Do Dispensationalism and Free-will Salvation question God's providence?

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eternally-gratefull

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The over all theme of the Bible is: GOD'S ETERNAL COVENANT OF GRACE. Others have presented about the same theme ,using the words : God's covenant of salvation, the covenant of redemption, The story of salvation, or any number of other suggestions. The discussion of the theme of the Bible is important to our discussion of Dispensationalism to see if we can find a common tread, theme, running through out the whole Bible. After 52 yrs of Bible study I see Grace is the common theme in the whole bible. Grace is the only term used in the bible that is broad enough that it can not be challenged by any other word in the Bible. But the common meaning of grace is not broad enough to meet the challenge.The Bibles definition of grace is twofold: 1. the Bible teaches that grace is the power of God to change the sinner into a saint. 2. The Bible also teaches that grace is God's Mercy to forgive sin. In order to be willing to accept this definition of grace you have to willing to challenge the common meaning of grace,which is: God's undeserved mercy. I use two acrostics with the word grace to teach this claim. 1. God's Recreation at Christ's Energizing and 2. God's Riches At Christ's Expense The first one is my invention but the 2nd one is not mine. Much of the error on salvation teaching comes from a false definition of grace, as mercy only. If we accepted the true,two fold, meaning of grace we would not think so shallowly about being born again. The common meaning of the new birth is just being accepted into the family of God, by means of our acceptance of free salvation , the forgiveness of our sins by receiving Jesus as our savior. Justification is presented as the whole of our salvation and being transformed into the image of God by the imparting of a new nature to over rule our sinful nature is diminished to something not worthy of mentioning. Salvation is viewed as a new position but nothing is said of our new condition. Conversion is belittled as a mere receiving of grace, undeserved mercy. More later. Hoffco

I think instead of trying to make an interpretation of a word other than its true interpretation is dangerous.

Grace literally means charity, or something given that was not earned.

Paul makes it clear, it is either of grace, or it is of works, it can not be both. And it can NEVER be earned.

It is BY grace (gods mercy) we are saved, and it is also by this same grace we are given power to do the works God created us to do (eph 2: 8-10)

As for our new condition. would love to get into this. Unfortunately people want to make our new condition and how we handle it a per-requisite for salvation (salvation by works) . So we can never get to this conversation.
 
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djames1958

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Definitely a titter moment... but only proves that he is a direct influence on either your opinion or your understanding... not always meaning you agree with him on everything and vice versa. Must be fun.
Interesting note: I was home-schooled my entire life and took Abeka Book's course on Bible doctrines... taught by none other than Pastor Jim Schettler.
My point was to Hoffco - that he is apparently appalled at my theology, but listens to DeYoung and Hendricks - guys he thinks are great - and Jimmy and I work together. I just found it interesting.

Also, all the people we mutually know from Schroon Lake, New York agree with my theology and not his.

What I have found over the years is that the differences in theology are sharply magnified in a forum like this - while in a real life conversation - without the anonymity and safety afforded by the internet, things are often said in such a way and frequently with barbs that would never be said in person. And, there is no opportunity to immediately correct a misperception - while it can take several iterations to clear up a misunderstanding - causing some issues to take on a life of their own.

Your point about age is well-taken - and is generally the perspective of someone who is younger. The interesting thing is that I consistently hear from people in their 50s and 60s is that it took 20-30 years for them to realize how much they really didn't know when they were younger, even though at the time they were confident they were right.

Time is an component of learning, understanding, knowledge and wisdom that cannot be short circuited - in either a subject or in a relationship. Most young people don't even know the questions let alone the answers. This isn't a put down - it is a fact simply because there is too much to know and experience as a believer.
 
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Mammachickadee

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My point was to Hoffco - that he is apparently appalled at my theology, but listens to DeYoung and Hendricks - guys he thinks are great - and Jimmy and I work together. I just found it interesting.

Also, all the people we mutually know from Schroon Lake, New York agree with my theology and not his.

What I have found over the years is that the differences in theology are sharply magnified in a forum like this - while in a real life conversation - without the anonymity and safety afforded by the internet, things are often said in such a way and frequently with barbs that would never be said in person. And, there is no opportunity to immediately correct a misperception - while it can take several iterations to clear up a misunderstanding - causing some issues to take on a life of their own.

Your point about age is well-taken - and is generally the perspective of someone who is younger. The interesting thing is that I consistently hear from people in their 50s and 60s is that it took 20-30 years for them to realize how much they really didn't know when they were younger, even though at the time they were confident they were right.

Time is an component of learning, understanding, knowledge and wisdom that cannot be short circuited - in either a subject or in a relationship. Most young people don't even know the questions let alone the answers. This isn't a put down - it is a fact simply because there is too much to know and experience as a believer.
Yes experience benefits a more personal understanding of many things, and I don't doubt I don't know everything (nor would I want to, to be honest). One of my favorite quotes: "The mark of a truly intelligent man is one that admits he knows nothing" -Socrates
 
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Hoffco

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to djames , you totally misunderstood my words; Are we talking the same language? English, right? yes OK! Are my language skills so bad that I can not convey good thoughts?, This could be,part, of the problem. You guys and some of my Reformed "friends" , react to me the same way, "Doug, you are preaching a works salvation" No way Hosa,LOL. The people who love my Gospel are the Aminians, believe it or not ,it is true. The Weslyan church, in Brant lake, wanted me as their pastor,but the dist, bd. voted me out. But the Horicon Baptist,hated my "works" preaching, as did, mountain side, word of Life. To them it is wrong to demand works,discipleship, for sal. To you guys, sal. is a free gift by "faith alone" (herecy)I think the real problem is that people read into what I say,what I didn't mean. I did say, Jimmy,Paul, are great Men of God, and great preachers : But did I say,They had correct doctrine which I agree with? no way, Hosa! LOL They are heretical, in most of their doctrines. They,like most all Dispensationalist, are Heretics in preaching a false gospel of "faith only", except, John MacAuther and myself. I hope you got my point this time. I do count you as a "friend" in Christ: But,with"friends" like you guys and gals, I don't need enemies. I love all my brethren at Dallas Theo. Sem. But you guys crucify me ever time we talk on the Gospel. Be blessed in Christ,my "enemy", "friends", sorry, you are not with me, in the truth of God, but are my Brethren in Christ, I can not say this of some who are in cc, they are not saved.sorry, but in every house there are saved and lost. Hoffco providence of God,
 
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Hoffco

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Hoffco providence of God, WHAT IS THAT? This is part of the problem, I start a thought and ,I change my mind, but forget to proof read my letter good enough, and so, an incomplete thought pops up, Sorry, I am fallible, Thank God for spell check. I need a secretary, who wants the job.? LOL
 
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Mammachickadee

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Hoffco providence of God, WHAT IS THAT? This is part of the problem, I start a thought and ,I change my mind, but forget to proof read my letter good enough, and so, an incomplete thought pops up, Sorry, I am fallible, Thank God for spell check. I need a secretary, who wants the job.? LOL
I need a job, but not that badly. ;-)
Please be careful, though, Hoff, not to be a person who causes divisions. Intelligent conversation can well be carried out without getting the vapors... as I've had to remind myself already in this discussion.
Every denomination of true believers shares one thing in common... the believe that Christ became sin for us so that God would look at us and see Christ's lack of sin (rough interpretation). It's because Christ took our place that God considers us justified. HOWEVER, every creature on earth can agree with a portion of what another person says without believing in the same fundamentals of their faith. All too often people see something they think wonderful, but until they delve into the person life of the creator of that thing they cannot know for sure if that thing is to be valued. You have obviously experienced this. To say that faith alone is not good enough for salvation, though, is the heresy.
Titus 3:5-7
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
 
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djames1958

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to djames , you totally misunderstood my words; Are we talking the same language? English, right? yes OK! Are my language skills so bad that I can not convey good thoughts?, This could be,part, of the problem. You guys and some of my Reformed "friends" , react to me the same way, "Doug, you are preaching a works salvation" No way Hosa,LOL. The people who love my Gospel are the Aminians, believe it or not ,it is true. The Weslyan church, in Brant lake, wanted me as their pastor,but the dist, bd. voted me out. But the Horicon Baptist,hated my "works" preaching, as did, mountain side, word of Life. To them it is wrong to demand works,discipleship, for sal. To you guys, sal. is a free gift by "faith alone" (herecy)I think the real problem is that people read into what I say,what I didn't mean. I did say, Jimmy,Paul, are great Men of God, and great preachers : But did I say,They had correct doctrine which I agree with? no way, Hosa! LOL They are heretical, in most of their doctrines. They,like most all Dispensationalist, are Heretics in preaching a false gospel of "faith only", except, John MacAuther and myself. I hope you got my point this time. I do count you as a "friend" in Christ: But,with"friends" like you guys and gals, I don't need enemies. I love all my brethren at Dallas Theo. Sem. But you guys crucify me ever time we talk on the Gospel. Be blessed in Christ,my "enemy", "friends", sorry, you are not with me, in the truth of God, but are my Brethren in Christ, I can not say this of some who are in cc, they are not saved.sorry, but in every house there are saved and lost. Hoffco providence of God,
Yes, you've lost me this time - because I understood exactly what you meant as explained here.

You're completely wrong about MacArthur - as a Calvinist he couldn't believe more strongly that works don't contribute to salvation - and I'm at a complete loss as to why you think you and he are on the same page - when you couldn't be further apart.

It is completely obvious why Arminians like your preaching - which would be exactly why MacArthur would not.

There is no more heretical doctrine that works salvation and this is not difficult to demonstrate - but since most people here already know that - and because nothing I would write will change your mind, there is no point in getting into this any further.

And, by the way, there are plenty of Arminian dispensationalists - for example many in the Assemblies of God, as well as many holiness pentecostals - so the disagreement is not exclusively because we are dispensationalists.

I don't know where you have gotten your information, but it seems that for whatever reason you have a very incomplete understanding of a lot of these issues. This isn't a put down, just a fact that you have demonstrated. That being the case, you might want to reconsider being so dogmatic and authoritative about things of which there are some significant gaps in your knowledge.
 
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Hoffco

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djames as I said .you and jimmy are both wrong, you both teach a "faith only" false gospel. and you condemned MarArthur for mixing discipleship with sal. did you not? I am a cal. and a dispensationalist, but not pre-tri. I'm pre-wrath, I preach just like MacArthur in THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS. I listen to thes men every week, I know what they and John Debrine teach and Adam miller, I KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING. please stop smearing me. Hoffco
 
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eternally-gratefull

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djames as I said .you and jimmy are both wrong, you both teach a "faith only" false gospel. and you condemned MarArthur for mixing discipleship with sal. did you not? I am a cal. and a dispensationalist, but not pre-tri. I'm pre-wrath, I preach just like MacArthur in THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS. I listen to thes men every week, I know what they and John Debrine teach and Adam miller, I KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING. please stop smearing me. Hoffco
You must be speaking of a different john MacArthur.

This is what he states on his webpage.


[h=3]Salvation[/h][h=3][/h]We teach that salvation is wholly of God by grace on the basis of the redemption of Jesus Christ, the merit of His shed blood, and not on the basis of human merit or works (John 1:12; Ephesians 1:7; 2:8 10; 1 Peter 1:18 19).

If you teach works. How can you teach the same as him???
 
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djames1958

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djames as I said .you and jimmy are both wrong, you both teach a "faith only" false gospel. and you condemned MarArthur for mixing discipleship with sal. did you not? I am a cal. and a dispensationalist, but not pre-tri. I'm pre-wrath, I preach just like MacArthur in THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS. I listen to thes men every week, I know what they and John Debrine teach and Adam miller, I KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING. please stop smearing me. Hoffco
I'm not smearing you - you just misunderstand MacArthur and if you're teaching faith + works salvation you are not a Calvinist.

MacArthur teaches Lordship salvation, as do many in the Calvinist camp - but you have apparently confused that with teaching faith + works, which they would vehemently deny with all their being. I agree that the way they express the gospel it can sound like they are adding works in fore-thought - but that react strongly to that charge.

This is definitely one of my major concerns that MacArthur's followers would misunderstand him and teach a false gospel.

Also, being a 5pt Calvinist - MacArthur believes that regeneration precedes faith. Do you believe that? If you don't, then your understanding of the gospel is radically different than MacArthur's. And MacArthur believed this back as early as 1990. I was a student at DTS and had Mark Bailey for a class. Mark is married to the sister of Steve Green, the well-known vocalist, whose parents were missionaries in Brazil. Steve told Mark that when he was at MacArthur's church he asked him about the matter of regeneration preceding faith and MacArthur affirmed that he did - so I know what I'm talking about from a first hand account. (It can also be seen in later writings, I believe.)

If you do believe that regeneration precedes faith (which I don't), then works is a completely moot point - because along with this Calvinists also believe in the absolute perseverence of the saints.

Tell you what - just contact Grace To You and ask them if they believe that salvation comes from faith AND works. I guarantee 100% that they will say that they absolutely do not. So, before you say that I'm smearing you again, send them an email. I have sent an email before and they responded - so I'm sure that they will respond to yours, especially because of the subject and your misunderstanding of it.

If they tell you that salvation is made up of both faith and works I will fully apologize here for my complete misunderstanding.

By the way, back in the 1980s, after The Gospel According to Jesus was published, I was the Dean of Men in Schroon Lake - and we had some problems with some counselors who were misrepresenting MacArthur in a slightly different way, but similar to what you're doing. They were bashing Word of Life's methods of evangelism and what the believe about the gospel. As a result of this incident, John MacArthur wrote a letter to set the record straight and say that he fully endorsed Word of Life's evangelistic methods and their understanding of the gospel.

Again, I have first-hand experience with this issue.

So, again, I encourage you to contact Grace To You to find out first-hand for yourself.
 
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Hoffco

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To our fearless leader,Mamma chickadee, I still don't understand your question : Do disp... free w.... "question" God's providence? do they question God's care over this earth OR do they shame our sov. God by their free will? I thing you believe in the sovereignty of God and I think you are saying that disp. and free willers don't believe in the sovereignty of God. Please note carefully the text of titus 3:5-7 , Paul says nothing of faith, faith is not there, we are saved by God's powerful, traNSFORMING GRACE NOT FAITH. (sorry, my crippled finger again) our works add nothing to Jesus blood, or God's grace. faith and works are the gifts of God's power and love which saves us. Again I say, the Bible teaches us, Regeneration and Justification come as the gift of God's unmerited grace. Now, what follows is: faith and works. .therefore as first john teaches, If one does not have good works and faith alone in Jesus .they are not born of God. HOFFCO
 
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djames1958

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To our fearless leader,Mamma chickadee, I still don't understand your question : Do disp... free w.... "question" God's providence? do they question God's care over this earth OR do they shame our sov. God by their free will? I thing you believe in the sovereignty of God and I think you are saying that disp. and free willers don't believe in the sovereignty of God. Please note carefully the text of titus 3:5-7 , Paul says nothing of faith, faith is not there, we are saved by God's powerful, traNSFORMING GRACE NOT FAITH. (sorry, my crippled finger again) our works add nothing to Jesus blood, or God's grace. faith and works are the gifts of God's power and love which saves us. Again I say, the Bible teaches us, Regeneration and Justification come as the gift of God's unmerited grace. Now, what follows is: faith and works. .therefore as first john teaches, If one does not have good works and faith alone in Jesus .they are not born of God. HOFFCO
You seem to be saying something completely different here than before.

The way you have stated it here is that works is the evidence of being saved not the cause of being saved.

I and the others you have said you disagree with do believe that.

Of course we are not saved BY faith - we are saved BY grace THROUGH faith - big difference. Paul told the Philippian jailor that to be saved he must believe - and he was saved BY grace alone, through faith alone - and his first evidential work was that he was baptized.
 
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Hoffco

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djames, wow< i WAS AFRAID THAT mACaRTHER SOULDED TWO FACED, AS i AM COMCERNED ,tHE OTHE DAY HE SAID, SAL/\.IS BY FAITH ALONE. hE IS TRNING FROM HIS STAND HE HAD BEFORE. sorry caps. but I will leave this unedited. Hoffco But if you listen to the old MacArther ,you may see a stronger stand I think John Mac. has some heretic in his church who are in control. I know of a REf. Baptist who worked for John M and anothe Ref.Bap, Pastor Albert Martin Montville Bap Ch, ( great sermons, I cut my teeth on him in the early 60s in Caldwell C&MA ch, where he was outted and started the bap ch.. Ptr. Martin preached at Mac. chand sem. but could not get john to go with him into ref. bap movement , they are a or post mills.. I love that group but they did not think I was smart enough for the ministry the have smeared me for decades. but praise God, God uses me. Hoffco
 
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Hoffco

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djames thanks for seeing the light of my teaching, our response to God's grace is; 1 repent, 2, trust Christ alone 3. do works of repentance. all three are required for our salvation, obedience is not an option in God's plan of sal. these three requirements have always been God's req. for sal..
 
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Mammachickadee

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To our fearless leader,Mamma chickadee, I still don't understand your question : Do disp... free w.... "question" God's providence? do they question God's care over this earth OR do they shame our sov. God by their free will? I thing you believe in the sovereignty of God and I think you are saying that disp. and free willers don't believe in the sovereignty of God. Please note carefully the text of titus 3:5-7 , Paul says nothing of faith, faith is not there, we are saved by God's powerful, traNSFORMING GRACE NOT FAITH. (sorry, my crippled finger again) our works add nothing to Jesus blood, or God's grace. faith and works are the gifts of God's power and love which saves us. Again I say, the Bible teaches us, Regeneration and Justification come as the gift of God's unmerited grace. Now, what follows is: faith and works. .therefore as first john teaches, If one does not have good works and faith alone in Jesus .they are not born of God. HOFFCO
Yes, they question His sovereignty as well.
The very fact that free-will salvation states the requirement of our acceptance of God means that it questions God's provision for our justification by grace alone. So many Christians who believe in free-will salvation are what one might call 4 and 9/10 Calvinists. They want to say they believe it's by God's quickening through the Holy Spirit that our hearts and minds are justified and given spiritual discernment... but they just stop short when they realize that the 5th point of Calvinism denies the elect's ability to reject God. To say that God needs us in any way whatsoever questions His ability to 100% provide. Dispensationalism (very profusely debated lol) gives the impression (to my understanding and opinion) that God had to change His methods to suit the particular "age" He was working with. This questions God's providence because God is not inconsistent... what was good 5 millenea ago is good for today. God provides forgiveness and consequences alike with the same result throughout history: death for disobedience, reward for obedience.
 
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Mammachickadee

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djames, wow< i WAS AFRAID THAT mACaRTHER SOULDED TWO FACED, AS i AM COMCERNED ,tHE OTHE DAY HE SAID, SAL/\.IS BY FAITH ALONE. hE IS TRNING FROM HIS STAND HE HAD BEFORE. sorry caps. but I will leave this unedited. Hoffco But if you listen to the old MacArther ,you may see a stronger stand I think John Mac. has some heretic in his church who are in control. I know of a REf. Baptist who worked for John M and anothe Ref.Bap, Pastor Albert Martin Montville Bap Ch, ( great sermons, I cut my teeth on him in the early 60s in Caldwell C&MA ch, where he was outted and started the bap ch.. Ptr. Martin preached at Mac. chand sem. but could not get john to go with him into ref. bap movement , they are a or post mills.. I love that group but they did not think I was smart enough for the ministry the have smeared me for decades. but praise God, God uses me. Hoffco
Some might say time and experience with the Lord showed him his ignorance (MacArthur).
 
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Hoffco

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LOL. hi Mamma chickadee, To me knowledge of 52 yrs, the disp, I know, would say God made the divisions of time,dispensations, God plan involves everything. many are strict Cal. like Mac A ,but how a good teacher like MacA can be a pre tribber is beyond me,? I listen as he teach on the rapture and He just takes things out of context ,adding what he wants. no good! The only workable ecch. for me is: is pre-Mil. and mid tri,pre wrat or post tri.. MacA seems to be getting weak in old age on his stand on the true Gospel. The Ref. Bap, I was once with have split, but ptr. Albert Martin is worth listening to. Montville Trinity Baptist Church .com or org. Be blessed Hoffco. I need to go down town
 
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djames1958

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djames thanks for seeing the light of my teaching, our response to God's grace is; 1 repent, 2, trust Christ alone 3. do works of repentance. all three are required for our salvation, obedience is not an option in God's plan of sal. these three requirements have always been God's req. for sal..
Don't distort what I said. I said that works are the evidence of salvation NOT the cause.

Abraham is the father of all who believe - i.e., follow his example. "Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness." Therefore, Abraham was righteous before God the moment he believed - after which he did works that evidenced his faith, but did nothing to add to his salvation.

"For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: (Rom 4:2–6.)

It could not be any more clear than that.

If you believe that someone who believes is not saved until he does a work of rightesouness - then how many works must he do to be saved? Can anyone ever know they are saved?

If you are adding works to salvation, you are preaching another gospel - and since Paul wrote Romans 4:5, then his words to the Galatians in 1:9 also apply: "As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed."

Jesus very precisely explained the only "work" involved in salvation is to believe: "Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” (John 6:28-29)

Paul makes it clear in Titus 3:3-7 that God saves us completely apart from works: "But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life."

Lest someone say that he's not talking about salvation coming through faith but only by a regenerating act of God first, Paul continues in verse 8: "This is a faithful saying, and these things I want you to affirm constantly, that those who have believed in God should be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable to men."

Paul couldn't be more clear that those who have believed God should be careful to maintain good works - as this is good and profitable (but does not add to one's salvation - because if it did, Paul would be contradicting himself in so many other places.)

In speaking of the election of Israel, Paul makes it clear that works and grace are antithetical and incompatible: "Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work. (Rom 11:5–6).

If you add works to salvation you are denying that absolute finished work of Christ's substitutionary sacrifice. You are preaching the same gospel as the Pharisees who thought their works were the source of their righteousness - which is true of all who add works to salvation - and one who preaches this will do just as the Pharisees and make their disciples 10 times the sons of hell that they are.

To add works to salvation demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of both sin and salvation, of both grace and faith. (Repentance is just the other side of faith - we turn from ourselves to the Savior - so this is not contradictory.)

Again, this has nothing to do with works following genuine salvation - but works are a result of someone havng a new heart, of being a new creation, of being born again.

To make works a component of salvation is to drive people away from Christ and deceive them to the uttermost.

The biblical testimony is clear and it is understandable why so many separated from such teaching over the years.

And John MacArthur has ALWAYS taught this during his entire ministry - and he would condemn and separate, as well.

I hope and pray that even at this stage in life you will grasp the glorious gospel of salvation which is by grace alone, through faith alone - plus nothing.
 
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Mammachickadee

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LOL. hi Mamma chickadee, To me knowledge of 52 yrs, the disp, I know, would say God made the divisions of time,dispensations, God plan involves everything. many are strict Cal. like Mac A ,but how a good teacher like MacA can be a pre tribber is beyond me,? I listen as he teach on the rapture and He just takes things out of context ,adding what he wants. no good! The only workable ecch. for me is: is pre-Mil. and mid tri,pre wrat or post tri.. MacA seems to be getting weak in old age on his stand on the true Gospel. The Ref. Bap, I was once with have split, but ptr. Albert Martin is worth listening to. Montville Trinity Baptist Church .com or org. Be blessed Hoffco. I need to go down town
MacArthur tends to give exposition while covering all viewpoints. He will share his personal views, but for the most part he systematically goes through various viewpoints. He is a pre tribber; I'm a post tribber. I first came to an appreciation for his teaching when I first heard his series on Perseverence of the Saints. As a young wife and mother trying to find SOMETHING or ANYTHING to study with my husband during our reconciliation this series was an olive branch. We could both study it to gain a better understanding of God and soteriology while finding something to say to those of his family members that claimed to be Christians but believed they had to keep their salvation.
I've had interesting experiences with Trinity Baptist Churches both in Kansas and in SC... and they all have something in common. They are Bible thumpers who lean toward free-will salvation and border on legalism. The ones in Kansas especially were so self-focused that they had no joy in their walk.