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Greece in revolt as scandals sweep the Orthodox church
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The revelations are mind-boggling. Almost daily, men once revered as paragons of virtue have been exposed as lascivious money-grabbers. Recorded conversations of eminent clerics engaging in 'love talk' have been broadcast on television, secret bank accounts revealed, and malfeasance unearthed, with priests emerging as central players in activities as disparate as trial-fixing, antiquities smuggling and election rigging. Highlighting a raft of lurid sexual claims, one newspaper splashed what was purported to be a 91-year-old priest in bed with a woman across its front page.
'In many ways, the Greek Orthodox Church has been revealed for what it is: a completely amoral and unethical multinational company,' said Nikos Dimou, author of the best-selling book The Misery of Being Greek .
LINK ::: Greece in revolt as scandals sweep the Orthodox church | World news | The Observer
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The revelations are mind-boggling. Almost daily, men once revered as paragons of virtue have been exposed as lascivious money-grabbers. Recorded conversations of eminent clerics engaging in 'love talk' have been broadcast on television, secret bank accounts revealed, and malfeasance unearthed, with priests emerging as central players in activities as disparate as trial-fixing, antiquities smuggling and election rigging. Highlighting a raft of lurid sexual claims, one newspaper splashed what was purported to be a 91-year-old priest in bed with a woman across its front page.
'In many ways, the Greek Orthodox Church has been revealed for what it is: a completely amoral and unethical multinational company,' said Nikos Dimou, author of the best-selling book The Misery of Being Greek .
LINK ::: Greece in revolt as scandals sweep the Orthodox church | World news | The Observer
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Yes. I do disagree with John Hagee but primarily because of his Christian Zionist obsession. I was watching his program once and he was giving away millions of dollars (in check form) to "Jews" is Israel just becuse of the blood that runs through their veins. This concerned me because there are many people in OUR country, and around the world (especially African nations) that could have benefited from a substantial monetary donation that are in far worse shape than they.
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Ya like....whats with all the glitz and glamour?
I think John Hagee typifies what is wrong with "Sola Scriptura". Every man becomes a law unto himself, accountable to no one but himself.
The Orthodox Church is accountable to God.
The title of John Hagee's group says it all" John Hagee Ministries."
When a person becomes a Christian, they are no longer alone. A person should not minister in his own name. But it's okay to use one's own name. The difference is it shouldn't be on things like "Scofield Study Bible". A man should not put his own name on the Holy Bible.
Hagee teaches from the Bible but preaches his own private traditions based on modern charismatic dispensationalist doctrine. Go figure!
You don't do logical thinking by talking about the Orthodox Church when I ask about John Hagee.
The two are not logically related.
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So by what logic do you think this is typical of the whole Orthodox Church?
Why do you even bring this up?
Don't you remember the example of righteous Shem and Japheth, who covered their father Noah's nakedness? We don't emphasize St. Peter's sins. He had some. There is no one who does not sin. It is not typical of Eastern Orthodoxy to do a lot of sins. It is not typical of Christians of any tradition to do a lot of sins. And if a Christian has done a lot of sins, he should not despair. Christ is merciful. I don't like to emphasize the sins of Evangelicals or of Roman Catholics. Or of Eastern Orthodox. These sins that people sometimes commit are probably not typical of Lutheranism (Protestantism, Calvinism, etc.), Roman Catholicism, or of Greek Orthodoxy. Sin is wrong, in any case, no matter what person of church commits it.
Why do you even bring this up?
Don't you remember the example of righteous Shem and Japheth, who covered their father Noah's nakedness? We don't emphasize St. Peter's sins. He had some. There is no one who does not sin. It is not typical of Eastern Orthodoxy to do a lot of sins. It is not typical of Christians of any tradition to do a lot of sins. And if a Christian has done a lot of sins, he should not despair. Christ is merciful. I don't like to emphasize the sins of Evangelicals or of Roman Catholics. Or of Eastern Orthodox. These sins that people sometimes commit are probably not typical of Lutheranism (Protestantism, Calvinism, etc.), Roman Catholicism, or of Greek Orthodoxy. Sin is wrong, in any case, no matter what person of church commits it.
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The entire Word Of Faith prosperity 'gospel' is a false gospel. Anyone to me, who teaches such things, is not of Christ. When you find out the flat out bizarre teachings of these men, it's amazing Christians fall for it. A great resource on the prosperity false gospel message is Christianity In Crisis by Hank Hanegraaff. It exposes the real teachings of all the major prosperity proponents. Hageee is not one of the top, actually, but he is covered as well.
Dual-covenant theology is a Liberal Christian view that holds that Jews may simply keep the Law of Moses, because of the "everlasting covenant" (Genesis 17:13) between Abraham and God expressed in the Hebrew Bible, whereas Gentiles (those not Jews or Jewish proselytes) must convert to Christianity or alternatively accept the Seven Laws of Noah. Many forms of Christianity, especially Conservative Protestants, consider this view to be heresy.
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Strangeloves second post was on topic and warranted but his first was not. His first post was just a jab at the fact that the EO and the RCC actually adorn our churches and have ornate vestments (most of which cost no more than your typical suit). Not only that but the OP was aimed specifically at the "Prosperity Gospel". Something which neither the RCC or the EO is guilty of preaching.
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I'm sure just about all of us have very different views. Even people who believe very simularly to the way I do may not believe exactly as I do. The thing is that we must learn to respect each other even when we are in total disagreement with one another. There's nothing wrong with someone stating why they might disagree with the views of another or express concern that a certain doctrine might be a little dangerous.
However, the problem begins when people begin to blatantly disrespect others. Even if I were to feel that a person's beliefs might be so questionable that it would lead me to doubt their salvation, it still does not give me any excuse what so ever to disrespect them, call them names, or stalk them throughout the boards claiming that they are heretical.
Such behavior is not Christ like and proves that they are not mature enough spiritually or emotionally to be trying to minister to or teach anyone.
Anyways back to the original topic....
However, the problem begins when people begin to blatantly disrespect others. Even if I were to feel that a person's beliefs might be so questionable that it would lead me to doubt their salvation, it still does not give me any excuse what so ever to disrespect them, call them names, or stalk them throughout the boards claiming that they are heretical.
Such behavior is not Christ like and proves that they are not mature enough spiritually or emotionally to be trying to minister to or teach anyone.
Anyways back to the original topic....
The very title of this post gives us what we need to disern.
John Hagee's teaching.
It is not his teaching we should follow, but only the teachings of Jesus .
Some might argue this with the teachings of the apostles.
As to the teachings of the apostles, it was not their teachings, but the teachings of Jesus Christ, also given through the Holy Spirit.
Ill stick with the teachings of Jesus!
God bless.
pickles
John Hagee's teaching.
It is not his teaching we should follow, but only the teachings of Jesus .
Some might argue this with the teachings of the apostles.
As to the teachings of the apostles, it was not their teachings, but the teachings of Jesus Christ, also given through the Holy Spirit.
Ill stick with the teachings of Jesus!
God bless.
pickles
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No, it's not wrong!!!.. So what should he teach, that Christians will be poor?
.. Doesn't God want us to Prosper?.. 3John:2, 2Cor8:9..Take a look at most children of God in the bible, they were all richly blessed!.. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, David, Solomon..etc.. Christians do not neccessarily have to be rich, but there is nothing wrong in teaching about prosperity. It's just not important, what is important is salvation.
So is it wrong to teach about Prosperity?.. NO!!!!
Is it neccessary?..... NO!!!!!
.. Doesn't God want us to Prosper?.. 3John:2, 2Cor8:9..Take a look at most children of God in the bible, they were all richly blessed!.. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, David, Solomon..etc.. Christians do not neccessarily have to be rich, but there is nothing wrong in teaching about prosperity. It's just not important, what is important is salvation.So is it wrong to teach about Prosperity?.. NO!!!!
Is it neccessary?..... NO!!!!!
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No, it's not wrong!!!.. So what should he teach, that Christians will be poor?.. Doesn't God want us to Prosper?.. 3John:2, 2Cor8:9..Take a look at most children of God in the bible, they were all richly blessed!.. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, David, Solomon..etc.. Christians do not neccessarily have to be rich, but there is nothing wrong in teaching about prosperity. It's just not important, what is important is salvation.
So is it wrong to teach about Prosperity?.. NO!!!!
Is it neccessary?..... NO!!!!!
.. Doesn't God want us to Prosper?.. 3John:2, 2Cor8:9..Take a look at most children of God in the bible, they were all richly blessed!.. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, David, Solomon..etc.. Christians do not neccessarily have to be rich, but there is nothing wrong in teaching about prosperity. It's just not important, what is important is salvation.So is it wrong to teach about Prosperity?.. NO!!!!
Is it neccessary?..... NO!!!!!
Unfortunately many preachers today are teaching that if you sow a seed that you will reap a a huge harvest in order to raise money for their ministries. While this teaching is based on the concept of sowing and reaping which is entirely biblical, what these preachers don't tell you is that if you are sowing seed out of greed, you're not going to see a dime in return, reaping the greed of others as a harvest instead.
Sow good seed and you will reap a good harvest.
Sow bad seed and you will reap a bad harvest which is usually no harvest at all. You are better off keeping your money.
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