Do I have to like the Jews?

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You are absolutely vile Jaume. You have just called me an anti-Semite, and when I called you out on it, you simply reiterated the slur.

I find you the lowest of the low, and I am sure all the minions will now come running to back you up.




It is hypocrytical to stress the "hatred" of one people while the entire world right now is filled with relentless hatreds of all peoples by that element that occurs in all men.......the influence of Satan.

Love all people, even our enemies because Jesus teaches us to do so. Not only are we to love all people , including our enemies, we are to pray for them, for their salvation.

Having travelled in many cultures and nations I have experienced how people are identical in so many ways except religion, culture and local prejudices, yet they all want the same things..........those who believe have an earnest desire to please their Maker........God knows who they are, and I can say with some experince there are very few who rise above their prejudices.

Praise God, and do dHis Word. If all did this, they would not have any question about loving the Jews. Loving anyone for that matter.......
 

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Jesus had been born in a Jewish colony that was subordinate to the Roman Empire.
“He came unto his own,” it says in John 1:11, “and his own received him not.”

The Jews rejected Jesus and so He turned to the Gentiles instead, [some assume].
But he didn’t! Notice what Jesus said to a Gentile woman in Matthew 15:24:


“I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel”

Jesus said His mission was to reach the house of Israel (not the house of Judah)
and that Israel’s identity (obviously not Judah’s) had become lost.

The Jews did not lose there idenifing mark the Sabbaths, but Isreal had.


Christ’s life was cut short soon after He made that statement—was that mission fulfilled?
Matthew 10:5-6. In that account, Jesus commanded His disciples not to preach the gospel
in Gentile regions (Paul would take care of that—see Acts 18:6), but to go instead to
the “lost sheep” of the house of Israel.

In Jesus’s stead, all the original apostles were sent to the lost sheep of Israel.

This is why, after Acts 11, you read very little about the original 12.
Once they went to the lost sheep of Israel, history lost sight of them.




The Apostle James introduced his epistle: “James, a servant of God and of the
Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.”

James didn’t even address the Gentiles. Nor is his letter exclusively directed at
the house of Judah. His target audience was primarily the tribes of Israel that had
been “scattered abroad” during their Assyrian captivity eight centuries earlier!



It’s one of just three New Testament books (the others are Acts and 3 John)
that abruptly finishes without so much as an “Amen”!
 

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I have called no one any particular slur. If you have understood my posts to say this, perhaps you have soething in your character that convicts you.

As far as I know, I have "called" no one anything other than pointing out the hypocrisy of all mankind.

Paul once made reference to how the Cretans of his time were considered liars. He witnessed to this that it is true. If I point out the hypocrisy of man in claiming to love Jesus Christ yet holding these doubts as to whether or not to love anyone, in this intance the people called jEWS, it is just an observation, and true.

If you believe this is labeling you, personally, an anti-semite, you are reading yourself into the hypocritical compnent of mankind of whom I speak. I was not doing that...

You are absolutely vile Jaume. You have just called me an anti-Semite, and when I called you out on it, you simply reiterated the slur.

I find you the lowest of the low, and I am sure all the minions will now come running to back you up.
 

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Jesus healed a Samaritan leper.
I'm sure he did, John 21:25 (KJV)


And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be
written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books
that should be written. Amen.

but a Samaritan leper, not remember that one event , do you have a bible verses for that?
 
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You are absolutely vile Jaume. You have just called me an anti-Semite, and when I called you out on it, you simply reiterated the slur.

I find you the lowest of the low, and I am sure all the minions will now come running to back you up.
I'm going to put this out there . . .

I pray that everyone comes to the Lord and rejoices in God's saving grace that is afforded only in Jesus Christ. I also support Israel and would defend her with my life should I ever be called to do so. That said, I live among Jews; they are peaceful people who wish no harm to anyone, yet the unmitigated, smug arrogance of many Jews makes it quite difficult to like them, even within their own community. Y'all are free to call me anything you want; as always I'm keeping it real.
 
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Not the converts from Judaism to Christianity or Christians who adopt Jewish customs (nothing wrong with that), but religious Jews. Do I have to love (as in "your neighbor as yourself") that group of non-Christians anymore than any other non-Christian demographic?

[I'm not questioning whether I should support Israel. God made a promise to Abraham and never reneged it]
Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

I do not understand why people think this is first century Roman Empire overthrowing Jerusalem,for the Jews were scattered from off their land,but here the Jews win,and God wins the fight,and also the whole earth is against Israel.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

Joe 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
Joe 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
Joe 3:4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;
Joe 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
Joe 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
Joe 3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.
Joe 3:12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.
Joe 3:13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.
Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
Joe 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
Joe 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

I think it would be a good idea to support the Jews,and Israel,and the Bible does say feed,and clothe your enemies,and love your enemies,and pray for them,so it does not matter if a person is a Christian or not,we still have to love them,and the Bible says follow peace with all people,with holiness,without which no person shall see the Lord.

The Jews after the time of Jesus cannot be blamed for what they did back then,and God said He will bring Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah in the future.
 

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Jesus healed a Samaritan leper.
yes you are right , i found the scriptures. that Jesus did come to heal the sick



12And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were lepers,
which stood afar off:

15And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice
glorified God, 16And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.

17And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?
18 There are not found that returned to give glory to God,


save this stranger.
 
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You are absolutely vile Jaume. You have just called me an anti-Semite, and when I called you out on it, you simply reiterated the slur.

I find you the lowest of the low, and I am sure all the minions will now come running to back you up.
Why,pray tell,would you call him vile? The lowest of the low? Thats pretty damning terms you're throwing around being a new member. He should be defended,there was no call for you saying such nasty things. Whatever you believe.
 
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The Roman soldier's servant?

The Centurion was an Israelite, which I assume brought his servant under Israel's mantle,
in the same way Abraham's household was a household of faith. (Either that or an OT Law brought him under his Master's jurisdiction).

9 When Jesus heard these things, he marvelled at him, and turned him about, and said unto the people that followed him, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
 
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...Most Christian views on the Old Covenant hold that the Old Testament has been superseded or abrogated and replaced with the New Covenant, which is the only one of the biblical covenants that remains valid today. Dual-covenant theology is unique in holding that the Old Covenant or the Bible's Law of Moses remains valid for Jews while the New Covenant only applies to non-Jews or gentiles...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-covenant_theology
People need to ignore this crap. This is not only NOT TRUE (although a select FEW may hold to this) Most people , in fact ALL people I have known do not believe this, They (like ZOne has been told by MANY in this chat room) understand and know that all people of all times have been saved by grace, through the means of faith in God.

If she wants to get her doctrines off wikepedia and not listen to her brothers and sisters. That should tell you alot.
 
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The Samaritans were actually Israelites.

So there you have an early example of anti-semitism, the Jews hating on fellow Israelites.
They were half breads, and shunned by religious jews as non jewish. Because they were stained.
 
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Der! You quote scripture all the time like you have a clue P-All.

Jesus would not have healed the Samaritans unless they were Israelites.



John 4
7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water:.......12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?


where do you get this?
 
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It would seem that some would want to make their own flesh profit, even though Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God said of His own; it profits for nothing.

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
 
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The Centurion was an Israelite, which I assume brought his servant under Israel's mantle,
in the same way Abraham's household was a household of faith. (Either that or an OT Law brought him under his Master's jurisdiction).

9 When Jesus heard these things, he marvelled at him, and turned him about, and said unto the people that followed him, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
He was not exulting or venerating human faith (the imaginations of ones own heart). Without the faith of Christ working in us to both will and do His good pleasure, no man could please God, by believing God. A person must distinguish whose faith as a work is in view.
 

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Where is it written the centurion was an Israelite?
 

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The Centurion was an Israelite

a centurion based in Capernaum was ill. In the Gospel of Luke, the centurion concerned
had a good relationship with the elders of the local Jewish population and had funded the
development of the synagogue in Capernaum, and when he heard that Jesus was in the
locality, he asked the Jewish elders to request healing for his servant.

In the Gospel of Matthew, the centurion makes direct contact with Jesus.
The stories report that Jesus marveled at his faith and restored his servant to health.


when Jesus said this" I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel"

Jesus here does not say that this roman centurion is a Israelite,
but that he had more faith then any from the lost tribes of [Israel].


the elders of the Jews in verse 5 says

5For he loveth [our nation], and he hath built us a synagogue.
He loved the jewish nation, not he loves his nation rome.
He built the Jews a synagogue for there God[not his God].

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A centurion was a professional officer of the Roman army

Centurions had to be literate (to be able to read written orders), have
connections (letters of recommendation), be at least 30 years of age,
and had already served a few years in the military.

8The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come
under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
9For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and
he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
 
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