Do Dinosaur Fossils Validate the "Old Earth" Theory?

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jimmydiggs

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The large number of dinosaur bones in the ground proves Young Earth and the truth of the Bible!

The human population exploded in Gen 6:


Gen 6:1 When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, (ESV)

Because of extreme competition between humans and dinosaurs for agricultural land, the dinosaurs were driven to extinction. This is why Noah and his family didn't get eaten up by a Tyrannosaurus rex, because dinosaurs were already extinct before the flood.

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Definately a troll.
 
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nathan3

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The beginning was Day 1.
Actually from how It reads, Day one, of everything ever, is not stated, It would be in the very first sentence, it says, in the beginning . it dose not state when the beginning was.

Its not until later in the chapter, that you get the Day one, that your probably thinking of.
 
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Genesis 3 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

This verse is referring that the descendants of the serpent (Reptiles) will one day be brought down to a lower level in which the descendants of the woman (Human) will be able to stomp on it head; and which the humans will gain from it a bruised heel.

Job 41:1“Can you pull in Leviathan with a fishhook or tie down its tongue with a rope?

Isaiah 27:1
In that day, the Lord will punish with his sword— his fierce, great and powerful sword— Leviathan the gliding serpent, Leviathan the coiling serpent; he will slay the monster of the sea.

That is too much detail as if they were living among them.

In the scriptures it had made it sounded like stepping on serpents head was a big deal. It would be consider a big deal if the serpent had tower over them.
Which species of reptile breathes fire from its mouth and smoke from its nostrils?
I can't find any on Wikipedia: Reptile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Job 41:1 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord [which] thou lettest down? ... 19 Out of his mouth go burning lamps, [and] sparks of fire leap out. 20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as [out] of a seething pot or caldron. 21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.
 
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There's the two theories: Old and new Earth.

Don't dinosaur fossils pretty much prove and Old Earth?
No, because the Lord could create a world that appears to be billions of years old, when in fact he only created that world now.
 
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Definately a troll.
James 4:9 Bee afflicted, and mourne, and weepe: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your ioy to heauinesse.

"To live is - to war with trolls
In the holds of the heart and mind;
To write is - to hold
Judgment Day over the self."
--Henrik Ibsen
 
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#46
First result when searching Google for ..

I'll be happy to keep disproving creationist claims but maybe to save time you could just Google
"creationist claim here" followed by the word "debunked." It seems all the work has already been
done for us.
The Apostle Paul needed no such Google search.

Rom 1:19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
 
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Scientific Verification of Footprint Authenticity:
The fossil was transported to a professional laboratory where 800 X-rays were performed in a CT Scan procedure. Laboratory technicians verified compression and distribution features clearly seen in both prints, human and dinosaur. This removes any possibility that the prints were carved or altered." �.. CREATION EVIDENCE MUSEUM​
The human footprint was apparently overlaid by the dinosaur print but it really doesn�t matter; no human prints should be found in the Cretaceous, a period according to science that ranged from 145.5 million to 65 million years ago. According to evolutionary theory, the first �fossil hominid� didn�t appear until at least 60 million years from the end of the Cretaceous...s8int.com
-The Stones Cry Out Part 3; Rock Solid Proof of Dinosaur and Human Interaction?.......Page 70

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As it says in the video, if it doesn't fit into the way they (Scientific community) have assumed life had existed, they throws it into the trash (Debunk). Science is a belief system that is filled with all sort of theories but not facts. But I has faith in the scriptures more than the doctrines of man. I read the scriptures with heart and look at their (Scientist) findings which is facts but their theories isn't fitting into scriptures which I consider them not facts, but I consider their theories (Belief or faith) is from their own understandings.

The "human" footprints were faked.


-The "human" footprints referred to in the claim, are misidentified specimens of dinosaur footprints which bear a greater or lesser degree of similarity to human footprints. In some cases, Glen Rose residents have been known to artificially enhance particular footprints' similarity to human footprints in order to attract tourists' dollars.

-Furthermore, the "human" footprints, misidentified or counterfeit, don't resemble human footprints, either in size, nor shape, in the first place.

-It is by far a more parsimonious explanation that these fossils are wrongly identified or are faked rather than the entire fields of paleontology, paleoichnology and anthropology are wrong.

-Creationist think-tank Answers in Genesis agrees that this claim is false, and is on their list of arguments that should not be used.

Again, if dinosaurs coexisted with humans we would expect to find dinosaur fossils in the same layer
of the geological column as human fossils. But we don't, the dinosaur fossils are in a much deeper/older
section of the column.
 

Bookends

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The Bible says the nephilim is the origin of the giants. One theory (probably the best) is that some type of eugenics or genetic modification (in other words science) was involved. Science requires experiments. Dinosaurs are the results of experiments on birds and reptiles. That puts their ceration to within the memories of written history, thus within the last 6000 or so years.
This would have to prove that men at the time of Gen. 6 where smarter human beings then we are today, or at least have more knowledge and know how. However, there is no evidence that such experiments could nor did take place. If such experiments did take place, you'd think that the same experiments of today could produce a so called "similar result" in creating Dinosaurs. But these experiments are happening today and if they are, they aren't successful even with the increased knowledge we have today. IMO, this theory is the worst. No offense intended.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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dinosaur fossils do not prove that the earth is billions of years old...because they can be explained equally well by young earth creationists as all having been buried by the flood that took place in noah's time...which would have deposited miles of sediment plus the carcasses of whatever had been alive on earth at the time...

also as someone has already mentioned...paleontologists have found some dinosaur fossils that still contain soft tissue...the advocates of millions of years have had an awful time fitting those new discoveries into their worldview...
 
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dinosaur fossils do not prove that the earth is billions of years old...because they can be explained equally well by young earth creationists as all having been buried by the flood that took place in noah's time...which would have deposited miles of sediment plus the carcasses of whatever had been alive on earth at the time...

also as someone has already mentioned...paleontologists have found some dinosaur fossils that still contain soft tissue...the advocates of millions of years have had an awful time fitting those new discoveries into their worldview...
Dinosaurs weren't around billions of years ago and there is no evidence of a worldwide flood.
If you think otherwise please list one scientifically peer reviewed source that says so (no creationist
sources) please.

Again, still waiting on just ONE dinosaur bone to be found lying next to human bones.
 
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danschance

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...please list one scientifically peer reviewed source that says so (no creationist
sources) please.
What do you think this forum is about?

Do you think this is a MENSA convention?

Maybe you can respect other people's beliefs, just maybe..
 

Nautilus

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the things i see arguments over sometimes. No wonder the world laughs at christians. Have you read how crazy some of this is?
 

iamsoandso

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lets think out of the box for a second,,,(who is job?),,,no genealogy. ,,,so lets look at other wording used in the book of job to solve the equation. elihu the buzite,,,bildad the shuite,,,eliphaz the temanite,,,zophar the naanmite. but not to change the subject(but in support of something),,in the book of job it speaks of certain thins in it's text(earmarks).

in job 1;15 the sabeans(exist) in the time frame of history within the text of job of Uz, and also the Chaldean's, job 1;17. now again the statement is made by job both "Tema and Sheba" exist in the time-frame of the events in the book of job. so all of these statements narrow down a man,job to a certain time frame, which one? i will say this as blunt as possible because it should be in another thread but this will also help in the discussion of dinosaurs.,,,,Eliphaz the Temanite,,,,

1 chronicles 1;28-31,,,blood line 1-14 Matthew 1;2 blood line 1-14
(1)Abraham (1)Abraham
(2)Ishmael (2)Isaac
(3)Nebaioth (3)Jacob
(4)Kadar (4)Judas
(5)Adbeel (5)Phares
(6)Mibsam (6)Esrom
(7)Mishma (7)Aram
(8)Dumah (8)Aminadab
(9)Massa (9)Naason
(10)Hadad (10)Salmon
(11)tema,,,,,whose tribe is in job (11)Booz
(12)Jetur (12)Obed
(13)Naphish (13)Jesse
(14)Kedemah (14)David the king of Isreal,,,,,,,

so from #11 tema we have "Eliphaz,the Temanite",,,,,who is 1 of the four friends of job in the book of job,,,,,according to the bible we have in our hands,,,,,

problem,1,2,3,4,5,6,7, now occur,,,job was not an Hebrew from the blood line that were led out of Egypt by Moses,hence he is not bound to the law given by Moses,,so it is not mentioned in the book of job,he was from Uz,,,,

i thought that i would post this here because there were several post present on the book of job,,,,,and i thought,,,"where does job fit in the time-frame of the bible?,,,,,,take the (4 friends and search them),they all 4 are living with-in 100 years before or after "king David",,,,,,,,,and David never,Samuel,Nathan,Iddo ect. never mention dinosaurs,,,but they are real,pre flood,you have their bones,but they are not post flood in the days of David,,,,,
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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#54
Dinosaurs weren't around billions of years ago and there is no evidence of a worldwide flood.
If you think otherwise please list one scientifically peer reviewed source that says so (no creationist
sources) please.

Again, still waiting on just ONE dinosaur bone to be found lying next to human bones.
i never said dinosaurs were around billions of years ago...dishonesty on your part...strike one...

you ask for sources advocating non uniformitarian geology from journals of uniformitarian geology...self contradictory demand on your part...strike two...

giganotosaurus and spinosaurus fossils are never found together...yet that hasn't stopped paleontologists from saying that they lived at the same time...hypocritical standard of proof on your part...strike three...

you're out!
 

iamsoandso

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lets think out of the box for a second,,,(who is job?),,,no genealogy. ,,,so lets look at other wording used in the book of job to solve the equation. elihu the buzite,,,bildad the shuite,,,eliphaz the temanite,,,zophar the naanmite. but not to change the subject(but in support of something),,in the book of job it speaks of certain thins in it's text(earmarks).

in job 1;15 the sabeans(exist) in the time frame of history within the text of job of Uz, and also the Chaldean's, job 1;17. now again the statement is made by job both "Tema and Sheba" exist in the time-frame of the events in the book of job. so all of these statements narrow down a man,job to a certain time frame, which one? i will say this as blunt as possible because it should be in another thread but this will also help in the discussion of dinosaurs.,,,,Eliphaz the Temanite,,,,

1 chronicles 1;28-31,,,blood line 1-14 Matthew 1;2 blood line 1-14
(1)Abraham (1)Abraham
(2)Ishmael (2)Isaac
(3)Nebaioth (3)Jacob
(4)Kadar (4)Judas
(5)Adbeel (5)Phares
(6)Mibsam (6)Esrom
(7)Mishma (7)Aram
(8)Dumah (8)Aminadab
(9)Massa (9)Naason
(10)Hadad (10)Salmon
(11)tema,,,,,whose tribe is in job (11)Booz
(12)Jetur (12)Obed
(13)Naphish (13)Jesse
(14)Kedemah (14)David the king of Isreal,,,,,,,

so from #11 tema we have "Eliphaz,the Temanite",,,,,who is 1 of the four friends of job in the book of job,,,,,according to the bible we have in our hands,,,,,

problem,1,2,3,4,5,6,7, now occur,,,job was not an Hebrew from the blood line that were led out of Egypt by Moses,hence he is not bound to the law given by Moses,,so it is not mentioned in the book of job,he was from Uz,,,,

i thought that i would post this here because there were several post present on the book of job,,,,,and i thought,,,"where does job fit in the time-frame of the bible?,,,,,,take the (4 friends and search them),they all 4 are living with-in 100 years before or after "king David",,,,,,,,,and David never,Samuel,Nathan,Iddo ect. never mention dinosaurs,,,but they are real,pre flood,you have their bones,but they are not post flood in the days of David,,,,,
,,,,,notice how many years sepperate this from cheops,and Giza?????
 
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danschance

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Its called cognitive dissonance. The scientific fact conflicts with their beliefs that they hold very strongly, so to avoid the painful conflict of the two in their mind, they simply deny the science.
Interesting subject.
[video=youtube;ZBAHXPW8Ulk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBAHXPW8Ulk[/video]
 
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danschance

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#57
i never said dinosaurs were around billions of years ago...dishonesty on your part...strike one...

you ask for sources advocating non uniformitarian geology from journals of uniformitarian geology...self contradictory demand on your part...strike two...

giganotosaurus and spinosaurus fossils are never found together...yet that hasn't stopped paleontologists from saying that they lived at the same time...hypocritical standard of proof on your part...strike three...

you're out!

How I imagine Rachelbiblestudent to look like:
(Definitely not a blonde)
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...except she must have a larger head to allow room for a larger brain. :p
 
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kenisyes

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This would have to prove that men at the time of Gen. 6 where smarter human beings then we are today, or at least have more knowledge and know how. However, there is no evidence that such experiments could nor did take place. If such experiments did take place, you'd think that the same experiments of today could produce a so called "similar result" in creating Dinosaurs. But these experiments are happening today and if they are, they aren't successful even with the increased knowledge we have today. IMO, this theory is the worst. No offense intended.
It's a really good observation. Let's deal with it. As you know, 500 years ago, we were doing alchemy and thought the sun was at the center of the solar system. Out current sceitific culture begins with the invention of graphing, then of calculus based on that. Our current science is just about 400 years old. If we go with the Chinese date (the most complete and agrees with Genesis), the Flood was 3122 BC. Certainly there was a major flood in Sumeria, found in the 1920's I think, dated by strata to about that age. Writing developed from pictures from about 3500 BC. The legends put Adam and Eve before 3700BC, no matter where you look. They had 600 years or more to create this science. We know for certain that before the sin, Adam and Eve talked to God. Their intelligence would not surprise us. What we read, is that some of Adam and Eve's children became angry with God and invited fallen angels to possess them. If that is true, then it is also true what the legends say that these men had the knowledge given them by the fallen angels. I think for your observation to be proved valid, we would have to give our science another 100-200 years. As far as evidence, giants are well attested in every middle east culture from middle Kingdom Egypt on. Even today, finds are still turning up of a race of 9-15 feet tall people. Another note is that we have no need to produce giants; the stories say they were produced as policemen, when a few dozen nephilim divided the world among them and controlled the population, a very different situation from democracy (real or pretended) that is common in today's world.
 
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kenisyes

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#59
Dinosaurs weren't around billions of years ago and there is no evidence of a worldwide flood.
If you think otherwise please list one scientifically peer reviewed source that says so (no creationist
sources) please.

Again, still waiting on just ONE dinosaur bone to be found lying next to human bones.
Proving something no peer reviewer believes in is pretty hard. Do you know that all ancient calendars begin counting on the same day? Dec. 21, 3121BC. Three sources, Chinese, Egyptian, and Hebrew, all list a flood date. All are in different calendrical systems, and only the Chinese is complete with month, day and year, but the other two agree with that. June 6-16, 3122. This is related (quite probably) to the lack of agreement of the sun standing still for Joshua, which no peer reviewers will accept. Or the one for King Hezekiah (exactly 40 minutes it says). It was a real trip fro me to hear the BBC Science shortwave program some years back recount how EVERY sundial in the world built before 720BC and EVERY astronomical table from before that time is off by about 40 minutes, and no one can figure out why.
 
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CoooCaw

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#60
The "human" footprints were faked.


-The "human" footprints referred to in the claim, are misidentified specimens of dinosaur footprints which bear a greater or lesser degree of similarity to human footprints. In some cases, Glen Rose residents have been known to artificially enhance particular footprints' similarity to human footprints in order to attract tourists' dollars.

-Furthermore, the "human" footprints, misidentified or counterfeit, don't resemble human footprints, either in size, nor shape, in the first place.

-It is by far a more parsimonious explanation that these fossils are wrongly identified or are faked rather than the entire fields of paleontology, paleoichnology and anthropology are wrong.

-Creationist think-tank Answers in Genesis agrees that this claim is false, and is on their list of arguments that should not be used.

Again, if dinosaurs coexisted with humans we would expect to find dinosaur fossils in the same layer
of the geological column as human fossils. But we don't, the dinosaur fossils are in a much deeper/older
section of the column.
that is the theory, anyhow;

anything that does not fit we lock away in the Smithsonian