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phil36

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“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me” John 10:27.

The term “sola Scriptura” or “the Bible alone” is a short phrase that represents the simple truth that there is only one special revelation from God that man possesses today, the written Scriptures or the Bible. Scripture states this concept repeatedly and emphatically. The very phrase “It is written” means exclusively transcribed, and not hearsay. The command to believe what is written means to believe only the pure word of God. What is at stake before the All Holy God is His incorruptible truth.

In the very last commandment in the Bible God resolutely tells us not to add to nor take away from His Word.

“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book”
—Revelation 22:18-19

His Word is absolutely sufficient in itself (Psalm 119:160).

The Biblical message breathed out by God is revelation in written form. (2 Timothy 3:15-16). The Biblical claim is that what God has inspired was His written word (2 Peter 1:20-21). When the Lord Jesus Christ said, “the Scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35), He was speaking of God’s written word. The events, actions, commandments, and truths from God are given to us in propositional form, i.e. logical, written sentences. God’s declaration in Scripture is that it and it alone, is this final authority in all matters of faith and morals.

Thus, there is only one written source from God, and there is only one basis of truth for the Lord’s people in the Church.

Affirmed by Jesus Christ
The Lord Jesus Christ, Himself, identified truth with the written Word. In His great, high priestly prayer, He said, “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” This was consistent with the declarations right through the Old Testament in which the Holy Spirit continually proclaims that the revelation from God is truth, as for example Psalm 119:142, “thy law is truth.” There is no source other than Scripture alone to which such a statement applies. That source alone, the Holy Scripture, is the believer’s standard of truth.

In the New Testament, it is the written word of God, and that alone, to which the Lord Jesus Christ and His apostles refer as the final authority. In the temptation, the Lord Jesus three times resisted Satan, saying, “It is written” as for example, in Matthew 4:4, “he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” In stating “It is written,” the Lord used the exact same phrase that is used in the Holy Bible forty six times. The persistence of the repeated phrase underlines its importance. The Lord’s total acceptance of the authority of the Old Testament is evident in His words found in Matthew 5:17-18:

“Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I am not come to destroy but to fulfill. For verily, I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled.”

Other sources of authority condemned
People often attempt to give human traditions higher authority than God’s Word. This was true of the Jews of Jesus’ day. In refuting the errors of the Sadducees, the Scripture records the Lord saying, “Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God” (Matthew 22:29). Christ Jesus continually castigated and rebuked the Pharisees because they made their traditions on a par with the Word of God—corrupting the very basis of truth by equating their traditions with God’s Word. So He declared to them in Mark 7:13 “You are making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such things do ye.” Since Scripture alone is inspired, it alone is the ultimate authority, and it alone is the final judge of Tradition.

The Word of the Lord says as a commandment in Proverbs 30:5-6:

“Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.”

God commands that we are not to add to His Word: this command shows emphatically that it is God’s Word alone that is pure and uncontaminated.

Aligned with Proverbs, the Lord’s strong, clear declaration in Isaiah 8:20 is: “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” The truth is this: since God’s written word alone is inspired, it and it alone is the sole rule of faith. It cannot be otherwise.

How is Scripture to be accurately interpreted?
The principle of “sola Scriptura” is basic to accurate interpretation of Scripture. Psalm 36:9 explains, “For with thee is the fountain of life; in thy light we see light.” God’s truth is seen in the light of God’s truth. The Apostle Paul said the same thing, “Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth but which the Holy Ghost teacheth, comparing spiritual things with spiritual” (I Corinthians 2:13). It is precisely in the light which God’s truth sheds, that His truth is seen. (Cp. John 3:18-21, II Corinthians 4:3-7).

The Apostle Peter, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, declares, “knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation. For prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost” (2 Peter 1:20-21). Logically then, Peter makes it very clear that in order to maintain the purity of Holy God’s written word, the source of interpretation must be from the same pure source as the origin of the Scripture itself.

Scripture can only be understood correctly in the light of Scripture, since it alone is uncorrupted. It is only with the Holy Spirit’s light that Scripture can be comprehended correctly. The Holy Spirit causes those who are the Lord’s to understand Scripture (John 14:16-17, 26). Since the Spirit does this by Scripture, obviously, it is in accord with the principle that Scripture itself is the infallible rule of interpretation of its own truth “it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth” (I John 5:6).

If you want to be true to God in this important matter, follow His instruction, “Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you” (Proverbs 1:23). If you are yearning for truth in the attitude of Psalm 51:17 “with a broken and a contrite heart”, the Lord God will not despise you. He will reveal to the basic foundation where the Lord Christ Jesus stood, as did the apostles.

Is Scripture alone adequate, or do we need more?
The total sufficiency of Scripture is declared by the Apostle Paul,

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”
—2 Timothy 3:16-17

For final truth and authority, all that we need is the Scripture.

What about the claim that sola Scriptura is not possible?

In an attempt to justify traditions as being of equal or higher authority than Scripture, an appeal is often made to the very last verse in John’s gospel,

“And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.”
—John 21:25

Of course, there were many deeds and sayings of the Lord not recorded in Scripture. Nonetheless, Scripture is the authoritative record that Holy God has given His people. We do not have a single sentence that is authoritatively from the Lord, outside of what is in the written word. To appeal to a tradition for authority, when Holy God did not give it, is futile. The idea that somehow sayings and events from the Lord have been recorded in tradition is simply not true.

Another attempt to justify tradition, is the statement that the early church did not have the New Testament. The Apostle Peter speaks about the writings of the Apostle Paul when he states,

“…even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.”
—2 Peter 3:15-16

Peter also declares that he was writing so that the believers could remember what he said. So he wrote, “Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth” (2 Peter 1:12).

From the earliest days of Christianity, a substantial part of the New Testament was available. Under the inspiration of the Lord, the Apostle Paul commands his letters to be read in other churches besides those to which they were sent. This clearly shows that the written word of God was being circulated even as the Apostles lived. The Lord’s command to believe what is written has always been something that the believers could obey and did obey. In this matter we must have the humility commanded in the Scripture not to think above what is written. “…that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another” (1 Corinthians 4:6).

Truth, God’s Word, and our love for Him
The Lord brings the topic of truth to bear on our love for Him. This again underscores its importance. “Jesus answered and said to him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings; and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent Me” (John 14:23-24). And then again “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words shall not pass away” (Matthew 24:35).

The Lord himself looked to the authority of the Scriptures alone, as did His apostles after Him. They confirmed the very message of the Old Testament. “The law of the LORD is perfect” (Psalm 19:7). The believer is to be true to the way of the Lord, holding alone to what is written: “Thy Word is truth.”

 

VW

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again, you equate what i say with denigrating the scripture. i agree the the scripture is the written word of god.

i do not agree that a person can read the bible and know god.

i do not believe that our faith stands on the scripture.

i do not believe that the authority for our faith is in the scripture.

i was taught what is in your oh so good sounding article above, and it nearly cost me my soul.

if you have the spirit in the mix, as the end all of the truth, then yes, the scripture is authoritative.

but just because some learned man reads and interprets the scripture a certain way, and tells me that this is the truth of god does not make it so. he might be wrong.

i understand scripture by and from the holy spirit. above it is stated that the scripture explains the scripture, and then as an aside, credit is given to the spirit, saying that he only explains scripture by scripture. this leaves out completely the fact of the holy spirit's work of revealing truth, and makes it to appear that the only tool the holy spirit will ever use is scripture.

when john received the revelation, and placed the admonition to not add or take away from the book, the bible did not even exist, and one of the most read book by the early church was enoch, which is not even is the bible.

use the scripture as you want.

goodby
 
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1still_waters

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So at the end of the day everyone agrees you need both the scripture and the working of the Holy Spirit. Don't see what all the disagreein is about.
 
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when paul wrote that letter to timothy, there was not a bible in existence.

the bible did not come about as we know it for another two centuries.

every christian could benefit by living filled with the holy spirit.

yes, read your bible, but seek to be in jesus christ above all things.
Peace be to you
Where do you get your info?
duet;
And it shall be on the day when ye shall pass over Jordan unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, that thou shalt set thee up great stones, and plaster them with plaster:
And thou shalt write upon them all the words of this law, when thou art passed over, that thou mayest go in unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, a land that floweth with milk and honey; as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee.
Therefore it shall be when ye be gone over Jordan, that ye shall set up these stones, which I command you this day, in mount Ebal, and thou shalt plaster them with plaster.
And thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this law very plainly.
acks;
This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
luke;
And Jesus came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
There are clickable links in this post.
heb;
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Reading the bible is good,you should start vw

Love a friend in God
 
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lil-rush

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So at the end of the day everyone agrees you need both the scripture and the working of the Holy Spirit. Don't see what all the disagreein is about.
^ this.

/end thread :)
 

pickles

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That was perfect pickles, That is why I alway call Scripture "The Living Word" it is not just paper and ink.

It is what feeds us, the living word. we can read all small part or a large part in one day but it has fed us spiritually for that day.. amen.

It is the Authority on all matters of Faith also.

What you said is spot on, but the debate with VW is not about that. re read post #9, thats the real issue.

in Love

Phil.
I see what you are saying.
But remember, the Holy Spirit works in each heart and mind as is needed and willed by God Our Father.
God bless, pickles
 
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kujo313

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when paul wrote that letter to timothy, there was not a bible in existence.

the bible did not come about as we know it for another two centuries.

every christian could benefit by living filled with the holy spirit.

yes, read your bible, but seek to be in jesus christ above all things.

Not a Bible, true. Scripture (Old Testament) was around, though. Paul opened the eyes of the people by revealiing Christ into the Law and Prophets.
 

phil36

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again, you equate what i say with denigrating the scripture. i agree the the scripture is the written word of god.

i do not agree that a person can read the bible and know god.

i do not believe that our faith stands on the scripture.

i do not believe that the authority for our faith is in the scripture.

i was taught what is in your oh so good sounding article above, and it nearly cost me my soul.

if you have the spirit in the mix, as the end all of the truth, then yes, the scripture is authoritative.

but just because some learned man reads and interprets the scripture a certain way, and tells me that this is the truth of god does not make it so. he might be wrong.

i understand scripture by and from the holy spirit. above it is stated that the scripture explains the scripture, and then as an aside, credit is given to the spirit, saying that he only explains scripture by scripture. this leaves out completely the fact of the holy spirit's work of revealing truth, and makes it to appear that the only tool the holy spirit will ever use is scripture.

when john received the revelation, and placed the admonition to not add or take away from the book, the bible did not even exist, and one of the most read book by the early church was enoch, which is not even is the bible.

use the scripture as you want.

goodby

I don't know where you get you information from VW?
 

phil36

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I see what you are saying.
But remember, the Holy Spirit works in each heart and mind as is needed and willed by God Our Father.
God bless, pickles

Yep, I agree with that pickles, I have never said any different.

Phil
 
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Yes & one hundred times yes ! It can not be expressed clearly enough, I'll use capitals to stress the point THE BIBLE CONTAINS THE ACTUAL WORDS OF GOD ALMIGHTY.

If you disagree with what I am saying, you are denying God & can not be his follower or a true Christian.

Hurtful as it is to maintain these views, as a True Christian, I have no choice. For example, where it says in the Bible that there was a Global flood, I believe there was & not all the Science stuff that says there wasn't. Scientists are evil in many ways & they've done plenty of evil things. Look how they call for abortions & the taking of human life. Look at the monster weapons & killing machines they build & the vaccines that kill people. Look how they produce condoms & promote sex everywhere but in marriage. Millions of people are dying of AIDS in Africa BECAUSE OF SCIENCE, the WORD OF GOD, never killed anybody but it has saved countless souls from the tortures of HELL.

Liberalism leads not only to abortion but Homersexuality. Then Homersexuals spread AIDS & God's people suffer. If we lived by the Word of God, if Women were in their proper place, as Mothers & child rearers, if they hadn't abandoned the role God gave to them in his Holy Word, the world would be a good place. There would be no more adultery, no more fornication & no more sex out side marriage that causes the spread of VD & other horrible diseases.

All that is wrong with mankind comes about because they reject the Holy Word of God, in favour of the doctrines of man, the evils of Science & the new God of Evolution.

Let them teach the King James Bible daily in our Schools. Let's sack atheist Teachers & homersexual head teachers. Let's make the Laws of our Christian land count again & have Christian prayers every morning, no exceptions for other faiths because we will be a Christian country again!
 
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Here are bits and pieces from various articles on the state of Biblical Illiteracy.

Central idea: Statistics show that there is a shocking lack of knowledge of
basic Bible knowledge among Americans. This is particularly puzzling in view of
the availability of Bibles and Bible related materials.
I. The Bible is the best-selling title in America.

A. Twenty-five million copies of the Bible are sold annually.

B. Americans spent 2.4 billion dollars on Bibles in 2006.
II. Surveys show that the majority of Americans are biblically illiterate.

A. Illiteracy ranks high among the Christian community.

B. Youth are particularly affected by biblical illiteracy.
III. There are two basic reasons why Bible illiteracy rates are high.

A. Americans simply are not reading the Bible
B. Many churches do not emphasize Bible learning in their
educational programs.

IV. Americans need to be reminded why they should read the Bible.
A. We are commanded to read it.
B. The Bible is God’s living letter to humanity.
C. The Bible provides the answers to all of life’s issues.
D. The Bible reveals the future.

Conclusion: It is time for America to get back to the Bible. Our existence
as a nation depends on our reverence for God and His Word.

And for Britain.

http://www.reformation-today.org/issues/articles/rt209-BattleforChristianity.pdf

I can see that a wishy washy Gospel and Liberalism has set us on a decline in Biblical illiteracy. How many can say they have read one book of the bible in go, considering that most new testament books will take no longer than 20 mins to read, even the Gospel of Mark can be read in 45 mins.

we seem to do a wee one verse devotional in the mornign and that is it, yet we will pick up a newspaper a spend 30 mins on it no problem.

Anyhow whats your thoughts?




I think alot of people in the USA are not saved. So the Bible would be pointless to them before they are saved even with so many copies on the self. I also believe that Christians on this Site know alot of Scripture.