Do you agree with the doctrine that says JESUS died spiritually?
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I would consider spiritual death being separated from God because of sin. On the cross Jesus asked why God (Jesus couldn't even call Him Father)God had forsaken him. Yes, Jesus was separated from God, full of our sin and iniquity God couldn't look at Jesus-this is the price Jesus paid for you and I. The rest of the story? He rose again!!! He conquered death-both physical and spiritual, sin, disease...nothing is above His name. He was, is and will always be.
This isn't even close to truth...........wow..........you guys have really begun to stretch the limits of believability here.......dangerous waters y'all are treading in now..........
Jesus the man (flesh) died........this is truth
God the Son (Spirit) did not die.........this is truth........
Don't know what denominational theology you guys are asserting here.........but wow, is it dangerous........
Jesus the man (flesh) died........this is truth
God the Son (Spirit) did not die.........this is truth........
Don't know what denominational theology you guys are asserting here.........but wow, is it dangerous........
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Jesus spirit didn't die because the spirit (ruach) is that part of us that is eternal, I'm not saying His spirit ceased to exist. I think He went to Hell (don't wanna quibble abt terms here) He got the OT saints that were in Abtahams bosom (think Lazarrus and the rich man) and took them to Heaven. The separation from God was the death, His ressurection our proof of His Divinity.
When Jesus took on the sins of the world while hanging on the cross His heavenly Father turned His back on Him. Jesus was physically dead for 3 days. In His eyes a year is like a thousand years and a thousand years a day. That is a long time to be separated from the love of His father. That was the most agonizing part of His ordeal in His sacrifice on the cross.
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: (found here)
Bible Question: Did Jesus' flesh or spirit die?
www.neverthirsty.org/pp/corner/read2/r00887.html
Bible Question
id Jesus' flesh or spirit die?
Bible Answer: On 14 Nisan A.D. 33, Jesus died outside the city walls of Jerusalem at a place called Golgotha at 3:00 pm (1500 hours). The land was covered with darkness even though a full moon would be visible in the night sky. The gospel of John tells us that at 3:00 pm Jesus said,
. . . “It is finished!” And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit. (NASB) John 19:30
Jesus’ body, not His spirit, died and was buried later in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea (John 19:38-42). It was His body that was stabbed with a spear. It was His hands and feet that were nailed to the cross and bleeding. It was His back that was raw and bleeding because of the Roman whip. His head was also bleeding because of the thorns that had been shaped into a crown and pushed down onto His head. It was His body that died and not His spirit.
The scripture reveals that we have a body and a spirit. It tells us that our bodies are dead without a spirit.
For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. (NASB) James 2:26
Therefore, when Jesus gave up His spirit on the cross, His body died, but not His spirit. It was still alive. In fact, the following two passages tell us what Jesus was doing while Jesus' body was dead between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning. He visited the fallen angels or demons who were in prison for disobedience. For more information visit "Seeking A Broken Heart."
Therefore it says, “WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN.” (Now this expression, “He ascended,” what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth? He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.) (NASB) Eph. 4:8-10
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. (NASB) 1 Pet. 3:18-20
Conclusion:Only Jesus' fleshly body died - not His spirit. Jesus was still alive and is still alive. We say that we serve a risen Savior, because His body returned to life. It was proof to humanity that He is God (Rom. 1:4). Everyone who has ever lived and who will live in the future will live for eternity. Those who reject Jesus Christ will live in eternal punishment and those who believe and submit to Him will live with God for eternity.
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. (NASB) Matt. 25:46
The following passages are very clear. They are written to Christians.
If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. (NASB) Rom. 8:10
For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit . . . (NASB) 1 Cor. 5:3
Our spirits are the true selves. We live now in bodies of flesh that will die. After death we will receive immortal bodies that will live for eternity. The only question is, "Where will you spend your eternity?" If you are concerned, please visit "Searching For God."
Bible Question: Did Jesus' flesh or spirit die?
www.neverthirsty.org/pp/corner/read2/r00887.html
Bible Question
id Jesus' flesh or spirit die?Bible Answer: On 14 Nisan A.D. 33, Jesus died outside the city walls of Jerusalem at a place called Golgotha at 3:00 pm (1500 hours). The land was covered with darkness even though a full moon would be visible in the night sky. The gospel of John tells us that at 3:00 pm Jesus said,
. . . “It is finished!” And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit. (NASB) John 19:30
Jesus’ body, not His spirit, died and was buried later in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea (John 19:38-42). It was His body that was stabbed with a spear. It was His hands and feet that were nailed to the cross and bleeding. It was His back that was raw and bleeding because of the Roman whip. His head was also bleeding because of the thorns that had been shaped into a crown and pushed down onto His head. It was His body that died and not His spirit.
The scripture reveals that we have a body and a spirit. It tells us that our bodies are dead without a spirit.
For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. (NASB) James 2:26
Therefore, when Jesus gave up His spirit on the cross, His body died, but not His spirit. It was still alive. In fact, the following two passages tell us what Jesus was doing while Jesus' body was dead between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning. He visited the fallen angels or demons who were in prison for disobedience. For more information visit "Seeking A Broken Heart."
Therefore it says, “WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN.” (Now this expression, “He ascended,” what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth? He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.) (NASB) Eph. 4:8-10
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. (NASB) 1 Pet. 3:18-20
Conclusion:Only Jesus' fleshly body died - not His spirit. Jesus was still alive and is still alive. We say that we serve a risen Savior, because His body returned to life. It was proof to humanity that He is God (Rom. 1:4). Everyone who has ever lived and who will live in the future will live for eternity. Those who reject Jesus Christ will live in eternal punishment and those who believe and submit to Him will live with God for eternity.
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. (NASB) Matt. 25:46
The following passages are very clear. They are written to Christians.
If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. (NASB) Rom. 8:10
For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit . . . (NASB) 1 Cor. 5:3
Our spirits are the true selves. We live now in bodies of flesh that will die. After death we will receive immortal bodies that will live for eternity. The only question is, "Where will you spend your eternity?" If you are concerned, please visit "Searching For God."
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it is dangerous?
No wonder you guys are so full of legalism, you do not even understand what CHrist did on your behalf. you think he just died, and that was it.
News flash. He said it was finished (literally paid in ful) before he died physically.
Death means seperation from.
Physical death is separation of the spirit from the body, this happened to jesus when he went to the ground.
Spiritual death is separation of God from man, This separation caused by sin (the barrier) because God can not look on sin.
This happened on the cross. The father and spirit turned their back on Jesus, And he was alone for the first time in all eternity. This is when he paid my debt. This is what caused him to cry out. Something you and I can not even fathom!
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this is spiritual death
My God, My God why has thou forsaken me? Far from my deliverance are the words of my groaning (ps 22:1)
Jesus Christ uttered these words on the cross. Christ is God; He is also man. He quoted this scripture from his humanity addressing God the father. Christ knew perfectly well why the Father was forsaking him. This was the purpose for which Jesus had been born into the world. The Father was forsaking the humanity of Christ as part of Judging him for the sins of mankind. The sins of mankind were being imputed to Him, and he was taking the punishment due every human being who would ever live. So horrible was this judgment to His sinless humanity that he expressed his agony by repeating again and again from the psalm of David.. The Hebrew word for groaning meant our Lord was screaming in the pain of divine judgment
You must realize just why Jesus Christ was screaming, and you must have some picture of
what happened to our Lord prior to that time. Jesus had just endured 6 trials. During this time, men had lied about him (no one enjoys being maligned) and yet Jesus kept quiet. He did not answer or fight back. When the court finished taking testimony, they could not draw an indictment because the false witnesses did not agree. Men began to step up and have a little fun at his expense. They took turns slugging, cursing and spitting on him. Jesus Christ was hit dozens and dozens of times. as the bible says, "he was buffeted" which is simply a Greek word for "slugged" (matt 26: 27, mark 14: 65) Is 52" 14 tells us that he was so badly beaten that the features of his face were completely destroyed, and yet he stood up and took it all and lived.
In between all the punching, other men came up and said," so you are a prophet huh? then prophesy who hit you!" Boom! they slapped him, they hit him (matt 26: 28) At one point during these trials, they stripped him to the waist, His hands tied above his head, and then he was scourged (literally "skinned with a whip"). The Romans used a "mastix" a very brutal type of whip, to which they attached sharp bits of bone, metal and splinters, anything that would cut! Then the strongest man in the battalion would beat the victim.
Usually by this time any member of the human race would have been reduced to screaming incoherent hysterias, :like a sheep that is silent before his shearers, so he did not open his mouth" (Is 53 7b cf acts 8: 32) He never cried out to anyone, he did not raise his voice in to scream in pain. Then after the beating was over, as was Roman custom, the y rubbed salt into what was left of the raw back to cauterize the wound. They mocked him, they scourged him, they took him to the cross.
As He hung on the cross, it was excruciatingly painful. His bones pulled apart from the weight of his body, slowly, miserably. the torture was unbelievable! Yet not once did he cry out-
Not until midday, when the sun was overhead. Suddenly the hill was blotted out in darkness. Then, in that darkness, something happened that made Jesus scream. All of the punching, slapping, lying, maligning torture and pain had not caused him to cry out, yet now, something so terrible made him scream. In a moment of time, your sin, my sin and the past present and future sins of the whole world were poured out on him. It was then that in his greatest agony he screamed. God the father turned his back on him. Why, Because thou art holy (ps 22:3)
Holiness is a combination of righteousness and justice. In absolute righteousness God the father directed his perfect justice against Christ imputing all sin to him and judging him as the substitute for mankind. In that moment of time, "he who knew no sin was made sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in him (2 cor 2: 51)
My God, My God why has thou forsaken me? Far from my deliverance are the words of my groaning (ps 22:1)
Jesus Christ uttered these words on the cross. Christ is God; He is also man. He quoted this scripture from his humanity addressing God the father. Christ knew perfectly well why the Father was forsaking him. This was the purpose for which Jesus had been born into the world. The Father was forsaking the humanity of Christ as part of Judging him for the sins of mankind. The sins of mankind were being imputed to Him, and he was taking the punishment due every human being who would ever live. So horrible was this judgment to His sinless humanity that he expressed his agony by repeating again and again from the psalm of David.. The Hebrew word for groaning meant our Lord was screaming in the pain of divine judgment
You must realize just why Jesus Christ was screaming, and you must have some picture of
what happened to our Lord prior to that time. Jesus had just endured 6 trials. During this time, men had lied about him (no one enjoys being maligned) and yet Jesus kept quiet. He did not answer or fight back. When the court finished taking testimony, they could not draw an indictment because the false witnesses did not agree. Men began to step up and have a little fun at his expense. They took turns slugging, cursing and spitting on him. Jesus Christ was hit dozens and dozens of times. as the bible says, "he was buffeted" which is simply a Greek word for "slugged" (matt 26: 27, mark 14: 65) Is 52" 14 tells us that he was so badly beaten that the features of his face were completely destroyed, and yet he stood up and took it all and lived.
In between all the punching, other men came up and said," so you are a prophet huh? then prophesy who hit you!" Boom! they slapped him, they hit him (matt 26: 28) At one point during these trials, they stripped him to the waist, His hands tied above his head, and then he was scourged (literally "skinned with a whip"). The Romans used a "mastix" a very brutal type of whip, to which they attached sharp bits of bone, metal and splinters, anything that would cut! Then the strongest man in the battalion would beat the victim.
Usually by this time any member of the human race would have been reduced to screaming incoherent hysterias, :like a sheep that is silent before his shearers, so he did not open his mouth" (Is 53 7b cf acts 8: 32) He never cried out to anyone, he did not raise his voice in to scream in pain. Then after the beating was over, as was Roman custom, the y rubbed salt into what was left of the raw back to cauterize the wound. They mocked him, they scourged him, they took him to the cross.
As He hung on the cross, it was excruciatingly painful. His bones pulled apart from the weight of his body, slowly, miserably. the torture was unbelievable! Yet not once did he cry out-
Not until midday, when the sun was overhead. Suddenly the hill was blotted out in darkness. Then, in that darkness, something happened that made Jesus scream. All of the punching, slapping, lying, maligning torture and pain had not caused him to cry out, yet now, something so terrible made him scream. In a moment of time, your sin, my sin and the past present and future sins of the whole world were poured out on him. It was then that in his greatest agony he screamed. God the father turned his back on him. Why, Because thou art holy (ps 22:3)
Holiness is a combination of righteousness and justice. In absolute righteousness God the father directed his perfect justice against Christ imputing all sin to him and judging him as the substitute for mankind. In that moment of time, "he who knew no sin was made sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in him (2 cor 2: 51)
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That is correct. Scripture could not be any clearer.
To think otherwise is to demonstrate a very shallow understanding of scripture. Christ also said:
"Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."
If His spirit died, He is a liar, because for a certainty His body wasn't in paradise, now was it?
To think otherwise is to demonstrate a very shallow understanding of scripture. Christ also said:
"Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."
If His spirit died, He is a liar, because for a certainty His body wasn't in paradise, now was it?
F.Y.I.
Verses that talk about where Jesus was between his death and resurrection:
•Luke 23:43, And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”
•Acts 2:27, "Because You will not abandon my soul to Hades, nor allow Your Holy One to undergo decay."
•Acts 2:31, "he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that He was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh suffer decay."
•Acts 13:35, "Therefore He also says in another Psalm, ‘You will not allow Your Holy One to undergo decay.’"
•1 Pet. 3:19, "in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison."
None of these verses say that Jesus went to hell and suffered (See What are the verses that mention hell in the New Testament?). None. So, how can people such as Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copeland, Fred Price, Charles Caps, etc., say Jesus suffered in hell and paid our price there? They can't because it doesn't say anything of the sort. For anyone to say that Christ actually suffered in hell at the hands of the devil by taking our place, the person has read into the text things that are simply not there. It is not proper to interpret Scripture in any manner that is not faithful to the text. We see from the verses listed above that Jesus was going to Paradise, that his body did not undergo decay, and that he made proclamation to the spirits now in prison. It does not say in any of the verses that he suffered in hell. It just isn't there. If the Bible doesn't teach it, then neither should these so-called Bible teachers.
This is significant because the Bible says, "Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that in us you might learn not to exceed what is written, in order that no one of you might become arrogant in behalf of one against the other." In my opinion, these Bible teachers have exceeded what is written in the word of God and in so doing violated Scripture.
Did Jesus die spiritually? | Christian Apologetics and ...
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by Matt Slick. There are many Christian preachers today who teach that Jesus died spiritually. As defined by them, this concept is a false doctrine.
Verses that talk about where Jesus was between his death and resurrection:
•Luke 23:43, And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”
•Acts 2:27, "Because You will not abandon my soul to Hades, nor allow Your Holy One to undergo decay."
•Acts 2:31, "he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that He was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh suffer decay."
•Acts 13:35, "Therefore He also says in another Psalm, ‘You will not allow Your Holy One to undergo decay.’"
•1 Pet. 3:19, "in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison."
None of these verses say that Jesus went to hell and suffered (See What are the verses that mention hell in the New Testament?). None. So, how can people such as Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copeland, Fred Price, Charles Caps, etc., say Jesus suffered in hell and paid our price there? They can't because it doesn't say anything of the sort. For anyone to say that Christ actually suffered in hell at the hands of the devil by taking our place, the person has read into the text things that are simply not there. It is not proper to interpret Scripture in any manner that is not faithful to the text. We see from the verses listed above that Jesus was going to Paradise, that his body did not undergo decay, and that he made proclamation to the spirits now in prison. It does not say in any of the verses that he suffered in hell. It just isn't there. If the Bible doesn't teach it, then neither should these so-called Bible teachers.
This is significant because the Bible says, "Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that in us you might learn not to exceed what is written, in order that no one of you might become arrogant in behalf of one against the other." In my opinion, these Bible teachers have exceeded what is written in the word of God and in so doing violated Scripture.
Did Jesus die spiritually? | Christian Apologetics and ...
carm.org/did-jesus-die-spiritually Cached
by Matt Slick. There are many Christian preachers today who teach that Jesus died spiritually. As defined by them, this concept is a false doctrine.
F.Y.I.
Where did Jesus' spirit go after he died and before the resurrection?
by Matt Slick
There is debate on what happened to Jesus during the period after His death and before His resurrection. Generally speaking, the two sections of scripture that deal with this are found in Ephesians 4 and 1 Peter 3.
•Eph. 4:8, “When He ascended on high, he led captive a host of captives, and He gave gifts to men.”
•1 Pet. 3:18-19, “For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; 19 in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison.”
It appears that after Jesus atoned for our sins by dying on the cross, He may have gone into the spiritual world and presented the gospel to those who had died beforehand. This is not to say that people had a second chance to receive the gospel (Heb. 9:27). Rather, there are two groups of people who had died before the time of Christ's sacrifice. The first group were those who were believers in God and had hoped in the Messiah. The second were those who had rejected God. It is possible that the presentation of the gospel was then for the purpose of informing both groups about the work of the cross and why one group would be taken into the heavens (Eph. 4:8) and the other would receive judgment (1 Pet. 3:18-19).
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Where did Jesus' spirit go after he died and before the resurrection?
by Matt Slick
There is debate on what happened to Jesus during the period after His death and before His resurrection. Generally speaking, the two sections of scripture that deal with this are found in Ephesians 4 and 1 Peter 3.
•Eph. 4:8, “When He ascended on high, he led captive a host of captives, and He gave gifts to men.”
•1 Pet. 3:18-19, “For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; 19 in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison.”
It appears that after Jesus atoned for our sins by dying on the cross, He may have gone into the spiritual world and presented the gospel to those who had died beforehand. This is not to say that people had a second chance to receive the gospel (Heb. 9:27). Rather, there are two groups of people who had died before the time of Christ's sacrifice. The first group were those who were believers in God and had hoped in the Messiah. The second were those who had rejected God. It is possible that the presentation of the gospel was then for the purpose of informing both groups about the work of the cross and why one group would be taken into the heavens (Eph. 4:8) and the other would receive judgment (1 Pet. 3:18-19).
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