Do Jews Have a Divine Right in the Promised Land?

[Widdekind]

i perceive, that Pride is impregnating people's minds, without them seeming to notice.

What human, on earth, knows God, knows God's Will, knows God's Plans ?

1 Cor 2​

what is of God saw not even one…​

For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he will confound Him ?​

​

Rom 11​

For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who became His consultant ?
​

Anyone who says "the Jews of nationalist Israel do not represent God" is boasting, that they know God. But, do they ?

The fact remains, the Jews of Israel claim to represent God in heaven; and God in heaven does not seem to be striking them down, as God in heaven could allegedly do, e.g. Ananias & Sapphira in Acts 5.

If God in heaven surprises people on this planet, having (and having had) Wills, Goals, Plans that humans on earth never comprehended... then "gripe" (as it were) to God in heaven.

The fact remains, the Jews occupy Zion, and, by all appearances, they seem to "benefit" from what appears to be Divine-like Blessing.

[HR][/HR]
Separately, abiding facts, logic, & reasoning, Christians can claim, unambiguously, that Israel-by-blood is not the same, as True-Israel-by-faith, according to the Christian canon of sacred Scriptures (e.g. Gal 4, Rom 11). Christians can claim, that they possess sacred Scriptures, which by faith they trust were Inspired by "God in heaven", and according to which supposedly-Inspired Scriptures, the Jews-by-blood are not the same, as True-Jews-by-faith (e.g. Rev 2,3).

Hypothetically, God in heaven could have (1) communicated entirely different messages to Jews vs. Christians; or (2) changed God's own Mind, and now be proceeding per a different "Divine Plan B" (as it were).

i'm not saying that is actually the case -- i don't know. But, who can claim that is not the case, without claiming to know God's Mind ?

i perceive, that Pride is preventing people from appreciating, that they are distinct & different from God in heaven, so that they do not know God in heaven, nor God's Plans -- although, separately, they do possess supposedly-Inspired sacred Scriptures, which seem to say certain things.

• The Jews claim to represent God in heaven, and the seem to "benefit" from Divine-like Blessing
• Christian Scriptures deny, that non-Christian Jews represent True-Israel-by-faith

 

[gentlebreeze]

Wanna try again?

o my sweet in the law we told then the pix of the expand of that paradis all earth so that promised land to all earth was to spread

as Adam was to do so we wer told to do those things we saw all the konkering as pix that the promised land would spred
to be come the all earth

ans so the all earth the all promised land not to konker to hate people but to hate the works of sin in the figure of womb of mankind that borns and spreads sin for in that womb of mankind

we all are formed throw us into it from moment we take in first breath to be shaped bit sin there after what sweet seeing

just a pixure he not understand

 

[cfultz3]

Oh ok then, if you say so, but then you said Drummer Lee Rigby murder in Woolwich was staged and the whole thing was a film set, so I guess that makes you right on everything.

I just had to log in and say: it took you awhile to realize this fundematel fact. Now if we all could just read my signature.

 

[Graybeard]

FACT: he who denies or distorts THOSE FACTS FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD (The Scriptures) is not a Christian

That's a rather harsh statement to make...maybe there are other facts that are needed to be considered, but if a person does not believe in the way you portray the facts, you cannot say they are not a Christian, please show me from Scripture where it says this...how can you even say that? that statement is completely unbiblical...please show me, I really do want to know.

 

[zone]

Oh ok then, if you say so, but then you said Drummer Lee Rigby murder in Woolwich was staged and the whole thing was a film set, so I guess that makes you right on everything.

hardly.
but you don't even know who did 9-11.
and you've 13 years to figure that out.
and it ain't rocket science.
good luck with the rest.

oh wait....you're a zionist.
n.m. then.

official story - 19 crazed topless bar coke snorting cave dwellers expertly brought the USA to it's knees.
even though 46 drills prior to and on the day of 9-11 could have given some genius a clue.
especially the drills that went live (hot).

but you have no idea what i'm talking about.

 

[zone]

which extended their enslavement without a ruler and land for 2520 years. This ended just before 1948, now they have their land back with self rule again.

only a deliberate deceiver goes in with bogus math to reverse-engineer 1948...oh wait....wasn't it 1967?
or....

your 2520 years.

please repost that trick so anyone who missed it can see it again.

 

[zone]

Then by that standard all who deny that God has a Son would also be excluded from Israel because antichrists (including Muslims) are not God's chosen.

1Christianwarrior316

jews deny Jesus Christ = not chosen.

is this really hard for you guys?

 

[zone]

Yes I believe justice will be done but not until we get our house into order.


There is a prophecy concerning how the Muslims are treated today. It fits the current situation.


The people will soon summon one another to attack you as people, when eating, invite others to share their food.”

Someone asked, “Will that be because of our small numbers at that time?”

He replied, “No. You will be numerous at that time: but you will be froth and scum like that carried down by a torrent (of water), and Allah will take the fear of you from the hearts of your enemy and cast al-wahn into your hearts.”

Someone asked, “O Messenger of Allah, what is al-wahn?”

He replied, “Love of this world and hatred of death.”
[An authentic hadith recorded by Abu Dawud and Ahmad]


Froth on water goes where the water leads it and just a small breeze will cause it to disintegrate. It has no substance. The prophet pbuh, when Islam was at the start of its 1000 year golden age, predicted the current state of affairs.


No use looking outside for blame. That is what weak minded people do. The fate of the muslims are in our own hands.


“Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves.” (Qur’an, 13:11)


We have too many hot heads at the moment trying to force a change. Our conditions will not change until we change ourselves. We need to go back to basics and put our trust in God. We need to wake up and return to God.

Though I blame Muslims departure from God for the state we find ourselves, it should not stop me for chasing justice and transparency on the crimes on humanity that are occurring in Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen amongst others.

Islam is a false religion drett - and it got it's juice from Jewish apostasy.
in any case, that fake House of Saud with their fake Islam which the Bushies, Wall Street, France and London's Square Mile just love ought to be everybody's first clue.

Britain and the Rise of Wahhabism and the House of Saud

but, no, instead we like INGSOC and being at war with terrorism. yes, we think we are in a war with a NOUN.

Definition of TERRORISM

: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

it's always worked though.

 

[wdeaton65]

some things never change zone few find the way.
the many are always wrong.
THE WAY THE TRUTH THE LIFE no other way Yeshua JESUS THE LAMB.
Every body has got to enter the same gate!
many false teachers stop the killing. It is good news we are to preach not special people trash. We are all one in HIM!!!

 

[zone]

Ahh. Now I think I understand. You are Muslim. Why did you try to hide that fact from me? See post #175.

hide it from you?
are you asleep?

 

[zone]

Ironic statement to make after the vile conspiracy nut drivel you posted elsewhere on this forum, not forgetting to mention the lies of the crackpot theologies you subscribe to.

ya i know - i disagree with you on everything.
wouldn't have it any other way.
when you're wrong, like you are, you're really really wrong.

ta

 

[zone]

i perceive, that Pride is impregnating people's minds, without them seeming to notice.

What human, on earth, knows God, knows God's Will, knows God's Plans ?

1 Cor 2​

what is of God saw not even one…​

For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he will confound Him ?​

​

Rom 11​

For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who became His consultant ?
​

Anyone who says "the Jews of nationalist Israel do not represent God" is boasting, that they know God. But, do they ?

The fact remains, the Jews of Israel claim to represent God in heaven; and God in heaven does not seem to be striking them down, as God in heaven could allegedly do, e.g. Ananias & Sapphira in Acts 5.

If God in heaven surprises people on this planet, having (and having had) Wills, Goals, Plans that humans on earth never comprehended... then "gripe" (as it were) to God in heaven.

The fact remains, the Jews occupy Zion, and, by all appearances, they seem to "benefit" from what appears to be Divine-like Blessing.

[HR][/HR]
Separately, abiding facts, logic, & reasoning, Christians can claim, unambiguously, that Israel-by-blood is not the same, as True-Israel-by-faith, according to the Christian canon of sacred Scriptures (e.g. Gal 4, Rom 11). Christians can claim, that they possess sacred Scriptures, which by faith they trust were Inspired by "God in heaven", and according to which supposedly-Inspired Scriptures, the Jews-by-blood are not the same, as True-Jews-by-faith (e.g. Rev 2,3).

Hypothetically, God in heaven could have (1) communicated entirely different messages to Jews vs. Christians; or (2) changed God's own Mind, and now be proceeding per a different "Divine Plan B" (as it were).

i'm not saying that is actually the case -- i don't know. But, who can claim that is not the case, without claiming to know God's Mind ?

i perceive, that Pride is preventing people from appreciating, that they are distinct & different from God in heaven, so that they do not know God in heaven, nor God's Plans -- although, separately, they do possess supposedly-Inspired sacred Scriptures, which seem to say certain things.

• The Jews claim to represent God in heaven, and the seem to "benefit" from Divine-like Blessing
• Christian Scriptures deny, that non-Christian Jews represent True-Israel-by-faith

the State of Israel is benefiting from AMERICAN and other WESTERN usurpation.

AIPAC handles that.

 

[zone]

I just had to log in and say: it took you awhile to realize this fundematel fact. Now if we all could just read my signature.

luther is satan.
gotcha.

 

[zone]

That's a rather harsh statement to make...maybe there are other facts that are needed to be considered, but if a person does not believe in the way you portray the facts, you cannot say they are not a Christian, please show me from Scripture where it says this...how can you even say that? that statement is completely unbiblical...please show me, I really do want to know.

if you care to, go back to the poster's ludicrous math...then find my post, which shows the 3 promises made to Israel were actually promises made to Christ.

all fulfilled.

Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.

and what's this? do you know?

does Paul tell anyone to look to earthly Jerusalem?
what does he say about it?


Galatians 4 c. 54 AD
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,

“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.

 

[Agricola]

ya i know - i disagree with you on everything.
wouldn't have it any other way.
when you're wrong, like you are, you're really really wrong.

ta

LOL

 

[zone]

some things never change zone few find the way.
the many are always wrong.
THE WAY THE TRUTH THE LIFE no other way Yeshua JESUS THE LAMB.
Every body has got to enter the same gate!
many false teachers stop the killing. It is good news we are to preach not special people trash. We are all one in HIM!!!

oh i know.

all the scoffing and mocking....they never once think for a moment they're ridiculed and laughed at by TPTB as they crowd the streets of Boston cheering USA USA with their arms in the air - PAPERS PLEASE - under Martial Law....because a teenager is on the run and 10,000 swat cops and military are needed. uh-huh.

The Fuller CIA Link

The discovery of the connection between a very, very senior CIA man, Graham Fuller, to the uncle of the accused Boston bombers was more than a bit embarrassing for Fuller. He took what for a professional CIA agent was an extraordinary step of issuing a public denial. In an exclusive interview on what reportedly is a CIA-linked website, “Back Channel—Al-Monitor,” Fuller hurriedly denounced media links of his CIA connection to the bombers’ uncle: “…possible connections between Ruslan and the Agency through me are absurd.” [2] Fuller then went on to admit, “Samantha was married to Ruslan Tsarnaev (Tsarni) for 3-4 years…They also lived in our house in [Maryland] for a year or so…” [3]

Fuller went on to claim Ruslan was “homesick” for Chechnya, and that his English was “shaky,” yet after the Boston bombings, a very English-fluent Ruslan gave a press conference from his posh Maryland home denouncing his nephews.

The central question is who is Graham Fuller? The answer turns out to be that he was perhaps if not THE most instrumental, one of the most instrumental people inside the CIA during the 1980’s who convinced CIA Director Bill Casey and the Reagan Administration to recruit fundamentalist Muslim Salafists or Jihadists from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and elsewhere, train them in techniques of guerilla insurgency and send them against the Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. They were called Mujahideen. [4] One of the more famous of those Mujahideen was a young Saudi from a very wealthy family named Osama bin Laden. In a sense then we might call Graham Fuller the “Godfather of Al Qaeda.”

Graham Fuller, Uncle Ruslan, the CIA and the Boston Bombings | Part I < click


oh dear....busted again.



no wil, patriotism/nationalism easily usurps Jesus.

they just put the flags on a stage and the Prez makes a speech about getting to the bottom of it all...bringing the evil-doers to justice and the like.

these same guys laughed when i posted about Benghazi being an inside job.....but

oopsie....wouldn't ya know? it was.

yawn.

 

[zone]

LOL

could you say a word or two on this insane conspiracy theory?
if you need help, i can take you all the way.
or, you could carry on as you do.

you have to. i know. it's hard when you're on the wrong side of truth.

oh i know.

all the scoffing and mocking....they never once think for a moment they're ridiculed and laughed at by TPTB as they crowd the streets of Boston cheering USA USA with their arms in the air - PAPERS PLEASE - under Martial Law....because a teenager is on the run and 10,000 swat cops and military are needed. uh-huh.

The Fuller CIA Link

The discovery of the connection between a very, very senior CIA man, Graham Fuller, to the uncle of the accused Boston bombers was more than a bit embarrassing for Fuller. He took what for a professional CIA agent was an extraordinary step of issuing a public denial. In an exclusive interview on what reportedly is a CIA-linked website, “Back Channel—Al-Monitor,” Fuller hurriedly denounced media links of his CIA connection to the bombers’ uncle: “…possible connections between Ruslan and the Agency through me are absurd.” [2] Fuller then went on to admit, “Samantha was married to Ruslan Tsarnaev (Tsarni) for 3-4 years…They also lived in our house in [Maryland] for a year or so…” [3]

Fuller went on to claim Ruslan was “homesick” for Chechnya, and that his English was “shaky,” yet after the Boston bombings, a very English-fluent Ruslan gave a press conference from his posh Maryland home denouncing his nephews.

The central question is who is Graham Fuller? The answer turns out to be that he was perhaps if not THE most instrumental, one of the most instrumental people inside the CIA during the 1980’s who convinced CIA Director Bill Casey and the Reagan Administration to recruit fundamentalist Muslim Salafists or Jihadists from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and elsewhere, train them in techniques of guerilla insurgency and send them against the Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. They were called Mujahideen. [4] One of the more famous of those Mujahideen was a young Saudi from a very wealthy family named Osama bin Laden. In a sense then we might call Graham Fuller the “Godfather of Al Qaeda.”

Graham Fuller, Uncle Ruslan, the CIA and the Boston Bombings | Part I < click


oh dear....busted again.



no wil, patriotism/nationalism easily usurps Jesus.

they just put the flags on a stage and the Prez makes a speech about getting to the bottom of it all...bringing the evil-doers to justice and the like.

these same guys laughed when i posted about Benghazi being an inside job.....but

oopsie....wouldn't ya know? it was.

yawn.

 

[cfultz3]

luther is satan.
gotcha.

and you have prove of this? If not, why would you even say such a thing of another human?

 

[Agricola]

could you say a word or two on this insane conspiracy theory?
if you need help, i can take you all the way.
or, you could carry on as you do.

you have to. i know. it's hard when you're on the wrong side of truth.

Insane conspiracy... LOL we are talking about a chapter or two from Bible with basic math thrown in, not one of your crazy cuckoo land tinfoil hat conspiracies, which are definitely in the insane conspiracy league. You may stumble on one or two things that maybe worth thinking about, but in general anyone who believes most of what you post, should check themselves into a mental health clinic to evaluate their mental state.

In support of my point, one of the vile twisted and sick conspiracies zone subscribes to is that the murder of Drummer Lee Rigby was faked, rigged and staged and it is obvious how the whole area is one giant film set. After posting that nonsense, Zone, any ounce of credibility you still had left has now been lost.

 

[zone]

Insane conspiracy... LOL we are talking about a chapter or two from Bible with basic math thrown in, not one of your crazy cuckoo land tinfoil hat conspiracies, which are definitely in the insane conspiracy league. You may stumble on one or two things that maybe worth thinking about, but in general anyone who believes most of what you post, should check themselves into a mental health clinic to evaluate their mental state.

In support of my point, one of the vile twisted and sick conspiracies zone subscribes to is that the murder of Drummer Lee Rigby was faked, rigged and staged and it is obvious how the whole area is one giant film set. After posting that nonsense, Zone, any ounce of credibility you still had left has now been lost.

no, no.....i thought you might skip over it.

i asked if you could comment on this:

The Fuller CIA Link

The discovery of the connection between a very, very senior CIA man, Graham Fuller, to the uncle of the accused Boston bombers was more than a bit embarrassing for Fuller. He took what for a professional CIA agent was an extraordinary step of issuing a public denial. In an exclusive interview on what reportedly is a CIA-linked website, “Back Channel—Al-Monitor,” Fuller hurriedly denounced media links of his CIA connection to the bombers’ uncle: “…possible connections between Ruslan and the Agency through me are absurd.” [2] Fuller then went on to admit, “Samantha was married to Ruslan Tsarnaev (Tsarni) for 3-4 years…They also lived in our house in [Maryland] for a year or so…” [3]

Fuller went on to claim Ruslan was “homesick” for Chechnya, and that his English was “shaky,” yet after the Boston bombings, a very English-fluent Ruslan gave a press conference from his posh Maryland home denouncing his nephews.

The central question is who is Graham Fuller? The answer turns out to be that he was perhaps if not THE most instrumental, one of the most instrumental people inside the CIA during the 1980’s who convinced CIA Director Bill Casey and the Reagan Administration to recruit fundamentalist Muslim Salafists or Jihadists from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and elsewhere, train them in techniques of guerilla insurgency and send them against the Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. They were called Mujahideen. [4] One of the more famous of those Mujahideen was a young Saudi from a very wealthy family named Osama bin Laden. In a sense then we might call Graham Fuller the “Godfather of Al Qaeda.”

Graham Fuller, Uncle Ruslan, the CIA and the Boston Bombings | Part I < click



Agricola....let's keep it simple.
i don't need you to think i have any credibility.
as tough as it might sound, i don't care what you think.
okay bud?

k...thx then.

please comment on the above story and what you know about all the links.
looking forward to it...perhaps over in Misc?