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In the Word, reference is made to the Great Whore on seven hills. She is teh mother of whores.

Using the use of the word, whore or harlot, in the writings, the prophets, and the Books of Moses, does this not tell all much?

Now, if God is going to call His children out of her so they do not suffer her punishments with her, do you suppose He will leave His children in her daughters? His Love telss me He will not.
 
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SINCE WHEN ARE WE SUPPOSED TO PRAY ONLY MEMORIZED PRAYERS THAT ARE IN THE BIBLE?

Matthew 6:9-15 (ASV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] After this manner therefore pray ye. Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Give us this day our daily bread.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And bring us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

THAT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE A MINDLESS MEMORIZED PRAYER! Christ meant it to be an Outline or Model for all prayer, not something that was to be repeated verbatim.

James 5:14-16 (HCSB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Is anyone among you sick? He should call for the elders of the church, and they should pray over him after anointing him with olive oil in the name of the Lord.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] The prayer of faith will save the sick person, and the Lord will restore him to health; if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you may be healed. The urgent request of a righteous person is very powerful in its effect.

Ephesians 6:18-19 (GW)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Pray in the Spirit in every situation. Use every kind of prayer and request there is. For the same reason be alert. Use every kind of effort and make every kind of request for all of God's people.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Also pray that God will give me the right words to say. Then I will speak boldly when I reveal the mystery of the Good News.


NOW, how many here actually pray on Sunday Mornings for their Pastor to be given the RIGHT WORDS TO SAY? I do, and I have been doing it for YEARS.


1 Thessalonians 5:17 (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] pray without ceasing,

NOW, how is that possible? GOD considers intimate conversations with HIM in your mind, to be a form of prayer.

1 John 5:14-15 (NRSV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And this is the boldness we have in him, that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have obtained the requests made of him.

A born again Christian does not make requests of GOD for selfish things or reasons. HE or SHE always strives to make all of one's requests, in line with HIS will.

So does HE give us an instructions about how NOT TO PRAY? He sure does.

Matthew 6:5-8 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] "And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him.


Does anyone here know what the Greek Word for "vain repetitions" is? How about I take it a step further and ask if anyone knows the origin of that Greek word -
[FONT=Gentium !important]battalogeô ?[/FONT]

Many will recognize that
[FONT=Gentium !important]logeô[/FONT] is a Greek reference to "words" or "speach"; but where does the BATTA part come from. It actually was a word used in the Greek Mystery Religions, such as the Worship of Zeus. The pagan priests taught their worshipers to pray in a private prayer language that only the gods understood, by: "Saying Batta, Batta, Batta, over and over again as fast as they could, and the gods would turn it into a private prayer language that only they understood." I am sorry if that rubs some of you the wrong way, but that is the truth. That practice predates the Church by at least 400 years. Plato, himself, referred to the experience as "Divine Ecstasy, it was as if I linked up with the gods."

Therefore what Jesus was saying is do not pray in babbling words, like the heathen or pagans do.

Matthew 6:7 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] When you pray, don’t babble like the idolaters, since they imagine they’ll be heard for their many words.

So do the pagans of today still use this mindless, babbling, supposed language of the gods? The Mormons do, the Buddhists do, the Hindus do, the Muslims do, some of the Eskimos do, and probably many others. It is natural phenomena, not "Divine Ecstasy" like Plato thought:

The Pagan Origins of Modern “Speaking in Tongues”






Thank you for 'prophesying' to us and was 'encouraging' all of them, 'as a reminder' and 'stir up of memory' of CHRIST's word/teaching, the way, the truth and the life about prayer to the FATHER who is SPIRIT, therefore HE requires 'true worshipers' to worship HIM in 'spirit' and 'truth'.

Brethren, in the Gospel, JESUS taught HIS disciples and through them to HIS church, about prayer and which they have imparted them to us, as well as other prayers, i would want to share, in support together with VCO's prophesy ones, written in the HOLY BIBLE by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT. Beloved VCO have 'testified' in majority about prayer lesson, written for our knowledge faith and from them action faith.

JESUS said these, "Pray to the LORD of the harvest, for the harvest is plenty but the laborers are few, therefore send forth your laborers to bring in the harvest."

And, "Pray to GOD to save Israel from all of it's troubles."

And also, "Pray for Israel, during the day of the 'Horrible Thing', may Israel do not have to escape during winter or Sabbath."

Together, "Pray to GOD that you are counted worthy to escape tribulation."

Moreover, "Pray for the hour of testing is near."

Finally as according to the ability of my faith in service to all of you, "Some demons are able to be cast out in prayer and fasting."

Thank you beloved all and VCO to 'built up' HIS lambs and sheep from 'ignorance' and 'deception', and may the Good GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST bless you all with HIS kindness and peace.

"Halleluiah!"

Praise GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST forever and ever. Amen.
 
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I believe the Our Father is an actual prayer and not just a model for prayer. I do agree that inner conversations with God could be considered prayer. I recite written prayers as well as my own prayers and most of these prayers are not in the bible, especially my personal prayers
 
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GuessWho, Mary is dead and in the grave. She does not have Omnipresence and she does not have Omniscient and she does not have Omnipotent.

So how can Mary hear and answer our prayers?

In order for Mary to hear our prayers and Intercede for us she MUST HAVE Omnipotent,Omniscient, and Omnipresence!

Which then makes her a God!

This is what the Catholic Church has done is elevate Mary up to being equal to God. Praying to Mary and asking her to intercede for you is Idolatry. All those who practice Idolatry will NEVER enter into Heaven.

Galatians 5:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]IDOLATRY, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Every time you ask Mary to intercede for you will keep you from entering into Heaven. Is it worth spending Eternity in Hell just because the Catholic Church says you can ask Mary to Intercede for you?
 
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Matthew 6:9-13
[SUP]9 [/SUP] In this manner, therefore, pray:Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Give us this day our daily bread.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.


Hail Mary, full of grace.
Our Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

If you look at the Lord's Prayer the very first words are "Our Father". That is because the prayer is directed to God. If you look at the Hail Mary prayer the first two words are "Hail Mary", which directs this prayer to Mary. There is very little difference between these two prayers.

Therefore every time you say the Hail Mary you ARE praying to Mary as your God which is Idolatry.

No Catholic will ever be allowed to Inherit the Kingdom of God as long as they keep on saying the Hail Mary prayer. Never will God allow them into Heaven.
 
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"Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death."

First, this is NOT in the Bible. Only the first part of the Hail Mary is in the Bible. In Luke 1. So by praying this over and over, you are actually not praying the Bible.

Second, if this is supposed to be Mary's prayer, is she not saying "us sinners?" Would that not include Mary, herself?

Third, which is just my own speculation. Even if you grant that Mary was "assumed into heaven" (which I do not!) she is just a human being, not God. So she really probably can't concentrate on more than one or two things at the same time. Yet, she has millions upon millions of Catholics praying to her for a multitude of requests, which only God can answer. Even if she takes these requests to Jesus, as I understand that is the formula, how can she possibly repeat all these millions of requests? She is not God, not omnipresent, omniscient nor omnipotent.

Our prayers need to be focused on God - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. God is the only one who can answer prayers. Not Mary and not dead so-called "saints."

"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," 1 Tim. 2:5
Yet they claim they do not hold Mary up as God..Yet they give her characteristics ONLY applicable to God. the things which make him God.

and then yell at us as being deceived.
 
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And we are all fools and idiots in some areas, are we not?

I believe in a pre trib rapture. If I am wrong, I can classify myself as a fool and Idiot.

Do you have it ALL figured out?
That is what hurts christinity the most I think.

We are so hard set on EVERY doctrine, believe as I do or you can not be saved, when there is only ONE real essential doctrine which makes us true brothers and sisters. And that is the gospel of salvation by grace.

yes there are some things which are and must be maintained (ie a sin is a sin is a sin, we can not say it is ok to do this sin for any reason) but when Christ will return for his church, or other nonessential doctrines, it should not divide us so much AS IT DOES.
 
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Please quote where you find the word "Rapture" in the Bible. I can go into the Greek to show why 1 Thess. 4:17 is NOT that passage if you want.

Hail Mary is not in the Bible, but neither is the so-called "rapture." So I guess more than one is slightly guilty of making things up that are not from God.
people do realize the word "rapture" is no more an english word than the word "baptize" do they not?

The confusion comes I think because we take the supposed English meaning, and not the literal meaning of the word from whence it originated.
 
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No Catholic will ever be allowed to Inherit the Kingdom of God as long as they keep on saying the Hail Mary prayer. Never will God allow them into Heaven.
We may want to reconsider this? I believe you touch on a pretty important doctrine in this quote. You and I differ on it. So does it make one of us worthy of the LoF?

Inheriting the Kingdom is reign and rank in heaven. Some will reign with the Lord and Some will not, But everybody who has trusted Christ for their salvation will ENTER the kingdom.

Do you believe I have the right to say,"Ken believes 'inheriting the kingdom' is salvation,he will not be allowed into heaven because he is teaching false doctrine?"
 
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You misunderstand what the Scriptures are saying. Its not about believing or teaching false doctrines, its all about doing the Works of the Flesh.

Galatians 5:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

What i am saying is every Catholics who prays the Hail Mary will not enter into Heaven because that is Idolatry. This has nothing to do with Doctrines at all. Its all about us, both Christians and Catholics, not doing the Works of the Flesh.

All those who continue to do the Works of the Flesh which are ,"adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like, will not enter into Heaven.

Now this passage does mention heresies which is the teaching of False Doctrines. Some Doctrines are just opinions and some Doctrines actually do oppose what God teaches in the Scriptures. All the Doctrines of Mary in the Catholic Church are heresies.

Teaching the Doctrine of Mary being without sin is heresy and will keep the Catholics from entering into Heaven.
 

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GuessWho, Mary is dead and in the grave. She does not have Omnipresence and she does not have Omniscient and she does not have Omnipotent.

So how can Mary hear and answer our prayers?

In order for Mary to hear our prayers and Intercede for us she MUST HAVE Omnipotent,Omniscient, and Omnipresence!

Which then makes her a God!

This is what the Catholic Church has done is elevate Mary up to being equal to God. Praying to Mary and asking her to intercede for you is Idolatry. All those who practice Idolatry will NEVER enter into Heaven.

Galatians 5:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]IDOLATRY, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Every time you ask Mary to intercede for you will keep you from entering into Heaven. Is it worth spending Eternity in Hell just because the Catholic Church says you can ask Mary to Intercede for you?
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NOW you got that all wrong, the Catholics are NOT ASKING MARY TO DO THE INTERCEDING, they are asking that Mary prays that Jesus will do the Interceding.

James 5:16 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you may be healed. The urgent request of a righteous person is very powerful in its effect.

Is not the human spirits in Heaven the spirit of a RIGHTEOUS person? Intercessory Prayers are what JAMES 5:16 is describing. Ultimately YES it is JESUS who is the Mediator between man and GOD, but we are to ASK, and We are to ask on behalf of others.

John 17:20 (NRSV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] "I ask not only on behalf of these, but also on behalf of those who will believe in me through their word,

James 4:2-3 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] You desire and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war.
You do not have because you do not ask.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] You ask and don’t receive because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your evil desires.

Exodus 8:9 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And Moses said to Pharaoh, "Accept the honor of saying when I shall intercede for you, for your servants, and for your people, to destroy the frogs from you and your houses, that they may remain in the river only."

Numbers 21:7 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] The people then came to Moses and said, “We have sinned by speaking against the LORD and against you. Intercede with the LORD so that He will take the snakes away from us.” And Moses interceded for the people.

1 Samuel 7:5 (NIV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Then Samuel said, "Assemble all Israel at Mizpah and I will intercede with the LORD for you."

1 Kings 13:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Then the king said to the man of God, "Intercede with the LORD your God and pray for me that my hand may be restored." So the man of God interceded with the LORD, and the king's hand was restored and became as it was before.

As you can see, Intercessory Prayer, simply means to PRAY FOR ANOTHER PERSON; which is something we are commanded to do in several places in the Bible. It does not mean that the person offering the intercessory prayer becomes the Mediator between GOD and Man, that IS and always Has been CHRIST. (Rom.8:34, Rom. 8:26) HENCE the evil suspicions that the Catholics are making Mary the MEDIATOR or Equal to GOD, is purely IN YOUR MIND, and not in the Catholic Doctrines.

THEREFORE, I challenge you, just like the Priest that I talked to back in the early 80's challenged me:
Show me the Book, Chapter, and Verse that states we are to STOP asking a Christian Brother or Sister to pray for us, once they have died.

Your theory that human spirits in Heaven cannot hear your prayers here on earth, has NO BIBLICAL SUPPORT AT ALL. In fact we find evidence of the Opposite. It may depend on when it is the Will of GOD, but actually there is no verse that says it can only happen when it is the will of GOD, though that would be logical. It says we will be like the Angels, so the human physical laws do not apply.

Do I believe in praying to Mary and the Catholic Saints? No, it is not my cup of tea, BUT I WILL NOT CONDEMN THOSE WHO DO, as long as they understand that it is just a form of asking another Christian to pray for you.

Do I ever converse mentally or verbally with a Christian who has gone on to be with the LORD. SURE, my Dad, and my Grandpa especially; and sometimes with Paul when I am getting frustrated with mistreatment coming from the unsaved that I am witnessing to. Do I hear audible responses, from them? NO, but somehow, I think they are allowed to hear me, occasionally. For Example: When my Grandpa was dying of congestive heart failure when I was a kid; he gave me two of his hand tools. To this day, every time I pick up one of those hand tools to use it, I say, "Thank you Grandpa."; and I think he hears me, and we both smile.

NOW MAY I SHOW YOU BIBLICAL EVIDENCE THAT HUMAN SPIRITS IN HEAVEN CAN HEAR US, WHEN IT IS THE WILL OF GOD?


Luke 16:23-31 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And being in torment in Hades, he looked up and saw Abraham a long way off, with Lazarus at his side.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] ‘Father Abraham!’ he called out, ‘Have mercy on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this flame!’
[SUP]25 [/SUP] “‘Son,’ Abraham said, ‘remember that during your life you received your good things, just as Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here, while you are in agony.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Besides all this, a great chasm has been fixed between us and you, so that those who want to pass over from here to you cannot; neither can those from there cross over to us.’
[SUP]27 [/SUP] “‘Father,’ he said, ‘then I beg you to send him to my father’s house—
[SUP]28 [/SUP] because I have five brothers—to warn them, so they won’t also come to this place of torment.’
[SUP]29 [/SUP] “But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; they should listen to them.’
[SUP]30 [/SUP] “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said. ‘But if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
[SUP]31 [/SUP] “But he told him, ‘If they don’t listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not be persuaded if someone rises from the dead.’”


Revelation 5:11-12 (ASV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And I saw, and I heard a voice of many angels round about the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
[SUP]12 [/SUP] saying with a great voice, Worthy is the Lamb that hath been slain to receive the power, and riches, and wisdom, and might and honor, and glory, and blessing.

Revelation 7:13-14 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Then one of the elders asked me, “Who are these people robed in white, and where did they come from?”
[SUP]14 [/SUP] I said to him, “Sir, you know.” Then he told me: These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

2 Corinthians 5:8 (ASV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP] we are of good courage, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord.

AND if you doubt if the human spirit departs the body at death, and goes either to HEAVEN or HADES, then you had better read these verses too:


Psalm 146:4 (NKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] His spirit departs, he returns to his earth; In that very day his plans perish.


Revelation 6:9-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the people slaughtered because of God’s word and the testimony they had.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] They cried out with a loud voice: “Lord, the One who is holy and true, how long until You judge and avenge our blood from those who live on the earth?”
[SUP]11 [/SUP] So a white robe was given to each of them, and they were told to rest a little while longer until ⌊the number⌋ would be completed ⌊of⌋ their fellow slaves and their brothers, who were going to be killed just as they had been.

Revelation 7:13-15 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Then one of the elders asked me, “Who are these people robed in white, and where did they come from?”
[SUP]14 [/SUP] I said to him, “Sir, you know.” Then he told me: These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this reason they are before the throne of God, and they serve Him day and night in His sanctuary. The One seated on the throne will shelter them:
Revelation 20:4-5 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Then I saw thrones, and people seated on them who were given authority to judge. {<-- That is the Resurrected Saints who were Called Out to go to the Wedding of the Lamb.} I also saw the people who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of God’s word, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and who had not accepted the mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life {then and only then will the Tribulation Saints have their bodies resurrected, YET in Rev. 7 they are in Heaven serving the LORD.} and reigned with the Messiah for 1,000 years.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were completed. This is the first resurrection.


SLEEPING IN THE GRAVE IS A TOTALLY FALSE DOCTRINE, the human spirit departs the body at Death, and it does not sleep in the grave. At the moment of Death, it becomes too late to receive Jesus Christ as LORD (meaning MASTER), and that person goes directly to Hades, a place of torment for the unbelievers human spirit.


John 3:5-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, “I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit
is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not be amazed that I told you that
you must be born again.
 
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The problem VCO is the Catholics are not just asking Mary to do something for them, they are praying to Mary. Praying to Mary makes Mary your God. We are ONLY to pray to God.

Its Idolatry when you pray to Mary because we are ONLY to pray to God. Idolatry will keep the Catholics from entering into Heaven.

Catholics see nothing wrong with praying to Mary. There is a lot wrong with praying to Mary.

We are not even to try to contact Mary because she is dead and in the grave and its a Mortal sin to try and contact the dead.

Mary cannot pray for us because she is dead and cannot hear our prayers. To hear every Catholic praying to her Mary needs to have Omnipresence which only God has, not Mary.

Do you Catholics really hate Heaven that much you are willing to spend Eternity in Hell just for Mary?
 
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NOW you got that all wrong, the Catholics are NOT ASKING MARY TO DO THE INTERCEDING, they are asking that Mary prays that Jesus will do the Interceding.
So, instead of interceding with the Father, she's "interceding" with Jesus?

Uh-huh. I see. Very interesting.

Not biblical, but very interesting.

Is there somewhere in the Bible I don't know about that says Jesus needs to be encouraged to intercede for the believer? By his Earthly mother, who called Him her Savior?
 
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In the Word, reference is made to the Great Whore on seven hills. She is teh mother of whores.

Using the use of the word, whore or harlot, in the writings, the prophets, and the Books of Moses, does this not tell all much?

Now, if God is going to call His children out of her so they do not suffer her punishments with her, do you suppose He will leave His children in her daughters? His Love telss me He will not.

WRONG, that another charismatic misunderstanding, spawned in the mind of the false prophet Jack Chick.

It does not say Seven Hills, it says Seven Mountains, and Mountains are Biblical symbolism for KINGDOMS or KINGS. HORNS are also symbolism for Kingdoms or Kings, therefore the Beast with 10 Horns could symbolize a 10 Nation Confederacy; with 3 Horns being torn up by their roots, leaving the same 7 Nation Confederacy that the 7 Mountains refers to. HOWEVER, the Scripture actually says they (the Mountains) are the 7 KINGS or Emperors. Have we over-looked the OBVIOUS?

Revelation 17:9-10 (ASV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Here is the mind that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth:
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and they are seven kings; the five are fallen, the one is, the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a little while.

THE ROMAN EMPIRE:

Caesar Augustus
DEATH:
August 19, 14 AD
Natural causes or perhaps
poisoning by his wife, Livia.
TIME IN OFFICE:
40 years, 7 months and 3 days

Caesar Tiberius
DEATH:
March 16, 37 AD
Probably natural causes, possibly
assassinated by Caligula.
TIME IN OFFICE:
22 years, 5 months and 27 days

Caesar Caligula
DEATH:
January 24, 41 AD
Assassinated in a conspiracy involving
senators and Praetoring Guards.
TIME IN OFFICE:
3 years, 10 months and 6 days

Caesar Claudius
DEATH:
October 13, 54 AD
Probably poisoned by his wife Agrippina the Younger,
in favour of her son Nero, possibly natural causes.
TIME IN OFFICE:
13 years, 9 months

Caesar Nero
DEATH:
June 9, 68 AD
Committed suicide after being declared
a public enemy by the Senate.
TIME IN OFFICE:
13 years, 8 months

Caesar Galba {NOTE: This pinpoints John writing REVELATION during
DEATH: the seven months prior to Caesar Galba's death}January 15, 69 AD
Murdered by Praetorian Guard in coup led by Otho.
TIME IN OFFICE:
7 months and 7 days

After Caesar Galba's death the ROMAN EMPIRE spirals into Civil War, and no one ruler is ever able to pull the Empire back together.
HOWEVER prophecy still speaks of a SEVENTH KING or CAESAR, who will rule over the EMPIRE of the SEVEN KINGS, that will be the Revived Roman Empire in it's final form. He comes as a rider of a white horse, a conqueror with only a bow and no arrows. That is symbolism for the Antichrist coming peacefully, and actually being invited to rule.

ANTICHRIST
THE SEVENTH CAESAR, RULING THE REVIVED ROMAN EMPIRE;
AND HE WILL BE POSSESSED BY SATAN HIMSELF.


No, it is NOT the Catholic Church.


 
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WRONG, that another charismatic misunderstanding, spawned in the mind of the false prophet Jack Chick.

It does not say Seven Hills, it says Seven Mountains, and Mountains are Biblical symbolism for KINGDOMS or KINGS. HORNS are also symbolism for Kingdoms or Kings, therefore the Beast with 10 Horns could symbolize a 10 Nation Confederacy; with 3 Horns being torn up by their roots, leaving the same 7 Nation Confederacy that the 7 Mountains refers to. HOWEVER, the Scripture actually says they (the Mountains) are the 7 KINGS or Emperors. Have we over-looked the OBVIOUS?

Revelation 17:9-10 (ASV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Here is the mind that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth:
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and they are seven kings; the five are fallen, the one is, the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a little while.

THE ROMAN EMPIRE:

Caesar Augustus
DEATH:
August 19, 14 AD
Natural causes or perhaps
poisoning by his wife, Livia.
TIME IN OFFICE:
40 years, 7 months and 3 days

Caesar Tiberius
DEATH:
March 16, 37 AD
Probably natural causes, possibly
assassinated by Caligula.
TIME IN OFFICE:
22 years, 5 months and 27 days

Caesar Caligula
DEATH:
January 24, 41 AD
Assassinated in a conspiracy involving
senators and Praetoring Guards.
TIME IN OFFICE:
3 years, 10 months and 6 days

Caesar Claudius
DEATH:
October 13, 54 AD
Probably poisoned by his wife Agrippina the Younger,
in favour of her son Nero, possibly natural causes.
TIME IN OFFICE:
13 years, 9 months

Caesar Nero
DEATH:
June 9, 68 AD
Committed suicide after being declared
a public enemy by the Senate.
TIME IN OFFICE:
13 years, 8 months

Caesar Galba {NOTE: This pinpoints John writing REVELATION during
DEATH: the seven months prior to Caesar Galba's death}January 15, 69 AD
Murdered by Praetorian Guard in coup led by Otho.
TIME IN OFFICE:
7 months and 7 days

After Caesar Galba's death the ROMAN EMPIRE spirals into Civil War, and no one ruler is ever able to pull the Empire back together.
HOWEVER prophecy still speaks of a SEVENTH KING or CAESAR, who will rule over the EMPIRE of the SEVEN KINGS, that will be the Revived Roman Empire in it's final form. He comes as a rider of a white horse, a conqueror with only a bow and no arrows. That is symbolism for the Antichrist coming peacefully, and actually being invited to rule.

ANTICHRIST
THE SEVENTH CAESAR, RULING THE REVIVED ROMAN EMPIRE;
AND HE WILL BE POSSESSED BY SATAN HIMSELF.


No, it is NOT the Catholic Church.


It can't be rome, because rome is the beast itself (Daniels last gentile empire or beast). which destroys the woman.

It is called the mother of harlots. because it is the mother of pagan worship which apposes itself against God. and would also pose itself against some world leader who will declare he is the messiah, and thus why he must destroy her. she would be a threat, because she weilds great power on the earth.
 

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It can't be rome, because rome is the beast itself (Daniels last gentile empire or beast). which destroys the woman.

It is called the mother of harlots. because it is the mother of pagan worship which apposes itself against God. and would also pose itself against some world leader who will declare he is the messiah, and thus why he must destroy her. she would be a threat, because she weilds great power on the earth.


That theology comes right out of those CHICK TRACTS.

Does this one look familar:



It is NO SECRET that Jack Chick HATED Catholics.

And the Bible says: he who says he loves God and hates his brother is a liar. 1 John 4:20

By the way, I never said it was Rome, I said it was the ROMAN EMPIRE.
 

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Since we were just talking about intercessory prayer, I have a prayer request and some sad news to share with you that I just received:

Yesterday we received tragic news from New Hope Center in Ethiopia. Our sweet Dechessa was walking along a river bank and got too close to the edge, the ground gave out and Dechessa fell into the river and drowned. Dechessa was 9. His older sister Arequ (11) and younger sister Mulu (7) also live at New Hope. He also has older siblings that live with his grandma. . . .

I wanted to share Dechessa's story with you:



I have been at the orphanage since 2010. It was very sad and hard to come here because my father killed my mother and he had to go to prison. We were sent far away to my grandma's. She is very old and poor, so I was sleeping on the floor with my sister, Aragu. I also have a baby sister, Mulu, who came to live with us at New Hope. She was only two when we first came, so she had to stay with my grandma until she was four. My grandma comes to see us on Sundays and once in a while we go stay with her.
Now I have a bed to sleep in and clothes to wear. Now I also have lots of food to eat. I never went to school until I came here. I love school and am very good student. I ranked very high in my class again this year and will be in grade 3. I learned the local language from my best friend Yeabsira who is from the community and not an orphan. I am helping him learn Amharic, our national language.
When I first came to New Hope, I was the only younger boy. More little boys have come in the past few years so there are plenty of boys my age now. The older boys take good care of us and I love them, but I really like having boys my age living here.
I love getting cards and photos from my sponsors. I like to have them come to visit me one day so I can see them and give a big hug. I would like my sponsors to pray for me to continue to grow big and strong. I want them to pray for me to continue to do well in school. I know Jesus now. I have learned about him here and I love to worship him. . . .


Please pray for his sisters and the rest of the Children at the Christian Orphanage, during this time of mourning. We know Satan will try to use this to destroy their faith.
 
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Uh, this shouldn't even be up for a debate. Most people know that contacting the dead is evil and wrong. Ouja boards are generally thought of as Satanic; And guess what. They are because the general premise is contacting the dead (Which people know to be wrong). For it has always has been wrong and it always will be wrong. Why? Because the Lord is the only one who is our Mediator. Praying to someone else besides God is making them on the level as a God whereby they can answer millions of prayers. It is just not possible. A created being cannot answer millions of prayers. It's evil if someone prays to the dead. It is Satanic and it has nothing to do with God whatsoever.
 
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Deuteronomy 18:9-14
9 "When you enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations. 10 "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 "For whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord; and because of these detestable things the Lord your God will drive them out before you. 13 "You shall be blameless before the Lord your God. 14 "For those nations, which you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice witchcraft and to diviners, but as for you, the Lord your God has not allowed you to do so.