Do we decide to be saved?
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It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?”But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ” Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
Not only that, but Rebekah’s children were conceived at the same time by our father Isaac. Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses,“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
Faulty illustration.
Now, can you answer the questions instead of offering a diversion? Or, are you taking this text and distorting it to support that people save themselves? (hint: this text is not speaking of eternal salvation/conversion.)
Just answer the question, or, go study it out in context for the answer. If you don't know, that is OK too, but enough with the diversions, pride, and error.
Here is the question(s) again:
Answer the above and thank you.
Now, can you answer the questions instead of offering a diversion? Or, are you taking this text and distorting it to support that people save themselves? (hint: this text is not speaking of eternal salvation/conversion.)
Just answer the question, or, go study it out in context for the answer. If you don't know, that is OK too, but enough with the diversions, pride, and error.
Here is the question(s) again:
So we save ourselves, and save others who hear us? I think you know better than that. What is the text really saying then? 
You're being disingenuous in the above. No one is saying the person is or was physically dead. You're purposefully conflating things.
...as for you, you were dead... Ephesians 2:1. In this state none can come to God unless God grants it to them; John 6:65. None are capable of doing so in their spiritually dead state. Note Ephesians 1:19; John 6:44 &c.
...as for you, you were dead... Ephesians 2:1. In this state none can come to God unless God grants it to them; John 6:65. None are capable of doing so in their spiritually dead state. Note Ephesians 1:19; John 6:44 &c.
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
All men are drawn, but only those that believe are saved. Over and over Scripture says to believe. Believe upon the name of the Lord...if God has chosen those to believe, then the individual had no choice in the matter, thus it is not the individual believing upon the gospel.
All men are drawn, but only those that believe are saved. Over and over Scripture says to believe. Believe upon the name of the Lord...if God has chosen those to believe, then the individual had no choice in the matter, thus it is not the individual believing upon the gospel.
Well, are all men drawn to Jesus? The answer would be, No! Jesus also said, "no man can come to me except the Father draws him," which would infer that God does not call everyone. And I knew that there would be people who would say "then the individual had no choice in the matter" which is why I posted the following:
"One of you will say to me (John146): “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?”But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ” Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
"One of you will say to me (John146): “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?”But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ” Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
HeRoseFromTheDead, Here you go, one last time. Now, either answer the direct questions concerning the text, and answer what it means.
Either you believe you save yourself (eternal salvation/conversion wise) or the text means something else.
Either answer this, or just post your nonsense and show you: 1) Hold to error; 2) Do not know the answer; 3) Are too proud to concede and learn what the text means.
Here you go again:
Faulty illustration.
Now, can you answer the questions instead of offering a diversion? Or, are you taking this text and distorting it to support that people save themselves? (hint: this text is not speaking of eternal salvation/conversion.)
Just answer the question, or, go study it out in context for the answer. If you don't know, that is OK too, but enough with the diversions, pride, and error.
Here is the question(s) again:
Answer the above and thank you.
Either you believe you save yourself (eternal salvation/conversion wise) or the text means something else.
Either answer this, or just post your nonsense and show you: 1) Hold to error; 2) Do not know the answer; 3) Are too proud to concede and learn what the text means.
Here you go again:
Faulty illustration.
Now, can you answer the questions instead of offering a diversion? Or, are you taking this text and distorting it to support that people save themselves? (hint: this text is not speaking of eternal salvation/conversion.)
Just answer the question, or, go study it out in context for the answer. If you don't know, that is OK too, but enough with the diversions, pride, and error.
Here is the question(s) again:
So we save ourselves, and save others who hear us? I think you know better than that. What is the text really saying then?
For those of you who think that it is mankind's decision to be saved vs. God's Sovereign choice, tell me, what do you think of the following scripture:
"The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come."
"The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come."
Yes, all men are drawn, either through preaching, witnessing or even God's creation. All men start out with a knowledge of God. Be careful of making inferences. Yes, God must draw a person first, then it is the person's choice to believe or reject. Many have resisted His will. I resist His will for my life almost daily. Calvinist love this verse to make it fit their theology, but it just doesn't fit.