Do Evangelicals hate Jesus?

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PennEd

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Anyone who supports someone who repeatedly lies.I am not a sinless perfectionist yet.

Off topic again.
And just how many lies qualify?

And who exactly is to judge when that lie quota has been met?
 
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If a certain group of people advocate for someone who casts truth to the ground repeatedly, does that certain group of people love truth/Jesus?
Are you talking about Hillary? She lied so much, no one could tell if she was telling the truth or not. Your president (whome Jesus and his father told you to respect by the way, because he placed him in leadership over you) was the lesser of two evils..

Yet. Have you even seen what he has done? I find it amazing people slam on him, yet no one knows what he has actually done, My life is much better now.. Anywone who says theirs is not is a liar.
 

notuptome

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More nonsensical ideas. Only unsaved men hate the biblical Jesus. Romans chapter one covers this quite well.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

luigi

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And just how many lies qualify?

And who exactly is to judge when that lie quota has been met?
Are you advocating for a certain lie quota to be OK?
The people of the earth who are not written in the book of life are also going to love/advocate for the beasts mouth (Revelation 13:8 and Daniel 7, aka the little horn in Daniel 8:12, who casts truth to the ground when he comes around.
I guess for these people truth doesn't matter, so long as the prosperity of the beasts system is flowing.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Daniel 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
 

luigi

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Are you talking about Hillary? She lied so much, no one could tell if she was telling the truth or not. Your president (whome Jesus and his father told you to respect by the way, because he placed him in leadership over you) was the lesser of two evils..

Yet. Have you even seen what he has done? I find it amazing people slam on him, yet no one knows what he has actually done, My life is much better now.. Anywone who says theirs is not is a liar.
I agree that the economic situation does appear to be getting better.
I also believe most politicians to be liars, with self interest their main objective.
These facts, however, have little to do with someone who claims to believe in Christ who is truth, wholeheartedly advocating for someone who lies repeatedly. These are contradicting.
 

Magenta

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Are you advocating for a certain lie quota to be OK?
I doubt it very much. It seems obvious that Ed was asking you at what point YOU think a liar should not be supported, given that all men lie. Given that all men lie, which would include you, at what point should you be completely rejected because you are a liar? At what point should we call anyone who supports you, a Jesus hater?
 
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Trump does not even take a salary as president. Every quarter he donates his $400,000.00 to a charitable cause. If that isn't evil, I don't know what is! /sarc
 
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I agree that the economic situation does appear to be getting better.
I also believe most politicians to be liars, with self interest their main objective.
These facts, however, have little to do with someone who claims to believe in Christ who is truth, wholeheartedly advocating for someone who lies repeatedly. These are contradicting.
to be honest, with this as your guideline, we would have to not advocate ANY politian.

Nor could you watch any Network news broadcast. As they are spreader of lies.

And to say evangelicals hate Jesus because they support the lesser of two evils, is just quite frankly, evil itself.
 

luigi

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I doubt it very much. It seems obvious that Ed was asking you at what point YOU think a liar should not be supported, given that all men lie. Given that all men lie, which would include you, at what point should you be completely rejected because you are a liar?
I am not rejecting any politician, since the Lord has OK'd their being in office. I am just not advocating for anyone who stomps all over truth daily.
 

luigi

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And to say evangelicals hate Jesus because they support the lesser of two evils, is just quite frankly, evil itself.
Try not to twist my statements; I did not say Evangelicals hate Jesus because they support the lesser of two evils. I questioned whether Evangelicals (and others) who wholeheartedly advocate for someone they know to be a pathological liar, means their hating Christ who is truth?
 

Magenta

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I am not rejecting any politician, since the Lord has OK'd their being in office. I am just not advocating for anyone who stomps all over truth daily.
Since the Lord has OK'd Trump's ascendency to the highest office in America, how does Christians supporting him in any way make them "Jesus haters" according to you, when they are aligning themselves with the will of God?

Seems you have just defeated your own argument :giggle:
 

luigi

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Since the Lord has OK'd Trump's ascendency to the highest office in America, how does Christians supporting him in any way make them "Jesus haters" according to you, when they are aligning themselves with the will of God?

Seems you have just defeated your own argument :giggle:
Below is a copy from my previous post to answer why one should not advocate for a certain type of individual, even though the Lord will have OK'd that individual to reign.


Post #66: The people of the earth who are not written in the book of life are also going to love/advocate for the beasts mouth (Revelation 13:8 and Daniel 7, aka the little horn in Daniel 8:12, who casts truth to the ground when he comes around.
I guess for these people truth doesn't matter, so long as the prosperity of the beasts system is flowing.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Daniel 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
 

Magenta

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Below is a copy from my previous post to answer why one should not advocate for a certain type of individual, even though the Lord will have OK'd that individual to reign.

Post #66: The people of the earth who are not written in the book of life are also going to love/advocate for the beasts mouth (Revelation 13:8 and Daniel 7, aka the little horn in Daniel 8:12, who casts truth to the ground when he comes around.
I guess for these people truth doesn't matter, so long as the prosperity of the beasts system is flowing.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Daniel 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
Are you saying Trump is a mouthpiece for the beast of Revelation? Trump stands against a one world government, you know.
 

Hevosmies

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Below is a copy from my previous post to answer why one should not advocate for a certain type of individual, even though the Lord will have OK'd that individual to reign.


Post #66: The people of the earth who are not written in the book of life are also going to love/advocate for the beasts mouth (Revelation 13:8 and Daniel 7, aka the little horn in Daniel 8:12, who casts truth to the ground when he comes around.
I guess for these people truth doesn't matter, so long as the prosperity of the beasts system is flowing.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Daniel 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
Are you now suggesting Trump's presidency is the beast of revelation? ....... Ridicilous and absurd. He is MORE for christian values than the previous President was. NOT SAYING Trump is a christian, but his values are more christian than the one before him.

And the quote from Daniel? Are you serious? What sacrifices has to do with Trump?

You are in a theological wasteland my friend.

Trump is AGAINST globalism..... he is the furthest thing from beast of revelation. Keep on truckin'
 

luigi

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Since the Lord has OK'd Trump's ascendency to the highest office in America, how does Christians supporting him in any way make them "Jesus haters" according to you, when they are aligning themselves with the will of God?

Seems you have just defeated your own argument :giggle:
I also now have a couple of questions for you; I previously sent you a scripture from Revelation 22:15 about how they who love lies will be outside in the dark. Would you agree that most if not all pathological liars would fall into the category of loving and making lies?
And if your answer is yes; would they who wholeheartedly advocate for these types of individuals find themselves also outside?

Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
 

luigi

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Are you saying Trump is a mouthpiece for the beast of Revelation? Trump stands against a one world government, you know.
I did not say Trump is a mouthpiece for the beast. I am trying to stick to the topic on whether people who advocate for lies hate Jesus, who is truth?
 

luigi

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Are you now suggesting Trump's presidency is the beast of revelation? ....... Ridicilous and absurd. He is MORE for christian values than the previous President was. NOT SAYING Trump is a christian, but his values are more christian than the one before him.

And the quote from Daniel? Are you serious? What sacrifices has to do with Trump?

You are in a theological wasteland my friend.

Trump is AGAINST globalism..... he is the furthest thing from beast of revelation. Keep on truckin'
The topic is about whether they who claim to be Christian, but who advocate for lies, hate Christ who is truth?
The people who worship/love the beasts mouth who casts truth to the ground will likewise advocate for whoever that individual may be. And according to the data in Daniel, he will be a pathological liar.
 

trofimus

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Christians should not affiliate themselves with wordly politicians who are mostly liars, adulterers, who want to rule over others, who pretend Christianity just to be elected etc.

On the other hand, when some Christians do that, I do not think it must automatically mean they hate truth or Christ. They can just choose smaller evil or they can be just fleshy/wordly.