Do you disagree with John Hagee's prosperity teaching?

[pickles]

It is not that God does not bless His children, it is the teaching that if one must give $ to recieve $.
Ive listened to this teaching and as much is said, it is not heard in heart, like the teaching of Jesus.
My husband and I spent years in poverty, and never were we more blessed in the faith, hope and love of Jesus.
Simply because we had nothing, we were not blinded by belongings and their care.
But looked to Jesus for everything we needed.
God never failed to provide what we needed, saddly, some looked at our poverty as a judgement because of this teaching.
I was saddened that they could not see how richly we were blessed in faith, and a closeness to Jesus.
Yes we are called to give, but as scripture says, let not the right hand see what the other hand does when one gives.

In Jesus, God bless.
pickles

 

[Fencepost]

Both eyes gotten be open in a Spirtual Battle!

 

[Strangelove]

Strangelove, Illogical response! Totally unacceptable! I asked about John Hagee. And you keep bringing up the Orthodox Church. "Woe to you who call good evil, and evil good."

No you asked about the money angle and singled out one single false teacher.

Why only single him out?

Why dont we expose all money grabbing false priests regardless of their sect?

Do the EOC have financial collections that go to the central body of the organization?

 

[Strangelove]

So by what logic do you think this is typical of the whole Orthodox Church?

Erm....coz it says in the article:

'In many ways, the Greek Orthodox Church has been revealed for what it is: a completely amoral and unethical multinational company,'

Why do you even bring this up?

To expose money grabbing false teachers.

Don't you remember the example of righteous Shem and Japheth, who covered their father Noah's nakedness? We don't emphasize St. Peter's sins. He had some. There is no one who does not sin. It is not typical of Eastern Orthodoxy to do a lot of sins. It is not typical of Christians of any tradition to do a lot of sins. And if a Christian has done a lot of sins, he should not despair. Christ is merciful. I don't like to emphasize the sins of Evangelicals or of Roman Catholics. Or of Eastern Orthodox. These sins that people sometimes commit are probably not typical of Lutheranism (Protestantism, Calvinism, etc.), Roman Catholicism, or of Greek Orthodoxy. Sin is wrong, in any case, no matter what person of church commits it.

LOLZ!

Its all you ever do scotty!

 

[Strangelove]

I agree. Not only is it completely off topic, it's an unwarranted personal attack.

Guys we really need to start reporting this stuff. Regardless if it happens to you or not, we need to start reporting bad behavior. If enough of us begins to complain, hopefully the site admin will do something.

Bad behaviour?

Huh?

We're talking about bad priests who mishadle the subject of money.

 

[Strangelove]

Strangelove, Illogical response! Totally unacceptable! I asked about John Hagee. >>>>>> Stange>>>>>> Is not working to Build>>> He Is Working To Bring DowN>>>Aheist and as long as you let his ASS , Ash Burn !

Yeah I'm working to bring down ERROR.

Is this language acceptable on these forums?

 

[Strangelove]

Dual-covenant theology is a Liberal Christian view that holds that Jews may simply keep the Law of Moses, because of the "everlasting covenant" (Genesis 17:13) between Abraham and God expressed in the Hebrew Bible, whereas Gentiles (those not Jews or Jewish proselytes) must convert to Christianity or alternatively accept the Seven Laws of Noah. Many forms of Christianity, especially Conservative Protestants, consider this view to be heresy.

Wow...thanks for posting that Rant!

Zone you see this?

Now we got wikipedia saying that liberal Christians say gentiles have a CHOICE!

Christianity or Noahidism (TALMUDISM)!

Stunning.

Anyone who subscribes to dual covenant theology can you please confirm that the Noahide laws is an acceptable ALTERNATIVE to belief in the Son of God, Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior!!!??

 

[Ramon]

Neither of you will be judged by what any other man did, but by what you did. Something to do with planks and splinters.

There are rich men that know Jesus, and there are poor men that know Jesus. Do you?

 

[Fencepost]

Jesus orbits around me, and pierce's by heart daily! In the midst of a troubled mind the voice of Jesus is pure love.

 

[Strangelove]

Strangeloves second post was on topic and warranted but his first was not. His first post was just a jab at the fact that the EO and the RCC actually adorn our churches and have ornate vestments (most of which cost no more than your typical suit). Not only that but the OP was aimed specifically at the "Prosperity Gospel". Something which neither the RCC or the EO is guilty of preaching.

That wouldnt be, per chance, cuz my first post takes a general pop at the RCC AND EOC but the second is only at the EOC would it?

Pricing receipt for an average priestly vestment plz. Including the crown. Thanks.

 

[Strangelove]

I'm sure just about all of us have very different views. Even people who believe very simularly to the way I do may not believe exactly as I do. The thing is that we must learn to respect each other even when we are in total disagreement with one another. There's nothing wrong with someone stating why they might disagree with the views of another or express concern that a certain doctrine might be a little dangerous.

However, the problem begins when people begin to blatantly disrespect others. Even if I were to feel that a person's beliefs might be so questionable that it would lead me to doubt their salvation, it still does not give me any excuse what so ever to disrespect them, call them names, or stalk them throughout the boards claiming that they are heretical.

Such behavior is not Christ like and proves that they are not mature enough spiritually or emotionally to be trying to minister to or teach anyone.

Anyways back to the original topic....

Sorry....can't do it.

I dont have respect for people who have different doctrines and different Gospels than me.

And its totally Christ like to take a stand.

What is not Christ like is to come up against opposition and tell them its ok to have unscriptural doctrines.

 

[loveschild]

Do you disagree with John Hagee's prosperity teaching? He seems to suggest a godly man will necessarily be blessed with great wealth (lots of money). Is this what the Bible teaches? Does John Hagee ever read the book of Job?
Why do some preachers ask for money so much?

When you read the book of Job you see he is way rich.

 

[Crossfire]

Sorry....can't do it.

I dont have respect for people who have different doctrines and different Gospels than me.

And its totally Christ like to take a stand.

What is not Christ like is to come up against opposition and tell them its ok to have unscriptural doctrines.

What is not Christ like is refusing to love your enemy. You will never reach them by ridiculing them.

If that is how you feel then that is your right. However, if love does not reside in your heart, you have no business trying to teach or correct anyone. All you are doing is hurting the gospel, not helping it.

 

[Strangelove]

What is not Christ like is refusing to love your enemy. You will never reach them by ridiculing them.

If that is how you feel then that is your right. However, if love does not reside in your heart, you have no business trying to teach or correct anyone. All you are doing is hurting the gospel, not helping it.

If I didnt love them I wouldnt be telling them the truth.

I'd be off playing tennis or something.

 

[DiscipleWilliam]

What is not Christ like is refusing to love your enemy. You will never reach them by ridiculing them.

If that is how you feel then that is your right. However, if love does not reside in your heart, you have no business trying to teach or correct anyone. All you are doing is hurting the gospel, not helping it.

This is one that I have to work on lol. I've heard it once said that, "to return hatred for good is satanic, to return good for good is human, and to return good for hatred is divine." I believe that you make a good point brother; you have the potential to reach more people with love -not necessarily evidencing love of their doctrine- but to love them as a fellow neighbor. Oftentimes we can get caught up in trying to force things, usually through argumentative controversy which does not solve issues. Sometimes the best thing to do when faced with a stalemate is to drop it and agree to disagree. So to your post I would agree.

 

[Crossfire]

This is one that I have to work on lol. I've heard it once said that, "to return hatred for good is satanic, to return good for good is human, and to return good for hatred is divine." I believe that you make a good point brother; you have the potential to reach more people with love -not necessarily evidencing love of their doctrine- but to love them as a fellow neighbor. Oftentimes we can get caught up in trying to force things, usually through argumentative controversy which does not solve issues. Sometimes the best thing to do when faced with a stalemate is to drop it and agree to disagree. So to your post I would agree.

Thanks William and I agree with you as well.

 

[Crossfire]

If I didnt love them I wouldnt be telling them the truth.

I'd be off playing tennis or something.

Bashing them is not love. In my opinion, it's pride (but that's just opinion).

Can I ask you an honest question? Which do you love more? The person you are trying to correct or the doctrine you are trying to teach?

I don't need an answer. All I ask is that you reflect on this.

 

[Red33]

What's even worse is when we are deceived by the very doctrine we believe comes from God through the scriptures. That is how Satan can get to the believer through the word. If we give the devil a place to do that in our lives he is more that able to take advantage of us and use whatever knowledge and preoccupation we gravitate toward to keep us stimulated with learning information while our hearts slowly turn and depart from the living God to the god of our knowledge and understanding. We become very active with others who are like minded in this stimulation and we have the contrive intellectual capacity to convince others that we are right and have something greater to offer others then just a passive knowledge and faith. This is when we are lifted up through pride in our heart and we fall into the condemnation of the devil, not his final abode but his own deception and web of lies that function in (poneros) evil infecting others with the very lies that we have been deceived by without knowing it.

 

[Crossfire]

What's even worse is when we are deceived by the very doctrine we believe comes from God through the scriptures. That is how Satan can get to the believer through the word. If we give the devil a place to do that in our lives he is more that able to take advantage of us and use whatever knowledge and preoccupation we gravitate toward to keep us stimulated with learning information while our hearts slowly turn and depart from the living God to the god of our knowledge and understanding. We become very active with others who are like minded in this stimulation and we have the contrive intellectual capacity to convince others that we are right and have something greater to offer others then just a passive knowledge and faith. This is when we are lifted up through pride in our heart and we fall into the condemnation of the devil, not his final abode but his own deception and web of lies that function in (poneros) evil infecting others with the very lies that we have been deceived by without knowing it.

very, very true!

ultimately the gospel is about loving god and loving others.

Personally, I have yet to read where the bible advocates tough love.

 

[Grandpa]

I thought Strangelove's posts were brilliant. When the adulteress woman was brought before Jesus by the pharisees and people demanding justice, what did Jesus say to them? He said "He who is without sin cast the first stone".

Isn't this in essence what has happened here. Scott from erie brought forth Hagee for all of you to throw stones at. Strangelove, in essence, said perhaps you should remove the plank from your own eye before you try to remove the splinter from your brothers eye. This is what Jesus taught. You would call that tough love and say the bible doesn't teach that?? The bible is full of tough love. Look at Jonah, Job and the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ just for starters...

God Bless You