thanks for posting actual verses for a change
you are misconstruing the above verses
the righteousness of a Christians is that of Christ. We are righteous only IN Christ and not by any efforts of our own
Right...he is the one who does the work.
However, the righteousness that God gives us is practical.
Tit 3:3, For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
Tit 3:4, But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6, Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Tit 3:7, That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
1. the one offering spoken of, is the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. He is the final offering and no more are needed
2. this means we believe in Him for our righteousness...which means the forgiveness of our sins
It is also practically living for God (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6, Matthew 5:20).
3. perfected very obviously does not mean we have become perfect. that, is ongoing through sanctification, a process throughout our lives. salvation is immediate and sanctification is the process through which we are changed by the Holy Spirit as we follow Christ.
God doesn't say what He means and He doesn't mean what He says.
4. holy, sanctification, means to be set apart. it means we are now set apart to Christ and from the world. this means we are 'positioned' in Christ. that is how God, the Father, sees us.
"set apart" means "made holy" and there is a practicality to that. Otherwise the word "holy" is stripped of all of its meaning.
5. it is correct to say we are 'positionally' sanctified (meaning not of our own doing, but again, in Christ if we belong to Him) but sanctification of our lives is ongoing throughout our earthly life. this, is the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives. This can also be called justification...we are 'justified in Christ'..meaning, again, that Christ's finished work on the cross has secured our justification before God so that He accepts us as holy...set apart through His Son
There is such a thing as entire sanctification in this life (1 Thessalonians 5:q23-24 (kjv), Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), 1 John 3:9 (kjv)); which is a "
second benefit" (2 Corinthians 1:15).
6. sanctification in our lives on a daily basis, is the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives, leading us to maturity in Christ
Now, of course, those who reject the kjv's rendering of "perfection" for the watered-down rendering "maturity" or "completeness" are actually heaping to themselves teachers, in the translators of other versions, to tell them what their itching ears want to hear (2 Timothy 4:3).
7. so, we are set apart or sanctified (meaning holy) in Christ and not of ourselves. we are not acceptable to God in any other way. His grace extends this to us only through His Son. we cannot attain it on our own or work to have it. this is not a question of some can anymore than believing that anyone can be saved by following the law(s) of the OT
Of course I do not deny that righteousness is imputed to the sinner who has faith in Christ.
What I am contending for is sanctification. The person who does righteousness is righteous even as Jesus is righteous (1 John 3:7). He is made righteous (Romans 5:19). He is filled with righteousness (Matthew 5:6). His inward righteousness exceeds the outward righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees; otherwise he will not enter the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:20).
note: there is no reason for me to respond to your flurry of posts addressed to me as your purpose is not for discussion, but rather indoctrination in what you believe is biblical. quite a few people here have really tried to help you see that you are in error
I don't see that. Why don't you name them. You are one of the only people that I have even contended with on this issue.
And no one with whom I have contended has brought scripture to bear on the issue that has any convincing power.
And those with whom I have been contending have hardened hearts; they are rejecting the holiness of God as He wants to give it to them.
Apparently they have some secret sin in their lives that they don't want to give up.
Otherwise, even as we find in Romans 7:24, they would be discontented with living sinfully and would see the doctrine of entire sanctification as good news indeed.
You would disparage me as if I am the one that needs to be ministered to. But I am attempting to minister to you.
I know that the word of the Lord will not return void (Isaiah 55:10-11); whether it actually bears fruit in your life or whether it merely makes you accountable on your day of judgment so that you have no excuse.
there is also no need for your special brand of self importance. you are the only one impressed with that. it's actually a big turn-off
I once was given an award for humility and proceeded to pin it up on my wall. (I am being sarcastic; while that is a true story).
and again, to humor you
the verse above means just what it says
the one offering is Jesus...he does not have to offer Himself over and over no matter how many people come to believe in Him
that is what it means...it does not mean you can or have become perfected. without Christ, you have no righteousness whatsoever
The one who is sanctified wholly (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv), Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), 1 John 3:9 (kjv)) is sanctified
in Christ.
And if sanctification is not a practical thing, it has no meaning whatsoever. See also 1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, and Matthew 5:6.