Do we Have to Believe the Doctrines the Apostles Taught in Order to get to Heaven?
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Really? You instruct others to answer yes or no before elaborating on their position yet do you?
If one is saved by faith being the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen so then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
"....that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live." Deut 8:3
And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. Mark 11:22
Matt 4:4
If one is saved by faith being the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen so then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
"....that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live." Deut 8:3
And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. Mark 11:22
Matt 4:4
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Actually, he kind of did ( by this I refer to the disrespect and scorn he received during his death and not the physical torture). He died so that we might be redeemed, but he sacrificed himself for all, knowing full well that many would mock him, blaspheme, and continue to reject him. He died for those who were carrying out his crucifixion.
This disrespect has continued long after his death. Even while he was on the cross, he had to endure scorn. He died for those scorning him. The worst thing is that those of us who have been saved have still sinned after our conversion. That is really sad and sobering if you consider that. So I would contend that he died for us knowing full well that humans would continue to disappoint him. I'm not disagreeing with your sentiment but more with your wording.
I do get the point you are trying to make though. He shed his blood to redeem us. We aren't to treat that sacrifice lightly and dismiss his instructions or pick and choose what parts of scripture we like ( that is a general statement and not directed at anyone in this thread).
This disrespect has continued long after his death. Even while he was on the cross, he had to endure scorn. He died for those scorning him. The worst thing is that those of us who have been saved have still sinned after our conversion. That is really sad and sobering if you consider that. So I would contend that he died for us knowing full well that humans would continue to disappoint him. I'm not disagreeing with your sentiment but more with your wording.
I do get the point you are trying to make though. He shed his blood to redeem us. We aren't to treat that sacrifice lightly and dismiss his instructions or pick and choose what parts of scripture we like ( that is a general statement and not directed at anyone in this thread).
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Here are some verses about those who believed in His name and not the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ.
His "name" is not just the written Phrase "Jesus Christ" His "name" means the Person of Jesus Christ and what He did For us.
Matt 7~~21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
They practice lawlessness, by trying to do it in their own power. Looks good to all of us, sounds good to all of us............But the Lord Jesus Christ NEVER knew them. But they sure tried to imitate Him and do 'good' deeds for Him.
His "name" is not just the written Phrase "Jesus Christ" His "name" means the Person of Jesus Christ and what He did For us.
Matt 7~~21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
They practice lawlessness, by trying to do it in their own power. Looks good to all of us, sounds good to all of us............But the Lord Jesus Christ NEVER knew them. But they sure tried to imitate Him and do 'good' deeds for Him.
There's no need to add to what the scriptures say. What do the scriptures, that you've placed in all caps, say? One shouldn't have to add to the scriptures to fit a specific doctrine. That's call leavening. The scriptures can stand on their own.
ἀνομίαν. = Anomian = a (not/without) + nomos (law)
Feel free to look up the Strongs as well as helpbible.com
ἀνομίαν. = Anomian = a (not/without) + nomos (law)
Feel free to look up the Strongs as well as helpbible.com
A person is given understanding and belief of the doctrines the Apostles taught on their way to Heaven.
Do they have to believe and understand all the doctrines the Apostles taught in order to go to Heaven? That is up to the Lord and Him Alone.
John 3:27 [FONT="]John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
Its so much easier to be grateful when you understand where your blessings come from. If you don't understand then you probably aren't grateful.[/FONT]
Do they have to believe and understand all the doctrines the Apostles taught in order to go to Heaven? That is up to the Lord and Him Alone.
John 3:27 [FONT="]John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
Its so much easier to be grateful when you understand where your blessings come from. If you don't understand then you probably aren't grateful.[/FONT]
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The doctrines of the apostles were all from God. If you are truly a believer,you must believe that their words were inspired by God. Remember, they were transformed men. If you read paul's epistles well you will see where he was telling his audience that his teachings were received directly from God,except where he asked few things from Peter. Remember the words of paul" imitate me for,I am an ambassador of christ" Let me conclude with this question, do we then say that paul had blasphemed by telling us to imitate him instead of Christ?
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For crying out loud, read the verses. They were prophesying in His NAME. They were casting out demons in His NAME. They were Doing miracles in His NAME. And the Lord Jesus Christ said that he NEVER knew them and called them lawless.
They were doing it through their OWN power and not through the Holy Spirit........LAWLESSNESS.
Feel free to stop trying to do it on your own.
They were doing it through their OWN power and not through the Holy Spirit........LAWLESSNESS.
Feel free to stop trying to do it on your own.
Yes because it's not their doctrine- scripture is God's doctrine. "All scripture is God-breathed." It comes from His mouth. If I write as a secretary what my boss dictates, are they my words or his? His, I'm just typing what he's saying.
"They worship Me in vain- teaching as doctrine the commands of men." The only doctrine we are to follow is the Bible, not manmade writings such as the Watch Tower, or Catholic commands. We must obey the Bible only- which is of God not of the apostles who wrote down what He commanded them to. (Matthew 28:20)
"They worship Me in vain- teaching as doctrine the commands of men." The only doctrine we are to follow is the Bible, not manmade writings such as the Watch Tower, or Catholic commands. We must obey the Bible only- which is of God not of the apostles who wrote down what He commanded them to. (Matthew 28:20)
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