pictures that he did that have been found to be anamotically correct with many of the species of dinosaurs today, like a long neck sauropod and a horned ceratopsian. But again, this is the information that the evolutionary scientists and the rest really do not want you to know, so it usually is not mentioned or they say they have debunked it or stuff like that. Also, when one uses the Huffington Post you are going to get an evolution-based argument or they will misquote someone. So while there are cases to use the Huffington Post, it is usually not a good idea to use them. So after watching that, check out the creationist's site and not just what other people say about him or falsehoods that are said about him or are attributed to him. Now, leviathan could be a marine reptile or dinosaur and there have been reports of such a creature in the Congo. The verses are not vague and I don't see a stretch. Just read them and then ponder the description, then imagine what the thing being described looks like. Since in the KJV, they will use the term dragon to signify some kind of reptile, like a dinosaur or something around those lines. I personally don't believe in an old earth and have my reasons but I also don't quite believe in a young earth either and I have my reasons. But you are free to have your opinion and views.

 

[SweetSavour]

SweetSavour, it is not that they automatically think behemoth and leviathan mean dinosaur. Keep in mind, that the word dinosaur was created by Richard Owen in 1841, stands for terrible lizard. Anyway it is not just based on that but if you look closely at the description for behemoth, it is not talking about an elephant or a hippopotamus. Leviathan can sometimes be Satan but it could also be a dinosaur, some have said a crocodile but I don't quite buy it. Plus there is evidence for it probably being a dinosaur because there are archaeological images of petroglyphs that have dinosaur-like motifs found in Peru and other places and there also eyewitness accounts of people who have seen dinosaurs. There is also the grave of a person named Bishop Bell and if you look closely there are pictures that he did that have been found to be anamotically correct with many of the species of dinosaurs today, like a long neck sauropod and a horned ceratopsian. But again, this is the information that the evolutionary scientists and the rest really do not want you to know, so it usually is not mentioned or they say they have debunked it or stuff like that. Also, when one uses the Huffington Post you are going to get an evolution-based argument or they will misquote someone. So while there are cases to use the Huffington Post, it is usually not a good idea to use them. So after watching that, check out the creationist's site and not just what other people say about him or falsehoods that are said about him or are attributed to him. Now, leviathan could be a marine reptile or dinosaur and there have been reports of such a creature in the Congo. The verses are not vague and I don't see a stretch. Just read them and then ponder the description, then imagine what the thing being described looks like. Since in the KJV, they will use the term dragon to signify some kind of reptile, like a dinosaur or something around those lines. I personally don't believe in an old earth and have my reasons but I also don't quite believe in a young earth either and I have my reasons. But you are free to have your opinion and views.

Debunked
Alleged Dinosaurs and in Ancient Art
The Pseudo Dragons Of Genesis Park Part 10 - Stupid Dinosaur Lies

Plenty more info out there on this misleading info you just have to look.

 

[SweetSavour]

What animal that its tail sways like an cedar tree and lies in marsh wetlands. A Hippo fit somewhat that description but it tail doesn't sways like a cedar tree swaying in the wind, but a crocodile tails does sways like a cedar tree in the water, but it doesn't has great strength in its thighs, it barely can hold itself up on land. Unless at one time, the crocodile has stood up higher than it is now, and something has happened to cause them to dwarf. It is so believable for someone to believe that man had gradually over the centuries had transform from apes, but it is so hard to believe that reptile evolved from dinosaurs.

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If we don't know what a "behemoth" is then it's dishonest to say it was for certain, a dinosaur.
The Truth About Behemoth - EvoWiki
The Truth About Behemoth - Stupid Dinosaur Lies

Have they found any dinosaur fossils in the same strata layer as human fossils?
Didn't think so...

 

[4enlightment]

The serpent was a dragon (see Revelation 12:9).
In case you hadn't heard, dragons are reputed to have been able to fly.
(Confirmed in fossil record: see "pteranodon")
After "the Fall", they were relegated to crawling around on all fours.

Isaiah 27:1 In that day, the Lord will punish with his sword— his fierce, great and powerful sword— Leviathan the gliding serpent, Leviathan the coiling serpent; he will slay the monster of the sea.

"...is it possible that a fire-breathing animal really existed? Today some scientists are saying yes. They have found large chambers in certain dinosaur skulls... The large skull chambers could have contained special chemical-producing glands. When the animal forced the chemicals out of its mouth or nose, these substances may have combined and produced fire and smoke... Dinosaurs and humans were definitely on earth at the same time and may have even lived side by side within the past few thousand years" --- from Bob Jones University Press biology textbook Life Science 3rd. Edition (2007).
| Humans and Fire Breathing Dinosaurs ? Romney Education Plan Would Fund Creationist Curriculum

Possibility

Dragons: Fire-Breathing Dragons Explained : Video : Animal Planet


The two traditions may have evolved separately, but have influenced each other to a certain extent, particularly with the cross-cultural contact of recent centuries. The English word "dragon" derives from Greek δράκων (drákōn), "dragon, serpent of huge size, water-snake".[SUP][2]
[/SUP]​Dragon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[4enlightment]

If we don't know what a "behemoth" is then it's dishonest to say it was for certain, a dinosaur.
The Truth About Behemoth - EvoWiki
The Truth About Behemoth - Stupid Dinosaur Lies

Have they found any dinosaur fossils in the same strata layer as human fossils?
Didn't think so...

I posted this same video earlier on this post that say that they found footprint of human with the footprint of dinosaurs.


[video=youtube_share;6oGqPc6poS4]http://youtu.be/6oGqPc6poS4[/video]

 

[jb]

Don't dinosaur fossils pretty much prove and Old Earth?

It is part of the proof...

To say that the earth is only 6000 years old is laughable, to say the least!

An "old earth" supporter here!

 

[SweetSavour]

I posted this same video earlier on this post that say that they found footprint of human with the footprint of dinosaurs.


[video=youtube_share;6oGqPc6poS4]http://youtu.be/6oGqPc6poS4[/video]

First result when searching Google for "human footprints with dinosaurs" is a Bible site.
It's interesting how these claims are on Biblical/Creationist sites but not actual scientific
ones.

Paluxy Dinosaur/"Man Track" controversy
Human footprints have been found with dinosaur tracks at Paluxy - EvoWiki

I'll be happy to keep disproving creationist claims but maybe to save time you could just Google
"creationist claim here" followed by the word "debunked." It seems all the work has already been
done for us.

 

[FIRE_of_ELIJAH]

One should come to the conclusion that earth is not 6000 year old but billions... since the fossils of dinosaurs prove to be accurate. Well the Bible says so...in Gen 1 :1 until verse 2...there's a long paused there

 

[jimmydiggs]

One should come to the conclusion that earth is not 6000 year old but billions... since the fossils of dinosaurs prove to be accurate. Well the Bible says so...in Gen 1 :1 until verse 2...there's a long paused there

The dinosaurs were created the same day donkies and cats were. No creature was made between the first two verses.

 

[RedTent]

Why should it be an issue? The bible says earth creation was in the "beginning" but not when the beginning was. It talks of days, but it was four days after creation before the sun and moon was created that results in our way of counting days. Do the bible really doesn't tell us the time span of creation.

 

[4enlightment]

First result when searching Google for "human footprints with dinosaurs" is a Bible site.
It's interesting how these claims are on Biblical/Creationist sites but not actual scientific
ones.

Paluxy Dinosaur/"Man Track" controversy
Human footprints have been found with dinosaur tracks at Paluxy - EvoWiki

I'll be happy to keep disproving creationist claims but maybe to save time you could just Google
"creationist claim here" followed by the word "debunked." It seems all the work has already been
done for us.

Scientific Verification of Footprint Authenticity:​

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The fossil was transported to a professional laboratory where 800 X-rays were performed in a CT Scan procedure. Laboratory technicians verified compression and distribution features clearly seen in both prints, human and dinosaur. This removes any possibility that the prints were carved or altered." �.. CREATION EVIDENCE MUSEUM​

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The human footprint was apparently overlaid by the dinosaur print but it really doesn�t matter; no human prints should be found in the Cretaceous, a period according to science that ranged from 145.5 million to 65 million years ago. According to evolutionary theory, the first �fossil hominid� didn�t appear until at least 60 million years from the end of the Cretaceous...s8int.com
-The Stones Cry Out Part 3; Rock Solid Proof of Dinosaur and Human Interaction?.......Page 70




As it says in the video, if it doesn't fit into the way they (Scientific community) have assumed life had existed, they throws it into the trash (Debunk). Science is a belief system that is filled with all sort of theories but not facts. But I has faith in the scriptures more than the doctrines of man. I read the scriptures with heart and look at their (Scientist) findings which is facts but their theories isn't fitting into scriptures which I consider them not facts, but I consider their theories (Belief or faith) is from their own understandings.​

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[kenisyes]

The Bible does not say that the "nephilim is the origin of the giants".
The word "nephilim" is used in place of "giants" in the modern translations,
because the translators of these perversions don't actually believe what they attempt to translate.
Adam and Eve, and their progeny, were giants.
The Greeks later worshipped them as gods.

Concerning your "best theory" about the great "Bird-Reptile Experiment",
you've pretty much just revealed yourself as a "nut-job".

You really think that the Sumerians, Greeks, and Romans are nut-jobs too? Look at the cylinder seals showing Innana using chemicals to aid the birth of demigods, read the Egyptian stories and follow the words into the Mayans, read the exact story I gave you in Ovid's Metamorphoses, read about the dinosaur skeleton found in Judea and taken to Rome as a manufactured giant in Pliny. Not a bad post, from someone who goes from translations rather than the original texts. Gen. 6:4 The Nephalim were in the earth when the sons of God intermarried with the daughters of men, these bore children who became the Gibborim. Forget the Septuagint, where geogenes is confused with gigantes, and read the Jewish story. The Nephilim is the Hebrew name for the sons of God. The children are the gibborim, called demigods by the Greeks, and Mesnuti by the Egyptians, shown in pictures as 9 feet tall all over the ancient world, and clearly survived the Flood, or were made afterwards again.

This is the second time in three days you have accused me of not knowing what I am talking about. I will provide details as you wish, but please check your facts before you assume that things you have not yet seen are automatically crazy.

 

[kenisyes]

SweetSavour, it is not that they automatically think behemoth and leviathan mean dinosaur.

Does everyone realize behemoth is a feminine plural noun? Strong's 929. Leviathan is levi- ten(en), which is translated whale in Gen. 1 (day 5) but serpent when Moses' staff turns into one.

 

[Bookends]

It could, but there is more and better evidences that point to an older earth and an even older universe. Tree rings is one example, ice form the south and north poles where the climate is fairly consistent (not is southern Greenland where you have more melting and freezing taking place and where Young earth creationist will point you to to refute the ice core evidence). Starlight is another evidence that points to an old universe, for you can view all stages of a star, from birth, middlelife and star death from a high powered telescope. Therefore my question is did God make these things with the appearance of age? No, God does not deceive us and has put is a place in the universe where scientific discovery is most possible and encouraged by God. The heavens speak of God's glory (Psa. 19), and God's invisible attributes are clearly seen by the things which God has MADE (Romans 1:20)!

If you are serious about understanding old earth theory, I would suggest a youtube debate between Hugh Ross and Danny Faulkner <<<Click>>> Its a 5 hour debate, but I think its worth it and also shows how old earth creationists are within Christian orthodoxy.

[video=youtube;GaiAomEVpKY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaiAomEVpKY[/video]

 

[4enlightment]

Does everyone realize behemoth is a feminine plural noun? Strong's 929. Leviathan is levi- ten(en), which is translated whale in Gen. 1 (day 5) but serpent when Moses' staff turns into one.

“I will not fail to speak of Leviathan’s limbs,
its strength and its graceful form.
13 Who can strip off its outer coat?
Who can penetrate its double coat of armor[b]?
14 Who dares open the doors of its mouth,
ringed about with fearsome teeth?
15 Its back has[c] rows of shields
tightly sealed together;
16 each is so close to the next
that no air can pass between.
17 They are joined fast to one another;
they cling together and cannot be parted.
18 Its snorting throws out flashes of light;
its eyes are like the rays of dawn.
19 Flames stream from its mouth;
sparks of fire shoot out.
20 Smoke pours from its nostrils
as from a boiling pot over burning reeds.
21 Its breath sets coals ablaze,
and flames dart from its mouth.
22 Strength resides in its neck;
dismay goes before it.
23 The folds of its flesh are tightly joined;
they are firm and immovable.
24 Its chest is hard as rock,
hard as a lower millstone.
25 When it rises up, the mighty are terrified;
they retreat before its thrashing.
26 The sword that reaches it has no effect,
nor does the spear or the dart or the javelin.
27 Iron it treats like straw
and bronze like rotten wood.
28 Arrows do not make it flee;
slingstones are like chaff to it.
29 A club seems to it but a piece of straw;
it laughs at the rattling of the lance.
30 Its undersides are jagged potsherds,
leaving a trail in the mud like a threshing sledge.
31 It makes the depths churn like a boiling caldron
and stirs up the sea like a pot of ointment.
32 It leaves a glistening wake behind it;
one would think the deep had white hair.
33 Nothing on earth is its equal—
a creature without fear.
34 It looks down on all that are haughty;
it is king over all that are proud.”

It doesn't seem that the verses was referring to a whale, because whales doesn't has rows of armor on its back that are air tight sealed, Whale, sharks, and dolphins has no scales.



Some Ideals...

 

[nathan3]

There's the two theories: Old and new Earth.

Don't dinosaur fossils pretty much prove and Old Earth?

Yes. They do. Gods words actually confirm that. The very first sentence in Genesis . It says in the beginning, but does not say when that was.

 

[kenisyes]

It doesn't seem that the verses was referring to a whale, because whales doesn't has rows of armor on its back that are air tight sealed, Whale, sharks, and dolphins has no scales.

I agree, Genesis is the wrong translation. The trick is to figure out what it is. Remember the magicians in Pharoah's palace could duplicate the rod to serpent stunt. But would addressing it here be hijacking the thread.

 

[nathan3]

Yes. They do. Gods words actually confirm that. The very first sentence in Genesis . It says in the beginning, but does not say when that was.

Just to add

There's the two theories: Old and new Earth.

Don't dinosaur fossils pretty much prove and Old Earth?

Then in verse, 2, everything was destroyed, if you bother to read that in its Hebrew. It pretty much states that He destroyed all the people and animals off of it. In Jeremiah 4, there its stated it was destroyed with a flood ( greater then Noahs flood and among other things He used ) . Then in the rest of Genesis, you see God rejuvenating the Earth for those 6'000 plus years. Creating man in Flesh, to bring in this age of testing and Salvation, which is known in the Bible as the 2nd age we are in. We learn in John, the Light is God , etc.

So its not too hard at all to put two and two together when you throw away traditions of men, which make void the word of God.. I choice God's words over mans confusion.


This has Nothing to do with Evolution just to get that out the way; which is a lie.

 

[Praus]

There's the two theories: Old and new Earth.

Don't dinosaur fossils pretty much prove and Old Earth?

The large number of dinosaur bones in the ground proves Young Earth and the truth of the Bible!

The human population exploded in Gen 6:

Gen 6:1 When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, (ESV)

Because of extreme competition between humans and dinosaurs for agricultural land, the dinosaurs were driven to extinction. This is why Noah and his family didn't get eaten up by a Tyrannosaurus rex, because dinosaurs were already extinct before the flood.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Yes. They do. Gods words actually confirm that. The very first sentence in Genesis . It says in the beginning, but does not say when that was.

The beginning was Day 1.